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New Ram V6

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Rdandersom

03-16-2013 13:28:38




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Has anybody here tried the new Dodge Ram pickup with the V6 engine?What do you think?The ads claim ridiculously good fuel economy.My Dakota with the 4.9 V8 is killing me on fuel.I ran a Ranger 4cyl manual for years and never dreamed I would be buying this much gas.




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jammison

03-18-2013 16:50:09




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to James22, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeDalet,....are you feeling warm smoke blowing up where the sun don't shine? He must make a lot more than most teenagers....or maybe he is talking about his daddies company fleet as his own? :twisted:



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oldtanker

03-18-2013 12:01:19




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Not in denial. I've owned vehicles sense 71. I've worked as a mechanic. But seeing as I'm supposed to believe you and not what I can get from places like JD Powers I guess there is only one way to prove you are right.

So that I can make a decision on just how good, or bad the Fiat Ram is, without bias, you buy one and provide it for me to drive for 5 years. If I have to pay for it I'm apt to be more critical of it when (when not if) it has warranty issues.

And just how many of the others have you owned?
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G1355

03-18-2013 14:28:13




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-18-2013 12:01:19  
And have had dodge from the 70s and 80s, and liked those to. Still wanna buy a 12 valve cummins in a regular cab d250 or w250 and restore it. Really like those



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G1355

03-18-2013 14:09:18




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-18-2013 12:01:19  
Had a 2004 gmc Sierra 2500, no problems, a 2001 f250, came factory brand new with no head gasket, wouldn't fix it under warranty when it should of been fixed, a 1998 Chevy 2500, and two ford f150s a 02 and a 04, both had a 5.4 and got terrible gas mileage. The Chevy, gmc was way better than ford, but the dodge is still my number one pick, all were brand new. All the gmc and Cherie's always had minor stuff covered on warranty, such as u joints, had one axle seal, water pump, and other little stuff, the dodges have been pretty trouble free to say the least.

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Hay_Man

03-18-2013 17:03:17




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-18-2013 14:09:18  
"came factory brand new with no head gasket, wouldn't fix it under
warranty when it should of been fixed"

No head gasket. Really?

Wouldn't fix it under warranty? Really?

Here now, Here now.



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oldtanker

03-18-2013 17:20:00




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Hay_Man, 03-18-2013 17:03:17  
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Yea I didn't bother calling him on that one. Ever been to a vehicle assembly plant? Once they are far enough along the fill the cooling system and pressure test it before they start it. Then when the vehicle rolls off the line it's test run and dynoed before it's considered ready to ship. I'd like to see one get out of the engine plant (they test run and pressure test them there too) and the assembley plant without a head gasket.

G1355 what part of the long warranty don't you understand? They don't put that much warrantey protection on them to help the customer. They do that to get the customer to buy the vehicle. Most often the vehicle with the longest warranty is the one with the most problems. Most likely cause yer gonna need it and it's the only way to get folks to buy em. Did you know that on the average vehicle if the engine and tranny make it 8,000 miles they will be long out of warranty before they have a major failure? That's why most of the time buying the extended warranty is a waste of money.
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Dalet

03-18-2013 16:36:23




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-18-2013 14:09:18  
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How old are you? 2 Brand new pickups in 2004? Really?



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W_B

03-18-2013 10:13:51




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
FIAT = Fix It Again, Tony



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oldtanker

03-17-2013 19:21:41




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
What? It can drive one wheel up on a ramp? Ford can do that too. So can Nissan, Toyota, Honda and GM.

Got a local family here. 1/2 is BTO farmers and the other half is into earth moving from small to medium. They all drive F250/350 trucks. Often see them with small dozers, skidsteers and other smaller equipment, livestock trailers, the big gooseneck type, flatbeds, pulling wagons and implements into construction sites and farm fields. So just what makes the Ford incapable of doing a job? Guess I better run over and tell them boys that they can't do that with those trucks. G1355 says so :lol: :lol: :lol: .

Guess it's a good thing for Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan and Honda that 80% of the truck buyers in the US are too stupid to know that FIAT is best :roll: tooo bad for FIAT :lol: and all this knowledge from our resident expert G1355 :shock: .

Know whats really funny G1355? I don't know anyone who uses a truck to work with that owns a RAM other than a few online people I talk to. Every RAM owner I know, face to face kinda know, owns em cause they think they are cool or cause they got em used cheap. They may even use em to haul their boat to the lake in the summer. But most often just used as a daily driver.

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G1355

03-17-2013 19:38:36




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-17-2013 19:21:41  
No the powerwagon has 3 inches more clearance than any other 2500 along with a unhook able swaybar so the front axle moves 18 inches, no other truck can do that along with a warn winch, and dual locking differantials not offered on any other truck. Lets see a f250 or 2500 Chevy compete, rock climbing or mudding, you'd have to spend 10,000 on upgrades and it wouldn't be covered on warranty like the powerwagon, obviously you don't know what a powerwagon is, it isn't a 7400 dollar option for the decals.

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oldtanker

03-17-2013 20:23:33




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No I will admit I didn't know that. And if I were in the market for a new truck that's one option I wouldn't want and couldn't care less about. So that's of little difference to me. I don't rock climb and I don't mud. A truck to me is a tool. It helps me get something done. My play time is spent reloading and shooting. So obviously I don't care what a Powerwagon is. To me it's a guy who is trying to compensate for something. One of my SILs is into that stuff and he thinks it makes him a man. What makes him a man is how protective he is of my grnad daughter and daughter and how hard he works to make sure that not only is a roof over their heads and food on the table but that they can afford things like toys and jacked up trucks.

Little history for you. IN the mid 70s the US Army bought Powerwagons. Some were equiped with an extra 24 volt alternator to power vehicle mount radios and all were fitted with black out drive lights. The Army had nothing but troubles with them. Front axles and trannies were the worst. By 83 they were being replaced with GM/Chevies. They still had some of the Chevy's and GM's in 96 when I retired. Our support maintanance company, E CO 701st, got theirs in 75. Picked them up a depot in Germany and drove them back to the Stuggart area. Out of 20 brand new trucks only 12 drove in under their own power (keep in mind that before the wall came down you could cross West Germany in less than 8 hours by road). Add in young soldiers who didn't have to pay for the gas or repairs.......well you can guess the rest.

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G1355

03-17-2013 20:30:44




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-17-2013 20:23:33  
Well times have changed, uncle has a 1977 powerwagon and still hauls cattle very weak with it, and she still runs great, the new ones are nice for work or play, your a Chevy man like I'm a dodge guy



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oldtanker

03-17-2013 20:44:45




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Nope, not a Chevy man. Not a Ford man. Just a man. I don't need a vehicle to make me a man. I'll buy a Chevy or a Ford. Don't make much difference to me as long as it gets me there and back without a side trip to the dealer. Of all the vehicles I've owned through the years the worst was a MOPAR. Of all the vehicles I've owned under warranty I've had one repair on a Chevy. The cruise went out at about 150 miles. Was a 30 min fix while I waited. Last 3 Fords I've owned all went between 212000 and 245000 miles and were still a daily driver when traded. Currently on a Chevy Suburban with 285000. Had to replace the tranny at 258000. FIL drove a Ford car (lincoln town car) 380000 without major repair when he finally parked it.

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G1355

03-17-2013 20:59:02




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-17-2013 20:44:45  
Well do you have a truck? 1500 or 2500, If you do and when you trade it in and you get a new truck, consider the dodge ram, trust me you won't be disappointed, but really if you buy a new truck anytime, test drive one and consider them. I think you will really like it even if you've had bad experiences.



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oldtanker

03-18-2013 07:29:15




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Actually I'm in the market for another truck. My current truck is on it's last legs.

But with the price of a new one I'm going used. Dodge/Fiat/Ram isn't even being considered. And yea, I'd be disappointed, in myself to start with for buying a FIAT and for buying into the hype. If someone gave me a Fiat Ram I'd drive it....to the nearest dealer and trade it on a truck I could trust.

I'm in the same boat with tractors. I have a couple of Fords and IH's. If I were buying new none of my money would be going to FIAT. I'd be trying to keep as much of my money in the US as possible.

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G1355

03-18-2013 08:45:42




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-18-2013 07:29:15  
Well guess your missing out, you won't get to know what a dependable truck is, I'll keep dodging ahead., and you know what they say if you can't beat them join them, so you should be joining the ram trucks.



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oldtanker

03-18-2013 09:53:04




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Look it up Dodge=AJ: to avoid

But thats a moot point, the RAM is a FIAT.

Heck my Suburban pulls livestock and other trailers, hay wagons, hauls sacks of feed and seed. 285000 miles, tranny at 258000, alternator and starter at about 265000. You going to tell me a RAM is more dependable than that? LOL one guy I know who got a FIAT RAM diesel about 8 months ago is joking about how he just schedules an appointment with the dealer once a month for his monthly warranty repair. Nothing major but he's had it in about 6 times so far and that truck never gets used hard or leaves the pavement. Sure sounds like a typical FIAT to me.

Nope I want something that will start and drive when I need it to. So I'm looking for a Ford or Chevy gasser. Don't want the diesel up here. Too many cold weather issues when it's below zero.

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G1355

03-18-2013 11:44:59




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-18-2013 09:53:04  
Sorry your in denial, only problem I"ve had is a five cent heater fan resistor, that they put on outside for me and took two minutes, and it was free under warranty, that"s nice when you have a 5 year 100,000 mile warranty, when the rest run out 40,000 miles short, if I have problems they"ll still be free, no cost to me.dont know why the dodge name is such a sore subject, let me know when the truck says fiat. Even if they own part, won"t be on the truck, and if the truck doesn"t say it, it isn"t one.

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26Red

03-17-2013 18:42:18




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
There was a review of the new ram 3.6L v-6 with the 8 speed transmission on www.pickuptrucks.com. Mpg unloaded was 23.



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JRosenberger

03-17-2013 17:53:59




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Id like to add a few things to the discussion. Hopefully my experience will help clear a few things up for prospective buyers.

I owned a Dodge 2500 w/ the hemi engine. Bought it with 20k, traded it with 80k. It was an 04 model year - regular cab long bed 4x4 with the 5 speed automatic and 4.10 gears. 265/70/17 rubber.

The best mileage the truck EVER got was 13.1 - thats unloaded, southbound on I-57 with a tailwind. I pulled a Big Tex 22.5k gooseneck trailer with the truck. With a 15k load the truck regularly returned 7mpg.
The hemi is a very good engine, but it is not the best towing engine. It does not have the low end grunt like a large cubic inch gas engine would. Have to keep the RPMs up to move the load.
The engine was using almost 3 full quarts of oil per oil change interval by the time I traded the truck. It had been used for farm work and it hauled heavy loads.
To a buyer who tows occasionally, a hemi powered Dodge truck might be great. To a buyer who plans to tow heavy loads daily, perhaps consider a diesel or be prepared to trade pickups often.

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oldtanker

03-17-2013 13:03:25




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
LOL of course they have the best warranty around. When you build an inferior product you gotta have that better warrenty to sell it.

LOL and it truly is a FIAT RAM. Just cause some CEO is being told what to say by the parent company hardly makes it true.

Best truck? According to JD Powers including both 12/ and 3/4 ton the Chevy'GMC HD 2500 rates as the best truck.

Also wanna know how come when I Google Dodge Ram most of the stuff that pops up is WARRANTY ISSUES and how to fight FIAT with the lemon laws in some states!

G1355 you are right, at least almost right about 2 things you posted.
1. Yea you sure would rather push a Fiat Ram than drive a Ford but that don't say much. I'd rather drive pink motor scooter that ran than push anything!

2. The comment about no substitute for cubic inches was true until the echoboost technology came out. Use to be to really build HP and torque you had to have the CID to back it up.

Rick

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G1355

03-17-2013 16:18:14




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-17-2013 13:03:25  
Until next time Rick, I'm sure you'll be getting me going on the next dodge post to. By the way there still a dodge, lol



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farmer boy

03-17-2013 11:33:19




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
To answer your question directly, no I have never driven a Ram V6, so I don't know the real world mileage. I don't beleive that any truck can realistically get over 25mpg, due simply to their design. At best you're going to take 30hp to propel the truck down the road. With a diesel at 60mph, that will net you 30mpg. With a gas, you're going to get 24mpg. 15hp/gal/hr and 12hp/gal/hr respectively. Direct inject may net you a bit better, but not much. If you don't NEED the truck, keep what you have and buy a diesel Jetta or Golf. If the savings can pay for a new truck, they'll pay for a new car even faster, even if that car costs a bit more. 60mpg vs. 25+- at best. Better yet, buy a used Jetta, and save even more money.

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G1355

03-17-2013 10:43:59




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  

Here's a picture I took at the stop sign today, figured since no one believes me, it's a 2012 dodge powerwagon 2500 4x4 with the 5.7 hemi, and yes I do take it quiet easy on it, this is just everyday driving mpg.



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chucksoliver77

03-17-2013 12:33:24




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-17-2013 10:43:59  
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the mileage on that dash doesn't mean a thing, my ecoboost will read 50 mpg after reset going down a hill. I did some reading on the 2012 power wagon and they were Quote appalled by the single digit mileage when towing 10,000 lbs. and the best they got was 12 mpg highway. Chuck



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G1355

03-17-2013 13:46:26




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to chucksoliver77, 03-17-2013 12:33:24  
And I can pull 15,000 before the mileage is much under 10, I don't keep my foot in it like most people. And there's no ford gonna do what a powerwagon will do, it will go through the steep and deep.



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oldtanker

03-17-2013 17:29:04




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What's that? Ford's not going to stop at every dealership for repiars? :o
Can you please provide proof, from an independant site, not including Ram forum sites to prove that statement? Reviews like from car and driver don't count. All they do is drive a vehicle for a few days and write a review based on how much ad space the maker bought. Lets say by some place that did a real test over several months running, empty, loaded and trailering.

Rick

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G1355

03-17-2013 17:55:39




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Prove what, the powerwagon is the most capable 3/4 ton truck on the market. Only truck that can rock climb, and do the dirty work, what's there to prove, let's see a ford f250 factory do this.

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G1355

03-17-2013 13:43:11




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to chucksoliver77, 03-17-2013 12:33:24  
Ya when I reset it and go down a hill I have had it over 70, but this reading hasn't been reset over 500 miles.



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farmer boy

03-17-2013 11:24:38




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-17-2013 10:43:59  
Those mpg meters are known to be optimistic, but aren't usually out by more than 10%, so at worst you're averaging 15.1mpg on that 306 miles. You're still not comparing apples to apples. The man wanted a truck that could acheive good mileage. Any turck with a 4.56 gear set isn't going to acheive that. The Eco-Boost can be had with 3.55 or 3.73 gears and can average over 20mpg. It's good that you're happy with your truck, and it seems to serve you well. Even with 4.56 gears, your truck isn't going to 'play' with 25,000lb gcw. It may handle it OK, but 'play ' is a bit much.

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G1355

03-17-2013 13:41:26




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to farmer boy, 03-17-2013 11:24:38  
Well when I figure it with paper and pencil miles divide by gallons it always comes out with in .5 of the reading on the screen.



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farmer boy

03-17-2013 13:16:53




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to farmer boy, 03-17-2013 11:24:38  
I thought you got 16.8mpg over 306 miles. Just found out DTE means 'distance till empty' The newest vehicle I drive is a 2006 Corolla, a very basic car. Not use to all this computer stuff.



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G1355

03-17-2013 16:22:30




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to farmer boy, 03-17-2013 13:16:53  
Thought it was destination time ended but you could be right, should have a 28 gallon tank, was an option of 34 or 28 and I think this one has a 28, something most powerwagons have them to be lighter while mudding, rock climbing not sure, so 16.8 is probebly pretty close at around 3/4 a tank



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Ferd

03-17-2013 09:25:12




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Kind of funny - I counted over 40 responses and, just skimming through them, I didn't notice one that directly answered your question.



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Hay_Man

03-17-2013 08:18:22




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to gwstang, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Wasn't the old "Hemi" just the design of the head? A hemispherical (dome) combustion chamber? The spark plug set in the middle of the 2 valves that were set in at an angle because of the dome shaped chamber, all a design of the head? Hence known as hemi-head......I'm just trying to remember back when the dragster rails were running them.....



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Detmurds

03-17-2013 07:52:19




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My brother just got a new ram,..but with the V8,..I asked him, "why did you buy a Fiat?" ....Ford first, Ford always!



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G1355

03-17-2013 10:12:35




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Detmurds, 03-17-2013 07:52:19  
Jesus was a ford guy he walked everywhere he went, I wouldn't take a ford Asa gift, I'd rather push a dodge than drive a ford



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farmer boy

03-17-2013 07:16:49




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Don't buy a truck if you want good mileage. Buy a diesel Volkswagon Jetta and use your pickup only when you need it. 60mpg vs 15mpg. If you want to have a pickup and get good mileage, but a '94-'98 dodge with a Cummins or an early Duramax, which should manage you low 20's. If you need better than that, buy the Jetta. Realistically, no truck will get you over 25mpg.



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G1355

03-17-2013 10:11:39




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to farmer boy, 03-17-2013 07:16:49  
That's true, Larry the cable guy says dont buy a truck for gas mileage either



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Rdandersom

03-17-2013 07:15:28




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Didn"t mean to start an arguement guys.My only reason for asking was that a dealer quoted a price with nothing down where the projected fuel savings would make the payments.This was a single cab shortbed 2 wheel drive V6 with the 8 speed automatic.(stick no longer available)I"m really not a Dodge guy my 3 Rangers were the ones I liked best so I guess I am a Mazda guy.



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G1355

03-17-2013 10:13:31




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It will be a good truck, you won't be disappointed.



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JRosenberger

03-16-2013 22:48:39




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Ecoboost and Hemi are both light duty engines.

Had a Hemi in a '04 2500 Ram. Bought the truck with 20k. Was using oil pretty good by 80k - down the road it went.
I will say the Hemi did everything I asked it to do, but it really had to work at it. Ecoboost would not have survived. NEITHER engine will live to 200k if they have to earn it.



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G1354

03-16-2013 23:57:03




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to JRosenberger, 03-16-2013 22:48:39  
The hemi will last 200,000 my neighbor has one with more than that and has been close to trouble free. All depends how you treat it



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Jeff B.

03-16-2013 22:39:57




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Is it an automatic transmission? Never will be as efficient as a stick. Of course, mileage depends on how you drive them, but that dodge has lots more horses than the ranger. Your gas mileage is going into the passing lane, lol.



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oldtanker

03-16-2013 20:38:47




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Well you can brag on those Fiat Hemi's all you want. I'd never buy one. Just for the heck of it while I was in Baxter MN (found bricks of .22 at 18.98 a brick) the other day I drove through the employee parking areas of several dealerships to include the FIAT one with the new RAMs setting out front. I saw 2, that's right 2, MOPAR verhicles in the parking areas. Makes me wonder why all the mechanics are not driving em if they are so great.

The problem here is you love them things. And you just can't help trying to force your opinion down everyones throat. And you just have to prove your point. I've own one MOPAR and worked as a mechanic. I will never own another. You can never convince me that they are any good. I could sit here for hours and tell you horror stories on some of the crap I've worked on Ford and GM included.
And now that Fiat owns the majority share and is trying to buy out the rest, well lets not go down that road. I really believe that FIAT will milk what they can from Chrysler then spin it off or close it down. They didn't want it to make money from the Chrysler line up, they wanted a existing dealer network to try yet again to market FIAT cars here in the US.

FIAT didn't do much for US sales with Fiat-Allis, I think in the long run they are going to be bad for CASE/NH and think that they are the final nail in the MOPAR coffin.

Only reason I reply to your post is to get you going.

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-16-2013 20:38:47  
Oh I know you love getting me going, the dodge ram aren"t gonna die, they will be around forever, along with the case new holland, and I will continue supporting them with a passion.



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-16-2013 23:59:37  
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Don't you mean the FIAT RAM? FIAT seems to forget to call em Dodge in the ads? Fiat owns 52% so that makes em a FIAT. Heck they ain't really been a Dodge sense Daimler owned em. You can call em Dodge all you want to but when the owners drop that name...............

If you pay any attention to posts on here some guys have been complaning about parts availability from CaseNH fr older tractors. Is the hand writing on the wall? Seems they want to forget IH too.

That's the whole thing. CASENH and Chyrsler wouldn't be the 1st companies that FAIT hasn't been knid to.
You really should spend some time overseas. Don't take very long to learn that folks in other countries don't think the way we do and that sometimes they allow pride/national pride to affect business decisions.

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-17-2013 00:47:42  
As said on the earlier post, Fred Diaz the president said, even if they don't say dodge, they will always be a dodge, I think he word means more than yours.



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G1355

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
This website talks about the ecoboost and the 5.0 vs the hemi, and when pulling a lot the ecoboost uses more fuel than the hemi, not to mention big loads require big cubic inches, which the hemi has, and said hands down more power, while your getting a proven hemi, and the ecoboost isn't a proven engine yet.

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farmer boy

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-16-2013 20:17:45  
At this point, the ecoboost has basically proven itself. Most of their problems were early on, not with the engine, but the transmission pump, based on what I could find on google. Secondly, your comparsion link is written by Dodge. Some of the information(on the diesel engine) is based on the fact that they didn"t test the latest engine, and a win is basically assumed. They mention the 5.0L at the beginning of the comparsions but then only compare the 3.5 and 5.7. 5.0 must not have done that bad. Look at the torque curves for the Eco-Boost. It not only has more torque, but peaks sooner at 2,500rpm. the Hemi peaks at around 3,900rpm. Which one is more useful for towing? I have no doubt that the Hemi tows well, but I also have no doubt that the Eco-Boost tows well. I"m not a fan of dodge trucks, nor am I a fan of comparsion reports written by Dodge that obviously favour Dodge. Add to that, the only thing Dodge ever had going for it was the Cummins engine. In a 1/2 ton that isn"t available. On top of that, the already low quality Ram is now being engineered by Fiat. Nobody knew they could get worse, but somehow they managed.

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to farmer boy, 03-17-2013 07:13:01  
That's funny, the have a diesel in the 1500 next year, and there the best truck on the road, hold resale the best to. Oh and to mention the 2500 and bigger are rated 3 tons more rowing than the ford or Chevy, and they offer the best warranty to top it off, and if you get a larmie or larmie longhorn, they have the nicest I interior of any truck hands down no comparison.



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-17-2013 10:16:44  
I just took it for granted that you wree telling the truth. Have you looked at Ram"s warranty. 3 year 36,000mile full warranty, 5 year 100,000mile powertrain warranty and outer panel perforation warranty. 3 year inner panel perforation warranty. Chevy is the same but has a 6 year 100,000 mile perforation warranty. Ford"s powertrain warranty isn"t quite as good. 5 year 60,000 miles. The rest is the same as Dodge.

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Here I thought we were talking about trucking , not Playing in the mud and rocks!! In that case, skip the PU and get an old used Jeep that will be purpose built vs a compromise and will kick the P-Wagons arse up one side and down the other everyday, including Sunday!!!



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G1355

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to jammison, 03-18-2013 07:08:17  
To bad a jeep can't pull a fifth wheel trailer and rock climb.



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farmer boy

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-17-2013 10:16:44  
I have never noticed any better resale on Dodges. That may be regional though. You rarely see people/businesses that depend on their trucks in a Dodge. Ford is by far the most common, followed by Chevy/GMC, and in a very distance third Dodge. Of all the people I know that own a Dodge and actually use it as a truck, they ALL own a diesel. I know some people that own gas Dodge's, but they use them as a DD and towing their camper and boat occasionally. Warranty is simply to entice more people to buy a Dodge. They(FIAT) know what their main downfall is(reliability), and try to get by it by offering a better warranty. The PowerWagon has a gvwr of 8510lbs. Chevy did better than that 25 years ago. A Powerwagon has a curb weight of 6650lbs. That leaves you with an actual 1860lbs of payload(legally). Both the Ford and Chevy have a GWVR of 9,900lbs, giving them a payload of over 1.5tons. The PowerWagon has a towing capacity of 10,200 lbs. Ford is at 15,300lb towing. 3790 payload. Chevy is around the same for towing and payload as Ford. Ford is over 10000 cheaper, Chevy is 7000 cheaper. When you actually sit down and take a good hard look at the numbers(all the numbers), the Dodge doesn't really look that good.(not that it ever did)

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-17-2013 10:16:44  
"3 tons more rowing than the ford or Chevy"

HaHaHa. Good one! I guess rowing is what you would do when It won't cross the creek...?



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
I don't know. 8 speeds scares me., seems like more to go wrong potentially.



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DaninKansas

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Dan50, 03-16-2013 18:24:15  
Considering Dodge never did get their 4 speed automatics right an 8 speed is probably twice as likely to go bad.



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Jeff B.

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to DaninKansas, 03-16-2013 20:52:40  
DAN50, whether you like it or not, you don't have a choice if you buy new trucks. Just like a computer, technology marches on, including transmissions. I sell lots of gears & parts for 6spd transmissions now, versus 5spd stuff tapering off slowly. My future market is the 8spds. And 6 speed automatics are mainstream production now, and getting more sophisticated than ever. There are more CVT's than ever before. Each new transmission design has common failures, but if I were to put it in a nutshell, I'd quote Scotty from Star Trek..." The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." LMAO !!!!!

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
i have one of the last that you could get with a manual trans. regular cab, full bed, 2wd,3.55 rearend. gets about 25-27 highway, so their claims are probably in the ballpark. -john-



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Rick Kr

03-16-2013 15:32:44




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Dodge achieves that mileage with a short box 2wd work truck, no options. That way the truck is as light as possible. The truck also has a new 8 speed automatic transmission which helps a lot.

Remember this line... "EPA estimated mileage" This is very important. Automotive manufacturers cannot technically self certify their mileage, but can use their own estimates by running the EPA test. The EPA has went back and make OEMs correct their OPTIMISTIC mileage predictions. Hyundia/Kia are in a class action lawsuit right now because of their erronous claims.

To your question, I bet that Ram truck is pretty close. Another thing to remember, most people dont drive like the EPA test so dont expect 25mpg unless you baby it.

My truck stickers 21mpg on the highway. I can get 19+ with it. This is driving very easy at 65mph. crew cab 4x4, 5.3 Chevy. It use to get almost 21mpg before some dummy put a lift kit and bigger tires on it. I look at the dummy every morning in the mirror.

My two cents.
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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rick Kr, 03-16-2013 15:32:44  
I had an 07 Silverado classic (left-over 06 model) 4x4 half ton v6. Don"t know what the rating was but if I ran tow mode and and could hold a steady 60-63 MPH I could get 21-22, one tank I hit 23+, over 4 days of driving.



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Blackhole49

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to scotc, 03-16-2013 18:19:11  
I don't believe you can get an accurate estimate for one tank of gas. Just when the pump shuts off make a big difference. Last winter I drove my 08 Silverado to Florida and back (from MI). 3,500 miles in all different conditions (mostly hwy.). Averaged 17.9 mpg. I think that is a better estimate. That said, you can have your Ram and parts that are twice that for Ford or Chevy. And yes, you WILL NEED parts.

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rick Kr, 03-16-2013 15:32:44  
Yes, remember the EPA test cycle uses very conservative driving.
The highway cycle uses 75 F summer blend fuel, acceleration not to exceed 3.3 mph per second (about 18 seconds 0-60). Top speed must not exceed 60 mpg, cycle average speed about 48 mph.

If you accelerate faster or drive faster, your mpg will be less.



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dblair

03-16-2013 15:07:27




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
are you referring to the new v6 diesels ? they have a lot of power . 420 ft lbs of torque and 240 hp .
This post was edited by Dblair at 15:08:53 03/16/13.



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03-16-2013 13:36:08




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to Rdandersom, 03-16-2013 13:28:38  
Get you an F 150 v6 Eco Boost if you really want to see gas millage and not give up performance.



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03-16-2013 16:05:00




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to jm., 03-16-2013 13:36:08  
I second this....I dont think anyone will come close to the horse power and milage that the for v6 eco boost gets..just saying...Bob



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G1355

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to molinebob, 03-16-2013 16:05:00  
I'd get the hemi in the 1500 before the ecoboost, way more power and you still get around 20-22mpg with the new 8 speed and the right gears, and the hemi would walk circles around the ecoboost with the 395hp



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-16-2013 16:51:02  
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Really? I have a friend who now drives a Ford because his Dodge 1500, HEMI wouldn't pull his Featherlight aluminum horse trailer empty in OD and only got about 10 MPG with that empty trailer on. He got the truck new and 6 months later it was gone.

Look at the torque cruve on the V8 compaired to the EcoBoost. Torque is what makes an engine pull, not HP. I know you love your FIAT/RAM HEMI's but there are other considerations besides having the HEMI tag on the truck. I myself never run an engine over about 3K unless I really have to. Now we will not talk about how many RPM's I ran my 68 GTO at when I was 19 but I loved making that 400 scream!

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03-16-2013 19:58:41




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-16-2013 19:00:52  
The guy on this ford website, "stdan" is the name he goes by on here says he's lucky if he gets 9-10 mpg with 6500 pounds with the ecoboost, and its a ford website, gaurentee a hemi is far ahead of that



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farmer boy

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-16-2013 19:58:41  
Do you understand the point of the ecoboost? It's not to get better mileage while towing. The point is to be able to get the mileage of a naturally aspirated 3.5 and have to power of a V-8 when under full boost. Not only that, but being able to run ultra-lean because of the direct injection while in a low-load situation. The Hemi MAY do a bit better than 9-10 mpg while towing 6500lbs, but not much better. I have managed about 12mpg(10mpgU.S) towing some where in that weight range with a 5.0L Chevy. All trucks get about the same mileage, except diesels. On a good day a 1995-2006 diesel(minus the 6.5) could probably get around 14-15 mpg towing up to around 5000lbs. A gas will never touch those numbers.

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G1355

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to oldtanker, 03-16-2013 19:00:52  
Might of got 10mpg, torque does pull, but the right gears help a ton to, same gears in the ford and dodge the hemi will outpull the ecoboost especially with the 8 speed hands down



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03-16-2013 18:10:36




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-16-2013 16:51:02  
It may be rated more, but in real life the little eco-boost will run circles around it. The eco-boost has torque down low, not at 4600. pulls like a diesel. try one! Vic



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G1355

03-16-2013 18:55:30




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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to VicS, 03-16-2013 18:10:36  
Trust me I've drove one, I drive a hemi every day and the hemi is way more than the ecoboost, that's why they run the hemi in the 2500 to, try a hemi there wild.the ecoboost didn't hold a candle to the hemi. The 5.7 hemi will outpull out haul the ecoboost any day of the week hands down, no comparison.



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molinebob

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-16-2013 18:55:30  
Dodge dosent even make a true hemi anymore, they were gonna lose the rights to the hemi name so they started using the name again, do some research on it and find out for yourself, the new "HEMI" isnt even close to the old "HEMI" All it was in the old days was the heads and combustion chamber, just a different shape...Fords eco boost will outperform any chevy or dodge v8 on the market plus get better mileage...and its a v6

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farmer boy

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to molinebob, 03-16-2013 19:05:51  
The 3.5 will come close to both the Ford and Chevy 6.2, but will not out-do it. As far as the 5.7, numbers don't lie. The Eco-Boost has more torque at lower rpm's and will out pull the Hemi, no question about it.



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to farmer boy, 03-17-2013 08:26:11  
If its so close why isn't it offered in the f250?????? And the hemi has everything Chevys 6.2 has, I've compared in real life against a Chevy 6.2 but haven't compared to the ford 6.2



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G1355

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to molinebob, 03-16-2013 19:05:51  
And it's a 3rd generation hemi, hope there not the same, they improved them a lot over the years.



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to molinebob, 03-16-2013 19:05:51  
Well if its so powerful and fuel efficient why isn't it in the f250? Like the hemi its in the 1500 and 2500. I have a cousin that has a 2011 f150 ecoboost and we have a 2012 dodge powerwagon, I had a 375 buschel seed tender and he had a 300 bushel seed tender and I passed him like he was standing still. And I had an extra 75 bushels of soybeans behind me. So no the ecoboost will not outperform the hemi. We've had a real life experience with it.

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-16-2013 19:24:11  
Come on. Did you both stop, and have a real drag race. No-body ever looses a street race. Case in point. I was driving a F250 with a 5.4 pulling a backhoe leaving town, there is a fair hill. A friend with a load of big round bales on a 30 ft trailer, saw me coming, and thought he needed to get ahead of me, because he didn't want to follow me up the hill. But was so much traffic he couldn't. Well I saw him and I started getting on it. I screamed that little 5.4 over that hill and and never held him up at-all. He has been telling everyone that I have the powerfullest gas truck in the county. That it out pulled his diesel. It was just I saw him coming and anticipated.

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G1355

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to VicS, 03-16-2013 20:38:25  
Oh, I drag race him all the time and beat him, he loves to brag about how fast and powerful that ecoboost is, I think it's funny when I load up 10 round bales and the s650 bobcat, and its around 25000 pounds and he tries todo the same thing, and the dodge will play with it, while he has a hard time getting to 60, I'm long gone, fact of the matter is it takes cubic inches to pull and the ecoboost isn't got them to spare.

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farmer boy

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I'm also quite curious what kind of mileage you got while weighing 25,000lbs.



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to farmer boy, 03-17-2013 08:50:22  
Around 8, and the hemi pulls 25,000 just fine, try one out in the powerwagon with the 4:56 rearend there wild.



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-17-2013 10:20:25  
Now we're talking about 2 different things. You're talking about a 3/4 ton with 4.56 gears vs a 1/2 ton Eco-Boost with 3.55 or 3.73 gears. A 5.7 with 4.56 gears will NEVER EVER break 15mpg.Don't argue with me on this, there are reports all over the internet about 12-13 being average. An Eco-boost with 3.73 gears will get 20+mpg and have all sorts of power. This guy wants a truck that will get good mileage. A powerwagon does not fit the bill. A regular cab 4x4 Eco-Boost costs around 30-32,000. The Powerwagon is 48,000 base price. You can get a 6spd manual with a Cummins for aobut $1,000 more. No argument about that being more truck than the Eco-Boost.

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Ya I know its more truck, and the powerwagon option is 7400 and the cummins is 6500, and look at the picture above, I can get16-17 all day long diving it 60 taking it easy on it, if you keep your foot in all the time, it probebly does get 13 but that's not what I get or how I drive. I know what I get mpg, I drive one every day, and have figured it with paper and pencil to.



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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-17-2013 00:05:40  
If your going to tell stories, you're going to have to make them believable. A 2012 diesel could hardly play with 25,000lbs, let alone a Hemi. The only replacement for displacement is technology. The Eco-Boost has both direct injection, turbos, and extra tuning. Numbers don't lie. The Eco-Boost has more torque at lower rpm's, and a flatter torque curve. Ford has "hands-down" the best 1/2 ton on the market today. Chevy is a joke with their 14 year old 5.3L engine. At the end of the day, it's still a Dodge, and to make a bad thing even worse, FIAT owns it now. I'm a Chevy guy and I would consider buying a Ford, the only way I would ever consider buying Dodge is if it had both a Cummins and a manual transmission. I really don't think I could buy a '94+ truck because of their front end problems. If I'm going to have to spend $4000 on a truck, it may as well be on injectors for a Duramax, becuase I would have a good truck when it's done.

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 Re: New Ram V6 in reply to G1355, 03-17-2013 00:05:40  
The only true Hemi was the 426! They didn't improve on it, they brought out a new engine and used the Hemi name because of the 426's deserved reputation. Torque is what pulls, not horsepower or cubic inches. The ecoboost is proving itself to be a very solid and reliable engine. Most people aren't pulling all the time and the ecoboost gets great mileage. You bought a Hemi and are obviously very biased. Look at the old (4.9)300-6 Ford. They put that engine in one tons because it had a lot of torque. Then look at the 4.3 Chev V6 and it couldn't pull itself over a couple of toothpicks.

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Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeTo use his favorite phrase, G1355 has to be the 'hands down' all time 'sheet' talker of this and any other forum. Especially hands down for such a little wet behind the ears squirt.



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