New Holland T4.75

I've been looking at a new T4.75 tractor w/loader and checked TractorHouse site. I was surprised to find an extremely long list of new T4.75s, some with no prices others with heavily discounted pricing. My local NH dealer quickly discounted the tractor I'm looking at by 8K. From around 52K original list, to 44K. The prices on tractorhouse also reflect similar or greater discounts.... some up to 14K off list. What gives?? Is NH trying to dump these tractors on the North American market? Poor sales?

I"ve always looked to New Holland for hay bailers
not imported asian tractors!

Generally the tractors with prices listed on Tractorhouse are used or 2012 models. Tractors are like cars now with year models. They are priced like cars now also with a list price which the dealers discount right off the bat. I bought a new New Holland T5070 last year, dealer discounted it about $12000, most of that from NH. With the T4.75 I think NH is trying to make inroads on the Kabota & JD in the smaller tractor market, the T4.75 is 65 hp at the PTO.

My T5070 was assembled in Italy.

Case New Holland Global is predominantly owned by Fiat. The T4.75 tractors are manufactured/assembled in Ankara Turkey. Components are mostly Fiat..from the advanced diesel engines, front wheel drive axles and power reverser transmissions. They are a European tractor and not Asian. I own a European made Agco-Allis, which was made in Italy and has proven to be a good reliable tractor. The Deere 5000 e-series uses some of the same components found on a T4.75 NH or a Farmall 75C, etc.. and I own a 5000 series Deere, with "foreign" components and serves me well.

I've heard/read bad things about the late model larger NH tractors. You might need to do a little research before your purchase.

44K for a open station 4wd with loader sounds a little steep. 12-14K off list sounds about right. Tractors this size are normally in the 37-40k range. It"s simply what competition dictates. I doubt it has poor sales, but it likely has poor build quality. The later TN"s and T4000 series really don"t have the best reliability record. Can"t imagine much has changed with these tractors. You"d be better off with something like a Kubota M7040 or M7060. The M7060 has better hydraulics and 24mph road speed.

Thanks for the tip. I'll take another look at the Kubota's. I know some farmer acquaintances of mine who swear by them. I checked the Kubota WEB site, but the 7060s are not listed. However a google search turned them up. Are they shipping the 7060s??? I looked at the 7040 awhile back. but the absence of a 12 speed power reverser transmission and no e-pto was a show stopper for me. I suspect the new 7060 has both. I want to replace my 5000 series Deere with something a little more reliable/advanced/refined. I've looked at the new Deere E-Series, suffice it to say, I'm not impressed. Thanks again for the feedback... what I don't need is another high maintenance tractor.

Neighbor bought 2 new tractors; 1 NH and 1 Kubota; says any more will be Kubota. I have NH and MF, any more will be Kubota.
Drive past the NH-Fiat owned dealer and get a Kubota.
Tom

I looked on the Kubota.com website and they're not listed, but they are listed on Kubota.ca and are shipping in Canada, because the local dealer has a few. Shouldn't be too long before they ship in the US. E-540 is standard on them, according to the specs page. Saves you around 330rpm. The M7060 is available with both an 8 speed and a 12 speed.

I agree with Farmer boy.

I also will say that the 52k is the list price, or top dollar and you should be able to get for many thousand less than the "sticker price"

How many people buy cars and trucks and pay the sticker price unless it is the hot car of the month and they are selling the schitt out of them.

Kubota has engineered out initial defects in tractors much like the Japanese auto manufacturers did to automobiles in the 1970s/80s. I could write a treatise on the reasons for this, some of which are not intuitively obvious, but such is a topic for another forum.

You can expect VERY few if any initial defects with Kubota products but there is a price to pay in certain situations.

I have a B1750HST Kubota CUT, bought new in 1993. It has proven to be one of the most satisfying purchases of my life as it has required absolutely nothing aside from routine maintenance. No problems at all. Not even a fuse, light bulb or fan belt in 20 years.

One of the problems with the M60 series (85/99 at least (have not shopped 70 series)) Kubotas is the Interim Tier IV engines, which use EGR and expensive particulate filters that must be changed regularly. I do all of my own work and, after opening the hood on one recently, want nothing to do with it. Such should not be an issue for those who enjoy writing checks.

You can still get Tier III from CNH in this HP range.

I do like the M7040 but few if any are still available and the transmission is not up to todays standards.

Dean

The specs for the "Canadian" M7060 has the EPA rating put down as "Final Tier IV" but for the M9960 it's "Interim Tier VI"

My NH T4050 was also assembled in Italy. Have had a few minor problems that were all covered under warranty.

My MF 533 was assembled in Turkey. Have had a few problems with it, some of which did not manifest until the warrenty had expired on time. MF refused to cover a $750 repair (very long story) when the tractor was about 18 Mo out of warranty on time but had less than 250 hours on the clock. The problem was obviously a manufacturing defect (was a failure analysis engineer in one of my past lives) but there was no convincing the regional service rep.

My MF 2635 was assembled in India. Less than 20 hours on it so far and have had a few minor problems but nothing major. Still in warranty and watching like a hawk.

Neither MF nor NH are up to Kubota standards regarding initial defects but there are other measures of quality that most do not consider.

Dean

One thing in our favor is the Yen is down almost 30% to the Dollar. We just got a 126GX Kubota it was more than that cheaper than a 6130 Deere.