Points of view

NCWayne

Well-known Member
Just reading the thread below about the child riding with his father on a tractor getting killed. It's always amazed me the differing points of view people have on any and everything, especially when some sort of tradgedy is involved. What's funny to me though is how someone will feel one way about one situation, but feel differently about an almost identical situation, but in a different setting. I'm always seeing talk about letting a kid be a passanger on a tractor in one instance, say plowing, but not in another, say running a mower. In any case, regardless of what implement is attached, there is always risk involved. EVERYTHING a human does around a piece of machinery is dangerous because the equipment itself does not care and does not watch out for you. Regardless of the implement if you take the necessary precautions to be as safe as possible, the best your going to do is reduce the risk factor, but it will never go completely away.
That said, to me, there is no difference in riding a child around on a tractor, in a 'safe' position, regardless of what implement is attached, than there is sitting a child behind yourself on the seat of a motorcycle and heading down the interstate at 65 MPH. That's something you see all the time but you'll never hear anyone making a fuss about that. Even if they are in an accident and the rider and/or child is killed, you won't see the same fuss made as there would be if the same two were riding a tractor around a 1000 acre field with no one else around, and something happened that killed one or both of them.

Like I said, the differing points of view people have based on the same outcome of an accident, but in a different situation, always amazes me. In either case, someone is dead or injured, and in either case it all involves us humans doing something that will always be dangerous, working around moving/powered equipment. The only way to truely stay 100% safe and know for sure you will NEVER get hurt by or from interation with a machine, is to NEVER set foot out of the house and get on anything powered (even human powered like a bicycle) as doing so will ALWAYS carry some sort of risk involved. Heck, just setting foot out the door and even walking down the side of the road carries risk assocated with others driving around in their machines.

The only difference in any of these situations is the thought we put into trying to minimize the risk factor as much as humanly possible.....Unfortunately no matter how hard we try, no matter what we do, there will ALWAYS be some risk involved in EVERYTHING we do, especially when there is a machine involved.....
 
I agree and a meteorite can still come right through your roof and get you.
Ron
 
I agree Wayne.
We are becoming a nation of wimps run by a bunch of fearful old ladies.
I spent hundreds of hours riding on the fenderless axle of a JD 620. Starting at about 8 years old when the tractor was brand new.
Holding on to the cultivator handle while he mowed, plowed raked, baled and cultivated. And somehow I'm still here to talk about it.
But just watch and see if the nanny staters don't jump on me for this. And also watch and see if we don't soon start passing laws to forbid boys being boys and grand pas and dads and uncles from giving rides to their loved ones because of some tragedy somewhere.
 
Or a car through your front window.
I could probably never forgive myself if something happened to one of my kids that was my fault, but they have all sat on my lap while I mowed with my IH B and a belly mower. Probably not perfectly safe, but I have a hard time imagining how they could fall between the steering wheel and the pedals and get into the mower.
 
I'm with you, there's risk in everything we do.
As I said in the post below, they're machines without feelings.
All we can do is try to minimize the risks.
We'll never get the younger generations interested or teach them
anything if they never get to go for a ride.
Tractor, car, motorcycle, snowmobile, hot air balloon, airplane, et al.
 
(quoted from post at 19:55:47 03/09/13) Just reading the thread below about the child riding with his father on a tractor getting killed. It's always amazed me the differing points of view people have on any and everything, especially when some sort of tradgedy is involved. What's funny to me though is how someone will feel one way about one situation, but feel differently about an almost identical situation, but in a different setting. I'm always seeing talk about letting a kid be a passanger on a tractor in one instance, say plowing, but not in another, say running a mower. In any case, regardless of what implement is attached, there is always risk involved. EVERYTHING a human does around a piece of machinery is dangerous because the equipment itself does not care and does not watch out for you. Regardless of the implement if you take the necessary precautions to be as safe as possible, the best your going to do is reduce the risk factor, but it will never go completely away.
That said, to me, there is no difference in riding a child around on a tractor, in a 'safe' position, regardless of what implement is attached, than there is sitting a child behind yourself on the seat of a motorcycle and heading down the interstate at 65 MPH. That's something you see all the time but you'll never hear anyone making a fuss about that. Even if they are in an accident and the rider and/or child is killed, you won't see the same fuss made as there would be if the same two were riding a tractor around a 1000 acre field with no one else around, and something happened that killed one or both of them.

Like I said, the differing points of view people have based on the same outcome of an accident, but in a different situation, always amazes me. In either case, someone is dead or injured, and in either case it all involves us humans doing something that will always be dangerous, working around moving/powered equipment. The only way to truely stay 100% safe and know for sure you will NEVER get hurt by or from interation with a machine, is to NEVER set foot out of the house and get on anything powered (even human powered like a bicycle) as doing so will ALWAYS carry some sort of risk involved. Heck, just setting foot out the door and even walking down the side of the road carries risk assocated with others driving around in their machines.

The only difference in any of these situations is the thought we put into trying to minimize the risk factor as much as humanly possible.....Unfortunately no matter how hard we try, no matter what we do, there will ALWAYS be some risk involved in EVERYTHING we do, especially when there is a machine involved.....
un death/vehicle deaths. What I do is reasonable, what you do is uncalled for risk. etc.
 
I spent countless hours riding on tractors when I was very young and I enjoyed every minute of it. I sat on the toolbox of our SMTA and held on to the PTO lever , or on the toolbox of the 350U, and on the left axle tube of our Farmall B, but we had a pipe from the fender to the top of the trans to hold on to. Like everyone else said there is risk in everything including old tractors, but I was told about the dangers, and I learned to respect farm machinery. I also remember a few one armed farmers growing up that forgot to respect corn pickers. It is a tradegy when someone is injured or killed be it on a tractor or anything else, but I think life would be a lot simpler for everyone if we could just go back to using common sense . Too bad it is such an uncommon comodity in todays society.
 
I have to agree with you also. My kids always want to ride with me and as they get a little older operate the equipment. You just have to be as safe as possible and teach them to respect the equipment as you say the equipment doesnt care how old you are.
 
Well, this is one grandpa, that has turned down the pleading, of his 2 1/2 yr old grandson, to ride on the tractor. I have another coming on that is 6mo old, and I know that I will be asked again. I just have to get my mind working, and figgure out a safe way to mount a second seat, with belts, on at least one of my small Allis's.
 
I often rode with dad, or grandpa, or most often my uncle. But there were times I got to do some walking because a situation came up, and there were some things that I just never asked if I could ride again after the first time I asked.

The first time I "drove" a tractor I stood on the seat between dad's knees. But I suspect he had ahold of the wheel the whole time.
 
I think I started riding when I was about 2 1/2-3 years old. Mom was green chopping in some really tall grass, and I snuck out of the house on Grandma. I was wearing a little red hoodie and my Mom only stopped because she was watching the grass move towards her, and out popped me in my bright red hoodie. She didn't have much choice but to let me up and give me a ride back to the barn.

Fast forward and I rode the fender of our 285 for years, and even wore some of the paint off the fender from so much riding. I don't think there was hardly ever a moment for a few years where Dad went out without me. I rode on the fender of the 1600 sometimes, but I had less to hold on to and Dad used it much less. We also had the 165 since I was in 1st grade, but that one stayed at the barn most of the time. The 285 was really nice because it's got a nice hand hold at the front to get on the tractor, and on the back Dad had mounted a work light on a peice of bar stock to raise it up some, and it made another great hand hold. I could ride all day and not get tired.

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Donovan from Wisconsin
 

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