I went to the local mobil station last Saturday and saw the sign was covered over, with a Valero sign. The station owner sold the place, It seems around here mobil is leaving, not that I care, but alot of the mobiles are now Sunoco stations. We got a place/truck stop called pilot a few years ago, now a Valaro. Pilot it a rip off for diesel, but the place is lined up with tractor trailers, yet there gas is cheapist around, now that this Valero moved in there the same price as pilot, and closer to my house, and the 3 other stations in town also dropped there price????Anybody firmilur with the Valero gas company? There brocher seemed pretty good!
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Gambles
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There was a brand new Valero that opened up close to me about a year ago. Some of my co-workers wouldn't go there because they said it was a Mexican-owned company. Obviously, a lot of people think that because they advertised in the paper that they are an American company and their stock symbol is VLO. I have yet to buy any fuel from them yet just because I normally don't go past that route.
flying belgian
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Never heard of it here in so. Mn.
Rollie NE PA
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Valero has been around in my part of the state(PA) for awhile now. Mostly Indian run/owned.
I am guessing that the Valero you are referring to is the one out of Mexico that has an Ethenal Plant about 16-18 miles west of Fort Dodge Iowa on hwy 20. (and other areas also) On the daily farm market they post prices for Corn, usually a little higher than the elevators. I have friends living in Fort Dodge that told me their water bills have gone up drastically and were told by city officials the water supply was less with the tremendous volume going to to e-plant. Guess I believe it as one of the men that told me about this I have known for over 30 years. Just thought I"d mention it.
J.Wondergem
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- Rockford, Mi.
I also wont buy any Citgo fuel ever since Chavez was making all that noise eight or ten years ago.
Motorcraftman
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I Like them around here, (N Ga) as they have 100% Gas, No Corn, and i guess So So prices, larry
MarkB_MI
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Valero is one of the largest refinery companies in the US. Not a bit player at all, but known more for its huge refinery capacity than its retail side. When you buy gas, regardless of the brand, there's a pretty fair chance it came from a Valero refinery.
Richard from SE AZ
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Valero is usually the cheapest gas in AZ. I also read that they process no oil from the middle east.
Dave Sherburne NY
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$3.95 per gallon 1/2 mile down the road usually at least .10 cents a gallon cheaper 12 miles down the road. They did take over the Mobil a few years ago.
dcarp
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- Schulenburg Texas
Valero is a Texas company formed in 1980. They are the worlds largest independent refiner, meaning they are strictly a refiner, they do not explore or drill wells. They are listed on the New York Stock Exchange undeer the symbol VLO. They have retail locations named Valero, Diamond Shamrock and the Corner Store. Most Diamond Shamrocks owned by Valero had their names changed to Valero. They are soon going to spin off the Corner Stores (1600 locations ) into a independent corporation.
Here in Texas the label on the pumps for gas say up to 10% ethanol & the diesel says up to 15% biodiesel. Usually among the cheapest for gas & diesel prices here. Cheapest gas prices here are at Racetrack stations.
Here in Texas the label on the pumps for gas say up to 10% ethanol & the diesel says up to 15% biodiesel. Usually among the cheapest for gas & diesel prices here. Cheapest gas prices here are at Racetrack stations.
john in la
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Valero is a spin off from one of the biggest natural gas pipe line companies in the U.S.
They have been on the wholesale side for years with several gasoline refineries and some ethanol plants. They are now expanding their retail side.
Pilot is a nation wide truck stop system and a wholesale jobber. They sell more diesel fuel than any one in the nation. They will compete on the gas side with any local station. They really do not need to compete with local stations on the diesel side because about 80% of the diesel that goes threw their pumps is sold on contract and the pump price means nothing.
They have been on the wholesale side for years with several gasoline refineries and some ethanol plants. They are now expanding their retail side.
Pilot is a nation wide truck stop system and a wholesale jobber. They sell more diesel fuel than any one in the nation. They will compete on the gas side with any local station. They really do not need to compete with local stations on the diesel side because about 80% of the diesel that goes threw their pumps is sold on contract and the pump price means nothing.
Read the fine print on the Valero pump - that cheap price on the pump is only for gas prepaid with cash (at least it is here). If you pay with a CC, the price is higher.
I stopped using Pilot gas years ago as the MPG drops so much that it turns out to be really high priced gas per mile of travel.
I stopped using Pilot gas years ago as the MPG drops so much that it turns out to be really high priced gas per mile of travel.
Stephen Newell
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Does anyone really notice a difference in the brand of gas. The only difference I can see is price.
MarkB_MI
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- Motown USA
Yes, there is a difference, but not one you're likely to notice without tearing your engine down. There are differences in the detergent packages, which is why GM and other manufacturers pushed the "Top Tier" fuel spec.
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Texasmark1
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I was at a family owned area grocery chain store the other day gassing up with their usually nickel beat the competition price. The 18 wheeler was filling the tanks.
I mosied over to the driver and while he was waiting for the transfer asked him a few questions. Answer is this:
He is a bulk distributor out of the Dallas fuel terminal. His truck is unmarked; some marked with the dist. name, not the retailer (Exxon, Shell, etc).
He said that this load was 850 gallons of alcohol and 7650 gallons of 87 octane gasoline. I said do you carry around additive packages to suit your variety of customers? He said no. He puts no additives in the fuel. If the customer wants them "THEY ADD THEM THEMSELVES"...........................DAHHHHHH!!!!!
On Valero, I think around here they replaced Shamrock which was an Okla. based oil company. They usually sell gas for a few cents below the norm, but there is no norm. Sometimes the interstate stations are the cheapest, one Exxon in a nearby town for example with a car wash which effects the price of gas that much more if you use it, and elsewhere it town it's several cents more.
I know there is a huge Exxon terminal in Dallas. Possibly they cater only to their badge stations and contain the necessary additives.
So, once it's in the ground and you are filling up, you have no idea as to what you are getting.
Mark
I mosied over to the driver and while he was waiting for the transfer asked him a few questions. Answer is this:
He is a bulk distributor out of the Dallas fuel terminal. His truck is unmarked; some marked with the dist. name, not the retailer (Exxon, Shell, etc).
He said that this load was 850 gallons of alcohol and 7650 gallons of 87 octane gasoline. I said do you carry around additive packages to suit your variety of customers? He said no. He puts no additives in the fuel. If the customer wants them "THEY ADD THEM THEMSELVES"...........................DAHHHHHH!!!!!
On Valero, I think around here they replaced Shamrock which was an Okla. based oil company. They usually sell gas for a few cents below the norm, but there is no norm. Sometimes the interstate stations are the cheapest, one Exxon in a nearby town for example with a car wash which effects the price of gas that much more if you use it, and elsewhere it town it's several cents more.
I know there is a huge Exxon terminal in Dallas. Possibly they cater only to their badge stations and contain the necessary additives.
So, once it's in the ground and you are filling up, you have no idea as to what you are getting.
Mark
gene bender
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Valero is the largest refiner in North America a huge booster in Ethanol and have got into the retail business. They own several Ethanol plants here in Iowa bought them in a banckruptcy deal said it was cheaper to buy them than to build are all running and they still think about building their own. Their gas stations started in the West coast. Their marketing spokesman has been on the Big Show farm news in DesMoines several times.
john in la
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1) I am suprised the driver spoke to you about such things since it is against federal law.
2) No station adds additives to the tank neither does the driver. It is added at the loading rack by what loading number the driver puts into the computer.
In other words the driver goes to the Exxon rack. There is no telling who made the gas because it came off the pipe line. Exxon may have several exchange accounts at any given rack. The computer calculates how much base gas to load and how much ethanol to load. If the driver wants exxon gas he puts in that code. It will then load the base gas and inject a exxon additive. If the driver had wanted shell gas it would have loaded the same base gas and a shell additive. If the gas was going to a non branded station it would load the same base gas and a genereic additive.
2) No station adds additives to the tank neither does the driver. It is added at the loading rack by what loading number the driver puts into the computer.
In other words the driver goes to the Exxon rack. There is no telling who made the gas because it came off the pipe line. Exxon may have several exchange accounts at any given rack. The computer calculates how much base gas to load and how much ethanol to load. If the driver wants exxon gas he puts in that code. It will then load the base gas and inject a exxon additive. If the driver had wanted shell gas it would have loaded the same base gas and a shell additive. If the gas was going to a non branded station it would load the same base gas and a genereic additive.
dcarp
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- Schulenburg Texas
I think the prices are higher in San Marcos because of I-35 and it's a college town. Most if the kids don't care about the price because their using. Mom & Dad's credit card.
Best prices I've seen lately were at the new Buckys in Bastrop. They won 't last long usually low when places first open then they go up.
Most convience stores with gas pumps are cheaper because the gas is just a hook to get you in the store and buy something. They might have a 2 cent a gallon mark up on the gas so you will buy a 44 oz soda for a $1.79 with a $1.25 markup.
Best prices I've seen lately were at the new Buckys in Bastrop. They won 't last long usually low when places first open then they go up.
Most convience stores with gas pumps are cheaper because the gas is just a hook to get you in the store and buy something. They might have a 2 cent a gallon mark up on the gas so you will buy a 44 oz soda for a $1.79 with a $1.25 markup.
john in la
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The rules made after 9/11 to prevent terrorism.
Remember a gas hauler is hauling a large load of hazardous materials. Giving out such info as to what you are hauling; route taken; time schedules; where you load and stations you unload; could all be used against you in the event of a terrorist attack.
It is even against the law to stop and assist a stranded motorist on the side of the road.
The further we get away from 9/11 the more lax the rule has become.
OH how people forget.
Remember a gas hauler is hauling a large load of hazardous materials. Giving out such info as to what you are hauling; route taken; time schedules; where you load and stations you unload; could all be used against you in the event of a terrorist attack.
It is even against the law to stop and assist a stranded motorist on the side of the road.
The further we get away from 9/11 the more lax the rule has become.
OH how people forget.
Jay, you wouldn't be near Kanona, would you?
There was a Valero here, Casey's bought them out 2 years ago, so now we have 3 Casey's, a Sinclair, and a Cenex in town.
I hate pilot. They buy up every little mom and pop place they can get their grubby little fingers on, take out the restaurant or diner, and put in fast food. Did it in ALbany, GA, East St Louis, and bought out Crazy D's, who had really good food, even if it was a bit of a craphole, it was still clean.
Then they bought out Flying J and put Denny's in them. I understand they did keep the real food in the Bosselman's, but haven't been in one since about the time they bought them out. I was driving for Schneider at that time, and they were after Schneider's fuel contract, so they were polling the drivers and I think the consensus was to keep the restaurants, so that's what they did, just another way to kiss SNI's backside to get the fuel contract.
If they can't buy a place out, they just set up shop across the street and try to put the other out of business.
There was a Valero here, Casey's bought them out 2 years ago, so now we have 3 Casey's, a Sinclair, and a Cenex in town.
I hate pilot. They buy up every little mom and pop place they can get their grubby little fingers on, take out the restaurant or diner, and put in fast food. Did it in ALbany, GA, East St Louis, and bought out Crazy D's, who had really good food, even if it was a bit of a craphole, it was still clean.
Then they bought out Flying J and put Denny's in them. I understand they did keep the real food in the Bosselman's, but haven't been in one since about the time they bought them out. I was driving for Schneider at that time, and they were after Schneider's fuel contract, so they were polling the drivers and I think the consensus was to keep the restaurants, so that's what they did, just another way to kiss SNI's backside to get the fuel contract.
If they can't buy a place out, they just set up shop across the street and try to put the other out of business.
Texasmark1
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Well maybe he forgot and I didn't look like a terrorist. Since I was gassing at the time and he could clearly see me come from my vehicle at the pump maybe he just didn't think about it. I had Hazmat on my CDL and don't remember that caveat, but I took my test prior to 9/11.
Well if what you say is true then that's good to know. Otherwise one can't help but speculate as to what's in the tank.
On my new truck, I had dirty exhaust from the time I bought it until I put a pint of Chem Tool Gas Treatment in it around 6k miles. I usually bought my gas at Exxon or a mid to upper class regional grocery chain store. So, that tells me right quick that something was lacking in the fuel in terms of engine hygiene.
Thanks for the heads up,
Mark
Well if what you say is true then that's good to know. Otherwise one can't help but speculate as to what's in the tank.
On my new truck, I had dirty exhaust from the time I bought it until I put a pint of Chem Tool Gas Treatment in it around 6k miles. I usually bought my gas at Exxon or a mid to upper class regional grocery chain store. So, that tells me right quick that something was lacking in the fuel in terms of engine hygiene.
Thanks for the heads up,
Mark
Texasmark1
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John, you didn't answer the question. I'm interested in the number too so that I can look it up.
Mark
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