Still don't understand some people.......

NCWayne

Well-known Member
Having read the responses to my post about the guy not showing up to work on a customers machine I am stunned. As expected many of you guys understood exactly what I was talking about, but there were a few responses that blew my mind and actually defended the guy.

To those I ask this. How would you feel if you were the customer in this situation?

Before you answer let me explain a few things. While many farms will have more than one tractor to do a job there also many that don't. This makes their situation like that of most contractors whose equipment is a bit more specialized than a simple tractor. As a result they don't usually keep two of every type machine, on every site, just so they have a spare. When a rental is needed they do rent, and in this case my customer already had one rental machine on site. Unfortunately finding a telehandler with a 10,000 capacity and plumbed for a grout hog, local to every job site, and having it delievered at the last second....when you just need it for a day or two... isn't as easy, or as cheap, as many seem to think it is.

In this case I knew my customer, whom I have worked for for several years now, was calling in someone local. In fact I had suggested it to them given both my schedule and the scope of the repairs I thought they were going to need based on several phone conversations with them concerning the problem. Why pay me more time and mileage to drive to the machine than the repair itself was going to cost. In this case my mileage (and I still only charge $1.50) was around $315 just to start. Add in nearly 5 hours ride time at $60 per (and I just went up to $70 last week but hadn't officially notified them yet so I offered to do it for the old price since there was so much riding involved and they are a really good customer) for another $300. Now consider that it only took me 4 hours to do the job needed once I got there. So they basically had to pay me $615 in time and milage to do a job that actally took only $240. All that for a total of $855, for what amounts to a 4 hour job. In other words finding someone local for a simple job like that only made sense for them, and I told them as much. Now had it been a major repair they wouldn't have considered anyone local and would have instead waited on me, and spent the extra money on a rental, as they have done in the past on several occasions. They have been around long enough that they know how to use their heads and make money without wasting it for no reason.

That all said, for those that defended the mechanics actions, how would you feel if your only tractor went down on a Thursday. You had a mechanic come out to look at it, tell you what parts are needed so they can be ordered overnight, and ready, and that he'd be back on Friday to make the needed repairs. You, being a small time farmer really need to get your hay up before it rains on Saturday or Sunday because the budget is tight and you really need that hay in the barn before it gets rained on if you want make a profit off of it. Unfortunately the guy doesn't bother to show up, call, answer your call, or return your message. So, you call someone else. Unfortunately he is busy, so your just out of luck..... or you get lucky and he is already tied up for the day Friday, but says that he can be there on Saturday to get you going. You thank him and pray that the rain holds off til Sunday. The second mechainc shows up on Sat only to find that the parts the other guy said were needed were incorrect. Being the weekend the parts aren't available as the supplier is closed until Monday. As a result your hay lays on the ground through the rain. Come Monday you finally get the parts ordered next day for Tuesday and by Wednesday you just might be able to get your hay up, if it's worth messing with after laying on the ground soaking wet for several days.

Now you could have gone to the local rental house and got another tractor for several days, but they didn't have one the size you need, or that has the specialized controls for your bailer. But you got lucky and the had exactly what you needed but the cost to rent it long enough to get your hay in would cost you more than the profits you planned to make.

Remember your a small time operator with only one tractor. As a result the first mechaic felt that you probably couldn't afford to pay his bill so he thought you were unimportant to the point he couldn't even be bothered to call you in a timely manner to say he wasn't doing the job for you, or even return your calls.

Now I ask, if you were in the shoes of the customer in the situation I just described, how would you feel about the first mechainc, and how his actions effected your ability to do business and make a profit? I ask because a few of the responses to my previous post actually defended the mechanic. To that I can only say I still don't understand the way some people think...because everyone I know that has been in a simlar situation would have not an ounce of pity for mechanic number one. In fact many would happily kick his a$$ if they ever saw him again after he cost them as much downtime and money as he did.....but feel pity for him...NEVER....

Just don't understand how someone could care about a man that cost them money and time, when he didn't care enough about them to make a simple phone call...... regardless of his reason......unless it's the simple fact that it wasn't their money being dealt with here. Put the shoe on the other foot, put the drain on their wallet and I pray their thoughts would change. If not then we have fallen way further down the hill toward accepting apathy in regard to having a good work ethic than I ever imagined. Sad.......
 
I hope that first guy wasn't killed in a car accident Thursday night leaving
his wife and kids to deal with the calls for the jobs he couldn't finish.
Would make all the money and time seem piddly wouldn't it?
You've spent a lot of time complaining about him, and while I have no
sympathy for bad businessmen, unless you know why he wasn't there,
well, then you don't know.
 
I worked in and eventually owned a shop that did welding and welding repairs. There are so many reasons this could have happened you could never list them all here. I would say it's about 50/50 whether it was the mechanic's fault or the customer's. There were 2 welding shops in my town and we were great friends, you can't imagine how many times a customer would get mad at one of us and go to the other with some made up story that had no truth to it what so ever, often claims that we didn't get the work done on time. We used to meet for lunch to talk about it all the time. What I don't understand is why you are so upset about it.
 
Wayne, if that same scenario happened to ANY of the posters that where defending the first mechanic, there would be 2 pages of weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth describing the lawsuits, and BBB fillings that were going to land at that dirty SOB's door! Just remember you cant argue with a retard! Check your email I sent you one a while back about your buddies skid steer. How did that turn out?
 
You're right, I don't know what I was thinking. Clearly that mechanic needs to be drug out into the town square and beaten, then flogged, then burned at the stake, then be forced to talk to Rosie O'Donnell, then be forced to eat a bowl of cheerios that had the milk poured on yesterday, then be hung then put in prison for the rest of his life. Then we need to make sure that his kids are forced to watch Dora the Explorer til they swear they will never become mechanics. We need to cut that mechanical blood line before any more damage can be done.
 
NC Wayne: I understand your thoughts on the mechanic being unreliable but that is nothing new. I have been around equipment most of my life. There always is a cheaper guy out there working. They seem to come and go but they always are cheaper. They may have to do the repair several times but they are still great in some customer's eyes because they are cheap. Some seem to thing cheap twice/wrong is better than once higher/right.

I do not see why this is important to you??? It sounds like you knew what was wrong and where able to do a timely repair. Maybe your customer had to pay you for your travel and time but they got it fixed by someone that knows what they are doing. Part of the trouble is trying a guy, on an important repair, that they had zero track record with. If the machine is that important then bring your "A" team not the subs is my motto.

An example of this is engine machine work. There are three guys that do good work that I can take the stuff to. One is the cheapest but he always takes twice as long as he says it will take. His work is of good quality but his time management is terrible. The second guy is fair priced and not too bad on delivering timely work. The third does good work and will turn your job around in less than 24 hours usually but he is 30-40% higher than the other two.

So here is how I decide where I take the work. If I am in no hurry then the slow/cheaper guy is fine. If I want to hold a schedule but have a few days then the modestly priced guy is fine. If my feet are to the fire then pay the high guy and have the job ASAP.

How does this relate to your case??? Well the fault of this is shared by two people.

1) The customer needing the repair. If they really only had the one machine for a special use/need then they should have hired you from the get go and not looked back at the extra cost. Getting the job done in a timely manner seemed to be of a high priority in this case. 2) The local mechanic should have followed up better on the job. We may never know his reasons for blowing the job off but he should have communicated better with the customer.
 
Well... I think you answered your own question in the response.... they only called the local guy since it was a small job. There was no intention whatsoever to call the local guy if it was a big job. Does everyone think he's some kind of stuned *unt? I wouldn't drop what I was doing to go look after some one time job either. Sorry.
Mabey he should have spelled that out plainly...

but if I was using someone on a regular basis for everything else, I'd get them for this too.
If I was the other guy and had nothing to do that day; I'd go. If I had regulars to look after, I'd look after them.

Rod
 
There are two sides to every story, and you haven't heard the other side. There are a lot of possible reasons for why the other mechanic failed to show up. He could have got drunk or stoned. He could have suffered a stroke. I don't understand why you need to bad-mouth the guy, since it sounds like he's doing a good job of wrecking his own reputation without your help. Denigrating your competition does nothing to build up your own reputation.
 
NCWayne, you can't win this fight against the no-show mechanic's defenders. Kinda like arguing with Oblamer's a@@ kissers. TDF
 
Yet another bad mouthing post, this time about people who don't agree with you and cheer you on.

I agree the other mechanic should have called, but their is a third side to this story, that of the contractor. I would hazard a guess he knew the machine had a leak before it was on site. It is my experience that massive mechanical engine oil leaks don't just happen. It should probably been repaired during down time. He tried to push it farther, and created himself a bind. A lack of planning on his part does not create an emergency on the mechanics' part.
 
If it was my customer I would have went and repaired the machine.I would have given them the estimate just to show and taken care of the repair. Remember that you helped them get into this position by suggesting a local.

JMHO and I don't know the other man's story.

Vito
 
There is simply no excuse short of catastrophe for not making a simple phone call. Where I grew up, that was called courtesy. And, courtesy was to be extended even to those who did not deserve it.

I spent most of my life as a mechanic, and would never have left a critical job hanging. Even the most irritating customer deserves to be told the reason for absence from, or refusal to complete a job.
 
Are you sure he didn't call? Lots of people make up stories like that to cover up their own mistakes.
 
Wayne;
IF your side of the story is 100% fact; then I agree the other guy should have atleast made a phone call.

But I learned at a early age there is usually 3 sides to every story.
Your side
My side
and the TRUTH.

In your mind you feel that you have 100% of the facts and the whole truth so I can understand your feelings.
But stop and think about it for a second.
You really only have ONE side of the story (the customers)
It would not be the first time a customer has given a line of bull to make someone feel sorry for them; give up their Saturday; and drive 210 miles (315/1.50) to do a repair they most likely knew needed done before they even draged the broken piece of machine over there.
 
the responses to this post( both positive and negative )have certainly been entertaining. Thats all I will say. Bill
 
Most of the business people around here don't return calls and never show up when they say.That's the norm.I'm waiting for a plumber that was supposed to be here last week,an electrican that said he would be here last Friday, and a guy that was supposed to fix a field tile last week.I pay in cash when the job is done.They just don't care.
 
Jon that's brutal! No one should ever have to talk too, look at, or think about Rossie o'Donnell! That post wasn't for you personally, but for the long list of guys on here that raise holy hel! about poor service/whats the world coming to when a machine shop, garage, etc, etc won't drop everything to turn them a 5$ bushing, or fix their weed whacker they bought from the competition, cause it was 3$ cheaper!
 
I am not trying to be offensive, but you are judging people by your own standards. I do it too.
You need to allow other people to be who they are and you be you.
Water seeks it own level. Some people rise to the occasion and others walk away.
Some people do what needs to be done and others only give enough, and no more.
The "My way or the highway" might be ok if you are the boss. But even then, that can cause a business to fail.
SDE
 
Oops I posted up farther instead of here. As far as rosie goes it was either that or 10 years solitary confinement with a tv that only shows "The View". lol
 
To me. If you say you are going to be on a job. You had better be there. That is the way I handle my jobs. If I tell you 8AM I will be there at 7:45 AM.

If something comes up. I call the customer in plenty of time. So he can find another mechanic to do the work.I never take on a job if I feel that I can not do it properly.
 
So what is your stake in this deal? Seems like your awful worked up over a deal that should be between a customer and the person he is dealing with. I myself have enough things to deal with that I don't need to be involved between two other peoples dealings. All you heard is the customers story and what he wants you to know about it. Seems like your basing all your opinions on that. Lot's of things could have happened between them that you may not may not be aware of. That all said I personally know it is a problem with people showing up when they say they will. It happens all the times with sub contractors. There is always something more important than your job that has to get done before they can get to you it seems.
 
Must be a union situation, since 75% of the effort is spent defending the 5% of the work force that doesn't work.
 

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