New Tow Vehicle

Tom Bond

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Well, I did it. After 11 years of faithful service, I've retired the Suburban. Didn't need anything that big with the kids off to college and me just towing a 4 wheeler or the 861 around. Had 153,000 on it and needed brakes and some front end work. Finally decided on a 2013 Dodge Durango. Wanted something enclosed like the Suburban to keep all the tools and fishing/hunting gear in. Will take delivery on Wednesday. Estimated mileage about 7 mpg more than the Sub. although it's only the V6 version. Not the Hemi. Test ride was nice. Seemed like enough power when I kicked it in. We'll see how it does with the trailer @ 3000lbs.. Rated for 6000. I'll send pics when it arrives. Suburban trade-in $6100.
New Durango out the door $30,500. A replacement Suburban priced out @ $59,000!
 
Well at least you got a dodge, you should like it, think the v6
has over 300hp so it would be just as mean as a 5.3 Chevy
which your suburban probebly had, if it would of had a hemi
those are wild, at 395hp they will pull and break the tires loose
easily, you should be happy with the Durango
 
(quoted from post at 20:27:29 03/04/13) Well at least you got a dodge, you should like it, think the v6
has over 300hp so it would be just as mean as a 5.3 Chevy
which your suburban probebly had, if it would of had a hemi
those are wild, at 395hp they will pull and break the tires loose
easily, you should be happy with the Durango

You are pretty amusing. I bet young too. Go to school :eek: . Become an auto tech 8) . Then spout yer Dodge is great stuff...... :shock: We drive a Suburban, 98 model. Use it as a farm vehicle. Over 280,000 miles on the original engine. Replaced the tranny at 258,000. Bet that Durango don't make it near that far! Don't wanna believe it. You can come and that the Burban for a spin!

Rick
 
My dad just had a 99 suburban he just got rid of, 210,000
never touched it, the 350, 5.7 is pretty tough, but there kinda
poochy. You just like getting me riled up about dodges, deep
down you have a soft spot for them, why would I wanna be an
auto tech, dodges require minimal matneince and don't break
down very often. And I know I'm not gonna work on fords or
Chevys as far as I'm concerned they can quit making them any
time and crush them all, especially fords. So when you decide
to get a dodge you'll fall in love and won't buy anything but a
dodge, and you'll buy a dodge ram to go along with it. ;)
 
I had a 76 GMC 3/4T pickup that had 232,000 miles on it and the original clutch and trans when I sold it. The 88 3/4 T GMC wasn't half the pickup. Now I'm in a 2005 3/4T Ram, 2005 with only 90,000 on it. It is getting time to replace the original tires and plugs. Otherwise it runs like a top, getting close to 19 mpg on the highway. Oh, and it was $20,000 out the door.

Old Suburbans are fine, new ones?????
 
Is that a hemi or a cummins, if its a hemi it must have 3:73 gears because that's pretty good for a hemi.
 
Ya, but the Durango should be a 3.6, I'm not familiar with the 2.7s I just like running the 5.7 hemi, there a good motor and plenty of power. Not saying dodges won't break down but there better than most overall, all have strong and weak points.
 
Dodges rarely break down? Ha! That should be on the whoppers post from a few weeks ago. Im an auto technician, and dodges definetly do break down. I work at an independent shop, so we work on all makes and models, and chrysler products are by far the worst to work on. Even most imports are easier to work on, with the exception of some of the europeans. You couldnt give me anything made by chrysler. Well, except a 70 road runner with a 440 6 pack and a four speed. but definetly nothing newer than that.
 
Well, we just found out how young you are!

You could buy as many Intrepids, etc., as you had money for, that had blown up 2.7s.

That new 3.6 looks like quite the engine, hope it will run forever too.
 
(quoted from post at 21:08:55 03/04/13) My dad just had a 99 suburban he just got rid of, 210,000
never touched it, the 350, 5.7 is pretty tough, but there kinda
poochy. You just like getting me riled up about dodges, deep
down you have a soft spot for them, why would I wanna be an
auto tech, dodges require minimal matneince and don't break
down very often. And I know I'm not gonna work on fords or
Chevys as far as I'm concerned they can quit making them any
time and crush them all, especially fords. So when you decide
to get a dodge you'll fall in love and won't buy anything but a
dodge, and you'll buy a dodge ram to go along with it. ;)

Not really. I have worked as an auto mechanic. Quit about 10 years ago. That's why I will never own a Dodge.....ever! LOL got an uncle who drove Dodges for years. Kinda sounded like you. Couple of years ago during the bail outs he traded on a Ford. Now he shounds like that about Ford. He thinks they are the best thing sense slced bread. I'd buy a Ford or Gm again and again. Last 4 vehicles were all driven well over 200,000 miles, 86 LTD, 88 Town Car, 2000 Exploder and now the Burban. The 86 cost me one alternator, one water pump and a starter, traded with 235,000. 88 Was about the same plus a master cyl. The exploder was traded at 212,000, with all repairs totaling a thermostat. The Burban was 258,000 on the tranny, one starter, one wheel bearing and an alternator. It's now over 280,000. I don't know anyone with a Dodge gas truck who hasn't had to rebuild the engine somewhere around 180-220,000. Don't know of any with 280,000 on em..

I'm happy for the buyer of the Durango and hope it's a good vehicle for him.

One of my sons works for a guy who has a 1 ton dualy Dodge that has been a good truck. Last year he traded his 3/4 Dodge Hemi 2009. HE says it was the worst truck he's ever owned. He got a Ford F450 to replace it. Says when it's time for the other Dodge to go it's going for a Ford. So I guess someone will always buy a Dodge once they own one. IN 1978 I had 2 Dodges, my first and my last! Traded it on an IH Scout.

Just you going on about how great they are ALL OF THE TIME......


Rick
 
All that talk about break downs and repairs makes me glad that I have a Tundra. I wave when I go by the repair shops.
 
I'm a ford guy, and always felt funny driving the Tundra my wife leased - but I can't say you're wrong.

Probably the best, most dependable, and comfortable truck I've ever driven.
 
I don't like running v6s so I'm not familiar with any of them, I just like running the 5.7 hemi, there dependable
 
GM is having loads of issues with their 3.6, apparently they forgot how to build and design timing gears.
 
Our neighbor has a 2004 2500 dodge with the 5.7 hemi, all
he's done is put in u joints and a water pump amnd its got
215,000 on it and he still runs it everyday and it gets used
hard, it's got a flatbed on it.
 
I have only owned 1 Dodge and that was enough. 2000 Durango bought with 14k miles on it. Luckily I bought the extended warranty as well because the transfer case exploded on me cruising down the highway one day when it had 123k miles.
That was a 3k repair that the warranty covered.
After that, the front wheel bearings went. Then the ball joints needed to be replaced.
Then the tranny went out.
Got rid of it at 150k miles because my warranty was going to expire. I won't buy another Dodge! At least the motor was good, 5.7l, I changed oil every 5k miles with Mobil 1 10w30.
 
And when he trades a 2500 for a f450, that's quiet a
difference, why was he disappointed in it? If he likes the ford
more for payload or pulling I could see why it's a bigger truck
all the way around, it's like comparing oranges to apples.
 
We bought a new Durango R/T last year, and we really like it.
Wouldn't own a GM, and Fords were either too big or too small
for us. The Durango fits us well. Even with a Hemi, it will get
well over 20 mpg on the highway. Only 15,000 miles on it so
far. The chassis is basically Mercedes, as was the Charger
R/T we had before. Mercedes did a lot for the company- don't
know what the next generation of cars will be with Fiat in
control. We plan on keeping this Durango for a long time, so I
guess it doesn't matter to us.
 
(quoted from post at 08:46:49 03/05/13) And when he trades a 2500 for a f450, that's quiet a
difference, why was he disappointed in it? If he likes the ford
more for payload or pulling I could see why it's a bigger truck
all the way around, it's like comparing oranges to apples.

The guys owns a lighting/sound/stage business. Covers ND/SD/NE/MN/IA. Every time they pulled a trailer (even the small trailer) with that Hemi Dodge 3/4 ton he came back with a list of things wrong with it. 3 days on the road and 4 in the shop is what he says. He went with the 450 cause at the time he got it he also got a bigger stage that required a bigger truck for the larger trailer to move it. Now he's looking at a bigger stage and a semi.

Most of the stuff was minor but when you buy a new vehicle it should be right and shouldn't be in the shop getting warrenty work done every week. And they only used it on the lite trailers.

Man I use to hate working on Intrepeds and Dakotas.

Rick
 

Theres on one super good vehicle left on the
market. & it"s the one you don"t hafta work
on....
 
I got a 1998 F-150 4X4 5.4L Automatic 337,000 miles, I changed the oil and filter every 6,000. Changed the Trans filter at 290,000 miles and topped off with oil still runs as good as it did when I bought it new. New Alt. and Starter and normal wear items, thats it. Best vehicle I've ever owned.
 
Well if its under warranty I don't mind if it does break, then its
new parts for no cost.
 
I'm not a auto mechanic and don't plan on becoming one either. And if I work on dodges they'll be my own and will be the 5.7 or 6.1 or 6.4 hemi or the cummins, no others
 
(quoted from post at 13:27:49 03/05/13) Well if its under warranty I don't mind if it does break, then its
new parts for no cost.

The problem there is don't don't buy a vehicle to set in the dealers shop, you buy it to drive and park in your drive. If I were to buy a new vehicle and it was at the dealers even more than once in the first year for a repair I'd be pretty mad. Don't matter if it's covered and don't cost me anything. What matters is that it's under my butt carrying me don the road!

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 07:19:22 03/05/13) I don't like running v6s so I'm not familiar with any of them, I just like running the 5.7 hemi, there dependable

Somewhat dependable but NOT a hemi - period!
 
Then defiantly don't buy a ford, our whole family haven't been
able to keep them out of the shop. Especially there trucks.
 
(quoted from post at 16:48:10 03/05/13) Then defiantly don't buy a ford, our whole family haven't been
able to keep them out of the shop. Especially there trucks.


That's funny, I just looked up on J.D. Powers, relibility ratings for 2011/12. Funny how Ford is rated better quality than both GM and Ram for those 2 years. I didn't bother to look back past 2011. Ford was 4 out of 5 and GM and Ram were both 2 out of 5.

Go look up what HEMI means. Then look up almost all head design from about 1955 and on for all 3.

Rick
 
Could be, I also remember when ford had tons of problems
with there power strokes, like the 6.4 and the 6.0, right when
they were new, most all of them had problems and to work on
them you had to take off the truck cab to work on them. Maybe
you've never dealt with one. A lot of people around here
switched to gm and dodge after that.
 
(quoted from post at 22:55:34 03/05/13) Who's got 2013 motor trend truck of the year?

Don't think it's ford, or Chevy

That don't mean a damn thing. Motor Trend gave the Chevy Vega car of the year when it came out, how did that turn out?

I'm a Mopar guy through and through, always have been and always will be.
 
Not to make you feel bad but here's what I found for only $8500! 1999 , one owner , 73000 mi, seats/carpet covered since new , spotless inside and out including door bottoms (southern vehicle)Won't find a new one any cleaner. Ford and Dodge tried to make a suburban and failed miserably. Not sure but I think the 1999,s werwe the last real good ones. They're more like large cars now. Good luck with the Dodge.
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You can normally get a pretty good discount on Suburban's and Dually's. When the price of gas goes up, these vehicles come down in price.
 
(quoted from post at 18:55:34 03/05/13) Who's got 2013 motor trend truck of the year?

Don't think it's ford, or Chevy

When they give that ranking they test drive them a couple of hundred miles. Can't really evaluate a vehicle like that. Back in the late 80's I got both Motor Trend and Car and Driver. That year both did test on pickups. They tried driving em like sports cars and complained about performance and handling. I thought that was a pretty poor way to rate a truck. Then they rated the 18,000 dollar Mazda Miada 2 seat sport car. All through the story they complained that it didn't handle or accelerate as well as an 80,000 dollar European sport car. I haven't paid any attention to what garbage they spew sense then. I've seen one eval of trucks in a mag that was worth while and it wasn't even in an auto mag. In that article they tested towing, load carrying and such.
 
That's why I got this little gem from my brother who bought it new. 2006 Jetta Diesel , loaded,leather heated seats all options , gets 45 mpg (40 if one corrects for gas vs diesel cost). $6000, so I've got $14,500 vs over $30,000. Each to his own but this guy will NEVER pay $30,000 for ANY vehicle.New wears off way too quickly for my taste.
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(quoted from post at 21:54:53 03/05/13) That's why I got this little gem from my brother who bought it new. 2006 Jetta Diesel , loaded,leather heated seats all options , gets 45 mpg (40 if one corrects for gas vs diesel cost). $6000, so I've got $14,500 vs over $30,000. Each to his own but this guy will NEVER pay $30,000 for ANY vehicle.New wears off way too quickly for my taste.
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LOL haven't bought a new one in years, same reason, let someone else eat the initial depreciation.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 18:55:34 03/05/13) Who's got 2013 motor trend truck of the year?

Don't think it's ford, or Chevy


" Motor Trend Truck of The Year" is a joke. It goes from one brand to another from one year to the next!
 
(quoted from post at 13:27:49 03/05/13) Well if its under warranty I don't mind if it does break, then its
new parts for no cost.

You don't mind if it breaks? The way most people figure is the truck/car/boat/aircraft whatever is supposed to be under your butt not the other way around.
 
(quoted from post at 21:49:53 03/05/13)
(quoted from post at 18:55:34 03/05/13) Who's got 2013 motor trend truck of the year?

Don't think it's ford, or Chevy

When they give that ranking they test drive them a couple of hundred miles. Can't really evaluate a vehicle like that. Back in the late 80's I got both Motor Trend and Car and Driver. That year both did test on pickups. They tried driving em like sports cars and complained about performance and handling. I thought that was a pretty poor way to rate a truck. Then they rated the 18,000 dollar Mazda Miada 2 seat sport car. All through the story they complained that it didn't handle or accelerate as well as an 80,000 dollar European sport car. I haven't paid any attention to what garbage they spew sense then. I've seen one eval of trucks in a mag that was worth while and it wasn't even in an auto mag. In that article they tested towing, load carrying and such.

Often times the writers are less than objective in their evaluations and writeings.
 
(quoted from post at 09:59:46 03/06/13)

Often times the writers are less than objective in their evaluations and writeings.[/quote]


Very true. Most often they rate vehicles based on how many ad dollars are spent.

Going back to the warranty issues for G, you say you don't care about it as long as the fix is free. Well you can brag about how great a vehicle is while you are bumming rides, riding public trans or walking while the dealer is fixing your vehicle. If/when I buy another new one I have to drive a compact loaner I'm going to be pretty mad and darn sure will not be braggin about my "new" truck that's broke.

rick
 

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