Roberts Rules of Order

Anyone here knowlegable on Roberts rules of order? I ha e some questions, but don't have time to dig thru my copy. Thanks, Mike

Past and present FFA members should be able to help.

What are your questions?

what is the question ?wanna call me? 812-969 -2123

Is there a motion to adjorn?

I believe in the future of Farming, with a faith born not of words but of Deeds!

Not necessary, Chairman can adjourn a meeting at any time.

I usually lean toward Bob's General Ideas of Getting Things Done. Robert so belabors things...

Shut up and sit down...next item on agenda please

out of order, fetch the coffee,,lol

thats kinda what i call my meetings, bobs rules.
i had an old FFAer that would rise to a point of order and i'd tell him to sit back down, we have a meeting to run.

I use it twice a week or more.
Here is a great short reference. Jim
Robert short

sparktrician: I think your the one posting yesterday about how you where going to straighten out a tractor club????? I think begging for money.

I bet that after you run a few meeting with your "Robert's Rules of Order" you will not have much of a club left. Robert's rules work real well for crooks and know-it-alls to keep discussion down from any that oppose them.

You where complaining about how the last president ran things and I think you are just about the same type but just with "fancy rules" to hide behind.

As for wanting to know about them. Just asked any FFA alumni. They are experts at the Robert's rules but not so much on how to make a living on a "real" farm.

Dang JD you just about covered all of us on that. Do you have a better solution to Sparctrican"s delima or are you just against clubs too? We have the same situation here, fact is the club is two guys that are always right.

Wellll......I am by NO means ANYTHING lime the last two presidents. Our club has its own bylaws, and is supposed to be ran according to Roberts rules of order. Here is the problem.......I am not a expert on the subject, nor is any of the board or membership EXCEPT one director who keeps using Roberts rules to squash any new ideas he does not like. I do not know if he is. Correct in his statements or not. I have a copy of Roberts rules, and have been educating myself as fast as possible......but anyone who has read that book knows learning it in any sort of detail takes time, and lots of it.

On a side note, this. Lib has been around longer than I have. Do to past bad management it has came close to folding. I got involved because I do not want that to happen. It has been a real eye opener as y why the club is where it is. JD, if you knew me you would know I am nothing like past presidents of this club.

Roberts rules (as I said below I use them often making good decisions in clubs from 4H to Technology clubs, to department meetings.) is a way to keep from having an individual control the situation. The front table is not allowed to make motions, the front table is using Roberts to assess the constituents, not shape the outcome. THhe short version below is easy to use and assures the members are not flogged by a few ""leaders"" with a personal agenda. Almost all other methods of running a club or government are worse, or crooked.
Jim

I will post back soon with details on.my question......I am hauling manure right now, and I need to check a item in our bylaws. Thanks guys.

Using Robert's Rules is fine... they are usefull. However, if things have come to a point where one dic* is running things down because he has a rule book... it sounds like the majority need to remove the one dic* from the club.
I follow the general belief that most boards should work from a position of consensus.... That's not to say that everybody agrees all of the time but when one ego is trying to dominate against the general well being of the whole... you remove the thorn or make it so miserable that he leaves.

Rod

(quoted from post at 14:55:21 03/03/13) Using Robert's Rules is fine... they are usefull. However, if things have come to a point where one dic* is running things down because he has a rule book... it sounds like the majority need to remove the one dic* from the club.
I follow the general belief that most boards should work from a position of consensus.... That's not to say that everybody agrees all of the time but when one ego is trying to dominate against the general well being of the whole... you remove the thorn or make it so miserable that he leaves.

Rod

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^^^Unquestionably the most useful statment made up to this point regardless who's rules are in place.
Sparktrician,if you consider yourself a leader capiable of turning the club around,you may as well expect many fastballs along the way. You should also not ask for opinions or advise if you intend accepting only what you like. Questions will be asked by members regarding how dicissions were made,money was spent and other issues along the way. Although your intentions are good,you may not be the man for the job albeit better than prior ones. When I asked about poor leadership and bad money management leading to the need for"QUICK CASH" in your "TRACTOR CLUB ISSUES" thread,your response was either not well thought out or is an outright politician's tactic. Your exact words were,
This has nothing to do with current
officers / directors. This issue has been coming for a long
time. This is my first year as president
Now you start another thread saying that indeed there has been terrible passed leadership problems attributed to inability in handeling a single member who runs things using a rule book.
Your answer to my question should have been along the line of, yes Mr. potential life time membership buyer,we have experienced problems that resulted in the present situation but we have new direction now and are determined to grow the club with new leadership.
The impression I get is you are far too concurned with redirecting blame and fault to take objective views because you feel like you are being atacked personaly.
I welcome opinoins to the contrary.

ok......to my original post about the lifetime memberships.....this subject was proposed by me at the last meeting. After discussion and ammending the motion, it was passed that we would advertise Ten (10) lifetime memberships would be sold at the next meeting for $150.00 each. This announcement would be in the membership newsletter sent before the meeting. In the event that there are more than 10 members interested in purchsing a lifetime membership we would draw names from a hat (lottery) to decide who would purchase the memberships. We would limit the lifetime memberships to (10)so as not to affect club revenue in a drastic measure in later years. Fast forward to now..... a board member (who was not present at the last meeting) has stated that this idea is null and void as our bylaws do not mention a lifetime membership, and roberts rules of order do not allow it. The Club by laws can be ammended.....but I cannot find anything in Roberts rules of order pertaining to this subject??????

So.....If we ammend our bylaws to allow the sale of lifetime memberships, does roberts rules of order have any affect on this?

I feel this member does not personally like this idea, and is using his "knowledge" Of roberts rules of order to buffalo us into doing what he wants.

As it stands now, this buisness is to be included in next months newsletter. (decided on by vote of officers and directors present at the last meeting) But this other director says it is null and void......so.......long story short......who is right?

The bylaws are what you would follow... What do the bylaws state with regard to ammendments to the bylaws? Generally there is a specified majority required along with a notice of meeting... either AGM or special meeting. If nothing is specified then I would think a simple majority would suffice given normal notice of meeting.
If you go changing bylaws you want to get it right when you do...

It would also be advisable to talk to the rest of the members and find out where they stand... find out if they're with you or not.

Rod

I joined a club once upon a time. The sent me through 8 weeks of catching he double toothpicks for everything I did. Then 10 weeks teaching me about engines that we wern't allowed to rebuild anyway, then put me on a train, bus, plane to a big rock called Newfoundland. Took me three years to get out of that club. Learned my lesson. Don't join clubs. PS. In the end it was a very good experience and I am proud of it.

Argentia?

(quoted from post at 17:05:13 03/03/13) a board member (who was not present at the last meeting) has stated that this idea is null and void as our bylaws do not mention a lifetime membership, and roberts rules of order do not allow it. The Club by laws can be ammended.....but I cannot find anything in Roberts rules of order pertaining to this subject??????

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If some chowderhead is trying to bully the club and using RR as a weapon, you need to take that weapon away from him or at least use it against him. Example, tell him unless he can show you and the membership of the club where (in wrighting) that RR was violated, then you wont entertain his claim. Dont let him just spout off things, make him point them out. Single him out as the only one that thinks RR prevent what was done, eveybody else thinks things were fine but tell him you are open to learning and if he would point it out, you would be happy to entertain doing things differently.

(quoted from post at 17:05:13 03/03/13)As it stands now, this buisness is to be included in next months newsletter. (decided on by vote of officers and directors present at the last meeting) But this other director says it is null and void......so.......long story short......who is right?

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The club and its decisions stand unless or untill proven it did things incorrectly. If the club made a mistake, I believe it can go throught the process again to correct it. When or if the chowderhead points out the error on paper, post his claim so others more familiar with it can shoot holes in it. It sounds like you are right, he just aint happy and is hoping to bully the club.