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Funny post about a two cylinder Nazis!!!

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Vince's post below about his GP purchase reminded me of a funny thing that happened a few years ago.

A good friend of mine had a Styled "B" JD for sale. He runs a large construction company. Multi million dollar projects are not uncommon for him to be bidding.

This tractor had nothing special going for it. Just a common old letter series tractor. He was going to restore it for a tractor ride unit for his Grand Son but they found a different one to do. This tractor ran and it had been painted by some years ago. It was like most 60 year old tractors in that it had been modified over the years. That had not made him any difference as he was just going to drive it not show it.

He happened to advertise it for sale the week of the two cylinder show. He did not plan it that way but it just happened. HE was only asking $1000 for it and it ran. Plus the tires where not new but they where good 60% tread and not cracked. So it was really priced right and would have been a good tractor for someone just starting to collect tractors.

HE had 10-15 calls from guys all coming back from the two cylinder show. Everyone of them was an one day expert on how a JD tractor should be after having been "trained" at the show. HE told me that every single one of them spent more time telling him what was wrong with it rather than dealing with him on the tractor. The last one was an older fellow that was with this young guy that was wanting the tractor. My friend told me that the younger fellow was happy with it. The old fellow just went on and on about how all this was wrong with the tractor. Then the old fellow started to tell my friend how he was all active in the two cylinder club. The old fellow then started in on how worthless the tractor was with all the things that where wrong with it. It really PO my friend. LOL

My friend finally had enough of the old fart. HE told him that he was right and my friend would never want to sell something so worthless to any body. My friend walked over a 8 yard end loader he had setting there. HE proceeded to crush the tractor into as little a ball as he could and then he scooped it up and dumped it into his scrap dumpster. LMAO

He told the old fellow he could buy it back from China and to get the heck off his property.

My friend had been starting to collect JD tractors. HE HAS ZERO of them now. HE says the AC and IH guys are a much more friendly type of guys. I mostly agree with him on that. As the two cylinder tractors got valuable the old fellows started to think they where gold. They drove off many potential collectors with their attitude. My friend was the type they need. HE can drop big money on one and never look back but he sure will not now. LOL
 
I can understand his being mad at the guy, but to destroy the tractor just to make a point seems wasteful to me.
Zach
 
I'd heard about that type making young kids cry after they had repainted an old Deere and showed it off proudly at a show. That kind of thing is uncalled for. If something is wrong,grit your teeth and walk away,if it's a young kid,encourage them or we might as well put ALL of these old tractors in a dumpster because there won't be anybody who cares enough to keep it up.

On that note,we lost one of the best of the old time Deere collectors here just after New Years. One of the most easy going,encouraging old characters you would have ever met. The Deere guys lost one of the best when he passed away.
 
I've dealt in all kinds of tractors for the past 30 years and had the same thing happen to me with JD tractors. If I get a running John Deere tractor now, I take off a few good parts and scrap the rest. I have scraped over 50 JD tractors and will scrap as many as I can. One less John Deere tractor equals one less know-it-all John Deere owner
 
There are snobs into all brands and colors but the 2cylinder crowd seems to have been over blessed with'em. None of them do the hobby any long term good, I hate being around them no matter of they have green ones or my color.
 
Great post. I wish I had the money to do it also. But... Its the bark, the torque, color, the simplicity and just plain growing up on them that makes me keep a few around... Dont get me wrong, there are better ones and more comfortable ones out there... Wouldnt mind another oliver but parts are getting harder and harder to find.
 
There is a guy I know who is like that about AC. One of his grandsons got an AC a few years ago and showed up at a show to supprise the old SOB. The old guy sat there and told his grandson how messed up the tractor was and every little detail that he thought was wrong. The kid got rid of the tractor and isn't even talking to the old guy.

Rick
 
It"s in all areas of old equipment. I had a bale thrower of my New Holland 275 on Craigslist. I wanted $100 for it with a new New Holland drive belt that cost $90. So, basically $10 bucks for the steel and drive and $90 for a brand new belt.

I had all sorts of clowns show up and try to heckle, some guys just wanted to pick and choose parts others just wanted to give me $50. So the last guy that offered $50, I told him if it is here on Monday you can have it for $50.

On Monday morning I loaded the whole shooting match into the S10 and took it for scrap. Got $48 for the junk metal and took the belt back to New Holland and they gave me full credit back for the new parts! Money ahead! And I got the satisfaction of watching the crane guy toss it into the crusher.

The dude with the $50 showed up Monday night with the money and asked me what somebody else paid me for it. I showed him the receipt from the scrapper and told him to hurry down there and see if you can buy it back!
 
How many tractors spend their life JUST as they came from the factory? NONE!They have all been 'modifyed in some way or another to do the work the farmer needed them to do.Every little dent,'option'/modification tells a story.So every tractor is 'correct'.Dont get me wrong,I like em cleaned up,repainted,restored,etc.But the ones that have a little personal 'flair' are the most interesting.But to knock a tractor because its not 'right'/correct is wrong!That 'first' tractor to novice/kid that was painted with a brush is just as important as the one that someone spent 'big bucks' on-maybe more so.I think so.He is the future of our hobby,we need to ENCOURAGE them,not cut them down because its not 'Perfect'(there is no 'perfect')Screw the 'correct police',JD nazis,etc.I have no use for them. Sorry for the rant. Steve
 
Nothing worse then the "Originality Police", no mater the color. I've seen the OP berating a guys tractor, while a dozen youngsters were watching. And they probably wonder why there is a shortage of younger folks collecting. You restore YOUR machine how you want, don't berate someone else's machine just because it isn't up to your "specifications".
 
For a few years I was the one who greeted the tractor exhibitors and helped them unload and park their tractor(s) at our local threshing show. I ALWAYS had a good compliment about their tractor. Even if the tractor was a complete mess I'd tell the owner 'my neighbor had one like that and it was about the most dependable tractor in the neighborhood', or something to that effect. That got the person in a good mood right off the bat and hopefully he was in a good mood for the rest of the show. When I fix up my tractors I go to great lenghts to be sure every little nit-pickin detail is as near origional as it will ever be but I never expect that from others. We are individuals with our own beliefs and we need to be respected for that. Jim
 
Aw Zach it's all your value system. Those that have lots of $$ develop a different set of values. To that old boy that $1000 was probably what a penny is to us.
 
I do recall being at a show where an FFA kid had a tractor he restored- it wasn't a "concours" restoration, and fault could easily be found on several items- but while I was there, I didn't hear a single negative comment- everybody was trying to encourage the kid, and he was enjoying it.
 
First off for $1000 what do people really expect??

I have generally been a Deere man, but I do have one AC. The AC is my first most of the way restoration (some around here are even picky about what a "full" restoration includes) and it will be picked over because I did make one minor painting mistake. Painted the rear wheel clamps silver instead of orange, not sure how I got it screwed up, but I did. Anyway I think it looks better and several guys in my tractor club said the same. I figure it"s your machine, your money & time do what you want. I have seen a lot of pink tractors, reverse colors (like painting the rear wheels on a deere green instead of yellow), fans a lot of diffrent shades and even a purple John Deere. The guy liked the Kansas State Wildcats so much he painted his Deere purple & silver. I thought it was kinda neat...
 
It sometimes happens here on this website. Post a photo asking for help. or to proudly show off your machine, or show your work to this site etc. You will get several "looks good" or "great job" and then some will tell you how wrong it is, or how unsafe or unhealthy it is.
I take my tractor out in public and without a doubt someone will tell me the fenders should be ribbed, or the steering arm is wrong etc. Don't those who feel the need to point out flaws know that if I took the time to make my tractor look like it does today after it being on this planet for 61 years. I used what I had or used the better of the 2 that I had. That I as the rebuilder know of all the flaws? Do they think they are telling me something I don't know?? Or more importantly telling me something I don't care about.
 
Isee it too. At MMOGTA every year, I am immediately attracted to the oddball tractors and attachments. I really dont care about color, as much as watching the owners work their machines.

My life is too short to tell every one what is wrong with their tractor.

Most of you have seen my Model A I post on here, I have a few turds tell me how I hacked up an original 1930 Model A and ruined it just to make a hot rod with a big engine. If they were so good at being originality police they would know the chassis was hand built by me and the body is an reproduction steel Brookeville body. When I point that out, they get just a little pi$$ed that they just got corrected. I then ask them if they know where any originals are because I would really like to build another starting with original parts.

Rick
 
That would have been fun to watch. To each their own, but nothing like a "factory correct" restoration with a $15,000 color sanded and buffed paint job that is too nice to ever get dirty. They sure are pretty though.... Heck the factory nearly used a garden hose to paint them.

I would rather make it into a v-8 puller, HA!
 
Anger management counselling might make his life enjoyable again.

"I'll show you!! I'll just shoot myself in the foot!! And you can watch!!"

That story reminds me of our last preacher. Man I'm glad he's gone!
 
LOL. Let me tell you about the tractor my brother and I "restored" last winter.

Some time in the early 60's, we bought two mostly stripped junk pile 22-36 IH tractors at a farm auction, Seems to me we paid only $20-$30 for the pair and drug them home to the farm junk pile on the hill, where they laid 40 years until last winter.
Brother was a bit bored and wanted something to putter around with in the shop on long winter days. He got the idea that we might be able to make a running tractor out of that junk if we substituted a different engine and made all the sheetmetal. One 22-36 engine had spatter trails of rod babbet all over the inside of the crankcase,run out of oil ? Both had the manifolds gone for atleast 50 years and were long rusted solid. No mags, 1 radiator.
No hood or side panels, fuel tank had the entire bottom rusted out.

We took inventory, we had a complete chassis/ trans, 4 good steel wheels, three partial fenders to cut up and fabricate two good ones. One radiator.

We fitted the steel wheels and put rubber "parade" tread on them. Brother hand fabricated a new fuel tank and hood / side panels from new sheetmetal. In vented his own louver press to louver the side panels. Made 2 good rear fenders from the parts of three (the rear of the fenders is always smashed :(.

OK, we have a stock looking chassis, now what for an engine ??
Looked around the place to see what was cheap and running that might fit. found a little 1940's Wisconsin, mag fired, odd fire, V4 with rockford clutch and PTO.

Brother fabricated A jackshaft using the beater shaft and bearings from a junked Oliver cfombine.
The jackshaft connects a 60's Ford car clutch to the 22-36 transmission mounts a 3 groove V pulley and driver pin that connects to the factory 22-36 hand crank.
The Wisconsin engine mounts just above the jackshaft and drives it through 3 "B" V belts.

Fabricated an under hood and exhaust pipe that matches the stock exhaust outlet on the left rear of the hood.

It runs great,Starts with the tractor crank, looks nearly stock and is a fun yard/ show/ parade toy. Maybe $200 invested.

Most folks look at it and enjoy it for what it is, like we do.
We even decided to leave it with the 80 year old rust patina instead of painting it. Found a rattle can color called "Hammered iron" that makes the new sheetmetal and fuel tank match the 80 year old dark rust almost perfectly. :)
One IH collector buddy about had a cow when he saw it. quickly informed us that the hood, fuel tank and side panels are not "right" as was the engine. All this "correct" stuff is avalible, though you need to pay the price.
Waited untill his rant was over , then told him we were not a bit interested in making it "correct" There are hundreds or thousands of correct ones out there, they all look and run exactly the same and do not rate a second look from us.
Ours is cheap, fun and one of a kind. Why would we want to exchange that for a "correct" one LOL.
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It"s common for the "have nots" to be jealous and find fault with the "haves".
See it at bike gatherings where there are Harley"s in one group and everybody else in the other group that wish they had a Harley.
See it at tractor shows where there are Deere"s in one group and everybody else in the other group .that wish which they could afford a tractor from a company that had not gone broke.
 
Sure, if he set fire to a $1,000 bill I would not care but tractors and many other things have an intrinsic value in my opinion that is somewhat separate from their price.
Zach
 
(quoted from post at 11:42:29 02/11/13) It"s common for the "have nots" to be jealous and find fault with the "haves".
See it at bike gatherings where there are Harley"s in one group and everybody else in the other group that wish they had a Harley.
See it at tractor shows where there are Deere"s in one group and everybody else in the other group .that wish which they could afford a tractor from a company that had not gone broke.
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LOL thats funny! I'm mostly color blind on tractors. Just really don't care for AC.

Rick
 
Yeah right LOL :)
How do you make an International run as good as a 2 cyl deere ? You grab a hammer and break off two sparkplugs so it goes put put.
 
What a coincidence, I have a 22-36 sitting in the shop now in pieces waiting to be put back in running condition. Its been in my tool shed for about 15 years, in a barn for many years before I bought it. The fenders are pretty raggedy and the hood and side curtains are non existant. It was a sawmill tractor, so it sat out most of its working life. Back in its heyday sawyers took the mill to the logs, rather than the logs to the mill.

I knew the man who bought the tractor new in 1929 and several of his surviving children. That adds to the pleasure of bringing back to life an 84 year old tractor. Its been fun so far finding needed parts, including a used sleeve from a member of this forum. The head is being refurbished at a local shop by a nephew. The next job is to remove and unstick its multidisc clutch. Its an interesting hobby. Joe
 
Most of those types are just trying to provide friendly constructive criticism, but their "people skills" have long since abandoned them.
 
Great story, good luck with getting it done.
A serial number check shows our 22-36 is also a 1929.
At tractor shows, we tape this poster on the front to give ourselvs and show patrons a good laugh. Remember the Green Scres TV show of the 60's ? :)
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The ones that get me are the people at an auction that are looking over a tractor with some damaged sheet metal and announce they wouldn't give $100 for a 'piece of junk' like that when the tractor is in great mechanical condition are is a tractor with a couple thousands $$$ worth of good parts on it.
 
John Deere is my favorite tractor: I collected them several years ago, and sold all of them in 1989, and started to collect the garden tractors. I have been wanting to say this for some time, I have meet some fine folks in the John Deere circles, but I would say there are more arrogant people in the John Deere collectors than the other brands. If you go to a tractor show there is probably a JD tractor with ropes surrounding it and no one is looking at it, they are usually admiring some other brand that people are not too good to talk to you.
 
Thanks Jon. Perhaps our tractors are close relatives. Mine is TG 124908 M. I am in WKY. Where are you? You had a very interesting story.
Ain't old tractors fun? Joe
 
Ours is TC or TG 100082M. We are in North Dakota.
Yep those old tractors are fun. Brother is rebuilding a 1955 model GB Moline right now.
 
I know how he feels. I sell round bales of hay to the horsey women. Invariably (they must all go to the same negotiation school!) some say that your hay is gonna kill my horse, it's full of (insert fault here). Then the next question is, will you take (insert % of asking price here)?

Well which is it, you roads scholar, you??
 
I agree,years ago I stopped at one of those roped off hi-crop tractors to talk to the owner,my son (about a first grader)leaned against the drawbar and the owner almost had a heart attack.I agree that if he had tried to climb on or finger all over it the owner would have been right to say something but he only leaned on the drawbar.Those perfect people have driven many from the hobby.The two-cylinder club has no time for anyone that does not have a fifty thousand dollar tractor.None of mine will ever be expo quality but we have more fun using them.
 
I like your post.We also need to remember that many people do not have the money,skill or time to make their tractor like new again.They should be able to enjoy their tractor just as much as the person with a perfect one.
 
Coming from somebody that has never drove into a show and been met with snide remarks about owning a Deere.
It's a two way street with more than enough blame from both sides.
Tell me it's not human nature to be envious of somebody that has more than what you have worked hard to obtain?
 
Suppose you have never had your tractors vandalized at a show?
Don't know what possibly has happened to the high crop owner.
. Can tell you what it feels like to have cooling systems and fuel systems packed with dirt and grass. Or a diesel having the ignition switch turned on a smoking a set of coils worth more than most folk make in a day.
So,Is it out of line to be concerned if some jealous may damage your high priced machine?
 
I am not much of an originality police type of person but occasionally I will tear a tractor apart MENTALLY. However there is always that one guy at a show that has the velvet ropes and mirrors around his "perfect" display. That tractor I have no problem tearing apart right in front of the owner. There is no room for somebody like that at an engine show in my opinion. A tractor that disserves respect will get the respect from a true ollector. We don't need directions!
 
I do not think that a first grader could do to much to a drawbar.I was visiting with the owner and he was tired or bored and leaned against the drawbar.He did not jump up and down on it or beat it with a hammer or try to steal it.It is sad that people will steal or destroy someone else's tractors.I do admire others perfect restorations and if they want to rope it off fine.It is the attitude that I have a problem with.
 
I have "restored" a few tractors, restoration being whatever you each define it to be. My personal feeling is to make it as close to showroom new as practical. I don't fix it if it ain't broke, but I make darn sure it isn't going to break anytime soon. I am also a JD collector, grew up driving them, so I know I have a strike against me to start off.
I think that to run down anyones machine doesn't do anything good for our hobby. Particularly so if it's a newer(notice I didn't say younger) less experienced collector. The only future we have is to maintain interest in this old stuff with the next generation, otherwise crush it and forget history. Besides most of the parts of a tractor that are not original were farmer mods that were intended to keep it running and usable on the farm. So they are part of history too, and a tribute to their ingenuity. For the record, I have tractors that are Expo quality and have been shown at Expo, and others that are somewhat less original. Many times I have had visitors with kids look at them and I've said "Do you want to sit on it?" or "Here, I'll show you how to start it." The look on a kids face is more important than any minor scratch in the paint. Sorry for the long post, just my rant for today!
 
I've seen similar things with other stuff too.

1. Model train club about to have it's annual show. Some members want to run a Thomas the Train on the clubs display thinking that it might get some fahters involved in the hobby with thier young kids. The correct police member threw a fit.

2. Black powder shoots. Had a guy who was high up in the operations of the North American Black Powder Shooters Association that showed up for some. If you were not dressed in the correct era clothing for your firearm of choice he would start chewing you out. Saw him drive off several younger guys just starting out. I didn't have the extra cash at the time so I didn't dress "right" and only shot in the informal events. He jumped me about it one time. He found someone that wouldn't back down from him. Plus I email the Association and let the club putting on the shoot know what was going on. Heck I was one of the guys who would ask spectators if they had ever fired a black powder gun before and let them try mine if they wanted to. Several people who tried have become friends and now they are black powder shooters too. All while dressed in jeans and a tee shirt!

The threshers club I'm a member of has several members who need an attitude adjustment!

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 19:26:41 02/11/13) Suppose you have never had your tractors vandalized at a show?
Don't know what possibly has happened to the high crop owner.
. Can tell you what it feels like to have cooling systems and fuel systems packed with dirt and grass. Or a diesel having the ignition switch turned on a smoking a set of coils worth more than most folk make in a day.
So,Is it out of line to be concerned if some jealous may damage your high priced machine?
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If a tractor collector (any color) is worried about vandalizem or any other type of damage on the show grounds or in the arena perhaps he or she should leave it home in the shed.
 
That's a funny story. They definetly failed to reach an agreement. There could be more behind it than just arrogance.

I can see how the seller might think his tractor is under prices after getting 10 to 15 calls asking about it, so he holds firm on the price.

One posibility is the younger fellow had stars in his eyes about tractors but really had no business buying any tractor at that time. The older fellow needed to talk the younger fellow out of buying anything, regardless of the price, so there wouldn't be be heck to pay when they got home.

Another possibility is that the tractor was not as much of a bargan as the seller thought it was, but the younger didn't know it yet. The older fellow look around the seller's place, sees all that equipment and realizes the seller has more money than the House of Winsor and the Pope put together, yet the seller still refuses to give the young fellow a price break on an over-priced tractor. The older fellow needs to prevent the younger fellow from over paying so he point out the negatives to either push for a lower price or get the younger fellow to walk away.

I don't sell retail for a profit, I sell to dispose of things I no longer need, so I usually price things to sell quickly. If 2 different buyers look at something I have for sale and walk away I quickly reconsider my price. I can't understand why the seller wouldn't just sell the tractor for $900 to $750 instead of the $300 to $500 he would get as scrap.
 
(quoted from post at 19:46:09 02/11/13) Sure, if he set fire to a $1,000 bill I would not care but tractors and many other things have an intrinsic value in my opinion that is somewhat separate from their price.
Zach
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Zach there are 299,000 more JD "B" out there to have enough intrinsic value for all of them.
 
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