Lots of talk on it latley, here are my thoughts. Have a system (like escrow) where if I bid on a tractor part it automatically pays the seller or puts a hold on my account. If I win. I guess if i do not have the funds it won't let me bid. Seems unpaid items would be few far between???? Now lets be civil. Oh I been to many auctions where you must leave a deposit or have it if you win!!!!
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- Thread starter JOCCO
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One problem- lets say you keep $200 in your account, and usually that's enough for the kind of stuff you buy- But suddenly, there's a UDLX that seems to have sneaked under everybody's radar, at $6,500 with seconds to go!
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, "Doh!!"
And while we're about it, my pet Ebay peeve: Sniping at the end. Solution- an end time, but not firm- that is, item remains open until 1 minute has passed since the last bid. In other words, make it like an actual auction!
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, "Doh!!"
And while we're about it, my pet Ebay peeve: Sniping at the end. Solution- an end time, but not firm- that is, item remains open until 1 minute has passed since the last bid. In other words, make it like an actual auction!
Hey Counsellr, Actually, I LOVE TO SNIPE LOL I figure the exact max amount I'm willing to pay, if I get it fine if not fine, I bid at like 10 seconds left so if another real live (NON automatic) person is willing to still pay more (over their automatic already higher bid) time runs out. Unfortunately automatc bid programs or if theres another automatic higher bid out there I loose BUT I DONT CARE CUZ I ALREADY BID MY MAX AND SO BE IT... Just in case theres another live NON automatic bidder out there I dont want him/her to have time to respond.. Works for me at least. Seems more fun then placing your max bid (let Flea Bay bid auto for you) a week before the sale ends but thats how I have to do it if I cant be at my puter the last minute of the sale..
John T
John T
Gunbroker.com uses the 15 minute rule, the auction dont end untill there is a full 15 minutes without any bidding. Everybody loves it [b:4d5359ed78][i:4d5359ed78]except[/i:4d5359ed78][/b:4d5359ed78] the snipers.
Ebay put great effort into the biggest problems.... bad sellers. Im not sure there is enough demand to clean up the problem of bad buyers. Im not saying they dont exist, Im just saying they are not huge numbers and Ebay allows you to relist so the only thing you are out is time. In Ebays eyes, thats good enough.
Ebay put great effort into the biggest problems.... bad sellers. Im not sure there is enough demand to clean up the problem of bad buyers. Im not saying they dont exist, Im just saying they are not huge numbers and Ebay allows you to relist so the only thing you are out is time. In Ebays eyes, thats good enough.
Anonymous-0
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Bad thing about extending the auction, is that it can almost go on forever. Once I was bidding on a Dovebid online auction, for a shop machine. Another bidder and myself kept bidding back and forth, fo several hours,after the item was supposed to end. IIRC, we about tripled the price that it was at the "official" end.. We upped it many thousands of dollars. Turned out, I lost, but found out I knew the other bidder. One of us could have just paid the other 500 bucks not to bid, LOL.
Anonymous-0
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Yes, deadbeat bidders sre getting more frequent. Why, because there is no punishment. All bidders have 100% positive feedback because you cannot leave negative for them. Ebay doesn't care because they don't want to make bidders mad, they want to keep them as buyer's, but I don't know the answer to the problem.
As far as last minute bidder's, I see no problem. I just bid my max I will give and if I get outbid, well they would have out bid me anyway, no matter what. I'll just wait for something better to come along.
As far as last minute bidder's, I see no problem. I just bid my max I will give and if I get outbid, well they would have out bid me anyway, no matter what. I'll just wait for something better to come along.
Mike with all due respect i do not see a problem in sniping. I don't see the big advantage (yes i know it keeps you out of a bidding war.) If the bid is at $10 and you are it but put in $500 bid and i put in a snipe for $50 you will win at $51. I also don't see a problem with so much time past last bid if there is bidding but do see the pros and cons.
Oh yes Mike to answer your question i think for high price items like a car, UDLX etc they use a deposit/retainer like $500 after auction. Don't know about you but if someone/ebay was going to take $500 out of my bank account I would be very carfull what i bid on!!!!!!!!!
Ebay exists to make money for Ebay based on the amount they can collect.
Any effort to clean things up will need to not hold back any sales at all.
Your plan puts a cap on bids, so it would not work.
As well, as a buyer and seeing the problems from bad sellers, I would not touch Ebay with a 10 foot pole under your plan.
Any store, any seller has a risk, and the money they charge covers that risk.
When you sell on Ebay, no different than a storefront. You need to figure out how to cover that risk of bad customers.
You can have Ebay cover that risk for you, but you will get less for tyour item. I suspect that is not agreeable to you.
To put the total risk of a sale upon a buyer - well that won't fly either.
Your plan sounds like: I'll bid on your item. Now, here, take my miney right away. Period. I don't need to get anything in return for my miney.
Yikes.
--->Paul
Any effort to clean things up will need to not hold back any sales at all.
Your plan puts a cap on bids, so it would not work.
As well, as a buyer and seeing the problems from bad sellers, I would not touch Ebay with a 10 foot pole under your plan.
Any store, any seller has a risk, and the money they charge covers that risk.
When you sell on Ebay, no different than a storefront. You need to figure out how to cover that risk of bad customers.
You can have Ebay cover that risk for you, but you will get less for tyour item. I suspect that is not agreeable to you.
To put the total risk of a sale upon a buyer - well that won't fly either.
Your plan sounds like: I'll bid on your item. Now, here, take my miney right away. Period. I don't need to get anything in return for my miney.
Yikes.
--->Paul
Ebay isn't perfect but it does work well. PayPal helps that a lot.
If the buyer does not pay does Ebay collect a commission? I don't think it does, so the seller isn't out any money, just time.
I've lost auctions and received offer to sell me the item at my maximum bid after the winning bidder didn't pay or multiple items were available. I've also had sellers refuse to ship or issue a refund because the price was too low.
If the buyer does not pay does Ebay collect a commission? I don't think it does, so the seller isn't out any money, just time.
I've lost auctions and received offer to sell me the item at my maximum bid after the winning bidder didn't pay or multiple items were available. I've also had sellers refuse to ship or issue a refund because the price was too low.
Traditional Farmer
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You're right having a set time to end the auction is better that way everyone goes ahead and puts their maximum bid they want in together instead of dragging things out for for a couple hrs.Not everyone would be able to sit and keep bidding for an hour or more.
CenTex Farmall
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Another advantage of snipe bidding is that is cuts down on shill bidders.
Old Timer in Ohio
Member
Hey there ;
Went to the local Dollar General store today,
I noticed they had "Pay Pal" cards, on one of
those lazy susan towers. Don't know exactly
how they work. But if you have a store in your
area, you can check it out.
Bob
God Bless
Went to the local Dollar General store today,
I noticed they had "Pay Pal" cards, on one of
those lazy susan towers. Don't know exactly
how they work. But if you have a store in your
area, you can check it out.
Bob
God Bless
mike in new mexico
Member
I buy a lot and I pay right away.I see more dead beat sellers lately then I use to, I'm talking about sellers that won't ship the item. I'm now waiting on an item for over 2 weeks, seller say's he will ship but he never does. all this time he's got my money.- mike
i dont know i quit using ebay years ago,i hate buying any item from a photo or 2, its 2 easy to post a photo of a nice item when you in fact bidding on a pos of the same thing, ive also seen bidders hide until the last few seconds then pop up and grab the item you think you had, to me its just better and safer to buy an item if you standing there looking at it
dr sportster
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Boy I must be lucky .I have only had one bad bidder and it was on a stupid electronic Furby toy. The guy got kicked off ebay. I ship as soon as the auction ends before they pay[ much to my wifes dismay] and have always gotten paid.If they are slow ebay automaticly sends them an unpaid auction notice after one week.If a week and a half goes by I send an email telling them I am reporting them for mail fraud and violation of The Sherman Anti-trust Act [which covers auctions]. Once I tortured some poor guy for quite some time about not paying for a Gordie Howe book. Then I realized he was trying he just didn't know how to pay and was quite frustrated.I felt bad and sent him a bonus hockey book.The thing that annoyed me about the one guy who didn't pay was all his feedback was negative but could only be entered as positive and he had a 100% feedback. He operated under many names Alpha this delta that. I actually had to get someone at ebay on the phone for that one. Which is almost impossible.Sooner or later they all pay.When I bid ,I bid at the last 16 seconds of the auction which comes out to seven seconds by the time it goes in.One bad thing about shipping at the end of the auction is twice someone had their old address which caused great hassle to retrieve from the USPS but I did retrieve the items.{ Actually I gotta stop doing that until they pay -my wife is right -it is stupid]. But Im a fast shipper. Ha.
dr sportster
Well-known Member
Exactly -you can't leave yourself open to that because alot of them do it.
(quoted from post at 15:02:41 03/02/13) I avoid all of the ebay issues by simply not using ebay.
Dean
LOL me too!
Rick
Nebraska Cowman
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I would not use ebay if I had to leave a deposit. On the other hand I have sold way more than I've bought on ebay the last 10 years. (I've been a member since June of O2) seldom ever do I get a no pay. If I do I don't sweat it. I still have the item. I just re-list it and block the offending bidder. I have never reported a no pay to ebay. Ebay is not my mother and I don't expect her to fight my battles.
I bought a saw part off a guy about two years ago- and never got it. Got three excuses as to why it wasn"t here yet, by the time he refunded my money, it was too late to leave feedback.
He said he mixed up orders, but I never got the part he said he sent me by accident, either. Probably never had it, or sold it off the shelf after I bought it.
He said he mixed up orders, but I never got the part he said he sent me by accident, either. Probably never had it, or sold it off the shelf after I bought it.
Well here is my view point from being a buyer only. If you want to make me put money in escrow then I want the item for sale shipped to Ebay to be held in escrow too.
I do not see how the seller is in any danger of a "bad bidder". The seller still has the item. The buyer is taking much more of a chance than the seller. The seller can just re-list the item for sale.
When I buy something I have to pay for it and HOPE that the seller is going to send me the item pictured in a timely manner.
As for the snipping. If I was a seller I would make it not possible to do it. The floating end time after the last bid would be how to go. That is what happens at a "live" auction. The auctioneer waits until he does not get any bids for a time and then sells the item.
Snipping is a trick to keep the total price lower and snip in an "steal" the item.
If I was selling much on Ebay I would make there be a reserve on all that I sold. That would keep the snippers from being successful.
I do not see how the seller is in any danger of a "bad bidder". The seller still has the item. The buyer is taking much more of a chance than the seller. The seller can just re-list the item for sale.
When I buy something I have to pay for it and HOPE that the seller is going to send me the item pictured in a timely manner.
As for the snipping. If I was a seller I would make it not possible to do it. The floating end time after the last bid would be how to go. That is what happens at a "live" auction. The auctioneer waits until he does not get any bids for a time and then sells the item.
Snipping is a trick to keep the total price lower and snip in an "steal" the item.
If I was selling much on Ebay I would make there be a reserve on all that I sold. That would keep the snippers from being successful.
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