Allan in NE

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Okay you gun guys,

I've got a large carnivore in my cattle, killing and eating baby calves.

This Remington Model 721 open sight just isn't working for me anymore. Threw 7 rounds at 'im this morning and missed every blessed time. :>(

What kind of gun do I need and what power scope?

Thanks,

Allan
 
This should do it.
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I think you misunderstood, rr- I don't think he wants to liquidate the herd, in the process. LOL

How big a carnivore, Allan? For anything from coyote on down, a flat shooting varmint rifle with good scope should do it (others will soon be advising on specifics, I'm sure)- but if its a wolf or cougar, they you probably need to look a something a little larger caliber.
 
Im a savage rifle guy myself. other than a few custom rifles I have. Savage offers several packages witha rifle and a scope. Usually its a 3-9x40mm. If your carnivore is a wolf or coyote a 22-250 be a real good one. If your talkin big cats or a bear Id say more of a 308 or 30.06. Scopes are pretty well you get what you pay for but since your wantin pest control and not drivin taks at a 1000yrds I would suggest sumething in a 40-44mm objective with a 12-16 power. Simmons is a pretty decent scope for the money. I have one on my h&r single shot 243 I use for beavers and does well. I prefer nikons or vortex scopes on most of my other rifles but those are pricey.
 
(quoted from post at 12:42:58 01/27/13) Okay you gun guys,

I've got a large carnivore in my cattle, killing and eating baby calves.

This Remington Model 721 open sight just isn't working for me anymore. Threw 7 rounds at 'im this morning and missed every blessed time. :>(

What kind of gun do I need and what power scope?

Thanks,

Allan

Well, you got a pretty tall order in and gave very little information. What killer you got on the loose and [b:c3eb5ff15c][i:c3eb5ff15c]how far[/i:c3eb5ff15c][/b:c3eb5ff15c] are you going to be shooting him? Pretty much anything bigger than a .22 will kill stuff and even if you do your part, a .22 will as well.

It also begs the question, can [b:c3eb5ff15c]you[/b:c3eb5ff15c] hit the broad side of a barn with your current 721? Is it the guns fault or yours? Alot of people, here included, talk about hitting a flys eye at 800 yards but as soon as they get up from the keyboard (or barstool) and walk into the yard, their inner Carlos Hathcock slips away and they cant hit anything. Bottom line, if [b:c3eb5ff15c]you[/b:c3eb5ff15c] cant hit anything, the gun dont matter.

Having said that, a Remington 700 in a caliber you can actually buy ammo for would work well for just about everything you have around. Scope power is a personal preference, some people like very little, others like high power. I fall on the high power end of the range but just remember, for accuracy, with a variable power scope you need to sight in and keep the scope at that same power. If you sight in at 3 power you shouldnt zoom up to 9 power and then back again. And never go to the midrange of say, 5. Variable power scopes just dont work that way. Bacause of that, I usually recommend a fixed power scope and just learn to like it, you will be better off in the end.

Caliber is not a huge factor, if you hit the animal it will go down (usually). I shoot foxes with an old M1 Garand which is 30-06. Why? Its what I got handy, it lives by the back door. Shouldnt I use a wiz-bang, super special varmit only rifle? Nah, you should see what the 30-06 does to a tiny fox, all you have to do is hit it and it comes unglued. The biggest part of caliber is finding ammo now days, might want to buy that first, then the gun.
 
243 will reach out a long ways, not much recoil and is flat shooting. 22-250 is another fun one that will reach out a long ways. Scope is your choice too many choices and depends on dollar amount. Leoupold is a top name brand but spendy. Bushnell isn't bad.
Problem now is everyone is panicking buying driving up prices for anything gun related. 223s ammo is hard to find and while it used to be cheap it is now high priced.
I don't believe in the spray and pray method so both the above are accurate for a long ways. Bolt actions are known for accuracy and not going to break the bank. Figure a good scope to cost 1/2 to 3/4 of the rifle.
 
We are headed through NE soon on our way to some warmer weather, shall I have the wife bring her 243? Anything under 300# less than 200 yards is dead if she sees it!
Jim has very specific recommendations, I wouldn't buy a rifle now unless I could get about 5 boxes of ammo at the same time.
When I was in L&M today I did look and they still have a good supply of ammo.
 
That was a JD prototype that was built by JD and they tried to sell them to the Gov back in WW2 but the idea did not go over well/ Based if I remember right on the JD-A
 
Allan I think you have dogs or Coyotes. I have a Remington 700 22-250. It is a great gun for this type of problem.

What caliber is your Remington 721?? Maybe you just need a good scope on what you have.

I am partial to Bushnell scopes. I have had good service out of them.
 
I assume that you are talking coyote size critters. Could be wild dogs also. I agree with others that we could cuss and discuss calibre for ever. That is not what you asked specifically. I own a Ruger #1 with a Burris 12 power fixed scope that really reaches out. Bullet type is important for critters, I use a 90 grain hollowpoint. Shoot a groundhog and there is nothing left. Almost any gun you buy will out shoot the owner. The Ruger is 25-06 and I re load. Ellis Kinney
 
You didn't say what cal. you are shooting, but any Rem. 721's that I have been around are good guns, unless it has ben shot out. any cal. will take care of any varment. The key is shot placement. You can go out and buy any rifle you want but if you can't hold it steady and get a good shot group no gun will work for you. Just take your time and get a good rest and you should be good. One more thing that is very important make sure your sites did not get knocked off sitting in the cuboard or pickup.

Bob
 
Allan I am going to get policily (sp) incorrect here. What you need is a rifle that you can throw a few rounds down filed just by pulling the trigger as in say an AR15 or other such semi auto action and then many some war surplus traces rounds o that maybe you can see where the lead if going and adjust you aim. Yes it can be very hard to hit something that is out say 250 yards and running for its life so you have to be able to compensate for that
 
3.5 rocket launcher.

That being said, I'd think for this situation, my Remington .270 with a scope would do the job.

Have you sighted yours in lately?
 
Should have been more specific.

I need a semi automatic. I like the 30.06, but the bolt action does not work at these long ranges.

A "shoot, shovel and shutup" running full out.

Allan
 
A 721 will take a scope. It should be tapped already. You didnt say what yours in chambered. I prefer to go with a bigger power scope and dial it down a little.

If thats not going to do the job I would recommend a Barrett M82 .50 cal 750 grain. If you"re steady 1500 yards shouldnt be out of the question. If you connect it will leave a hole big enough to run a drainage pipe through (keeping this farm related!)

Rick
 
We must have posted at the same time. Remington 742 Woodmaster is a semi auto, reasonable price, easy to breakdown. Or a browning BAR. 3x9 or 4x16 scope and you'll hit them.

Rick
 
Has your rifle bore and action been cleaned lately? If not clean it and check to make sure the open sights are not out of alignment. Open sights are good to about 100-150yds beyond that scopes are a better choice. Is your trigger finger jerky or smooth?????? I can shoot very accurate at bench rest, but free handed is a another story
 
Ok so what you need a say an M1 grenade (sp?) Good long range rifle and very tried and true weapon used as a sniper rifle in WW2. Problem i those are a tad bit hard to find and if you do they are also pricey but some such rifle like that is about what your needed.
 
Alan, from what you have shown us over the years, it would appear to me when you need something that is important to what you are doing, you get it.

In this situation, you need a rifle thats easily accessible in a hurry, say out of the case in the pick up truck or what have you, that you shoot well, fits you well and is set up for the range you need to hit the target at, and we all know you live in some open terrain, flat and so on.

I'm not sure what caliber that 721 is, and what kind of groups you can get from it say off a bench rest, with what ammunition, but if you can sort that out and can mount a decent scope on it and duplicate those groups at range, from a bench, then its more on you than the rifle. If this particular rifle just does not perform off the bench, you may have to consider something that will provide results, I'll use a savage tactical in a .308 for example,(I forget the model) that rifle and even though a shorter barrel is just a tack driver and performs like that once dialed in, easily, and I'd like to say every darned fool who picks one of these up can hit some tight groups, I was impressed by this rifle, given the cost to buy it and put optics on it, a friend has one, heavy barrel and impressive rifling, and he did not have to sell the farm to get it, anything along those lines would perform well for you. shorter barrel might even be better in the tractor or pick-up. You want that performance, simply put, in whatever you shoot, regardless of the model or caliber, and given the modern times we live in, something is out there that will fit you but good.

Optics, where you are I'd not go cheap, likely fixed is better for you, but just look at the specifications and compare. Ideally a range finding scope with graduated reticles will help immensely at known ranges, once you are sighted. Red dot or illuminated reticle, and something that is good in low light, meaning the last number of the scope dimension is larger, say like a 56mm wide angle like my springfield M1a should have on it. If this s.o.b. is eyeballing your herd, its fair to say you might be after him/it at dusk or dawn and I will say this, that there is no subsitute for optics, something that lets more light in, and has low parallax might be a good place to start when fitting a rifle, not sure about the height your 721 will allow, or what hardware is available to put good optics on it if in fact the rifle can be dialed in.


Personally, I just have to say I think the M1A I have is a great rifle, its heavy and was meant for an infantryman or rifleman, as a battle rifle, and its a lot heavier than most bolt action rifles.

.308 is just a versatile round, for reloading if you like, or regular ball ammo, or what I use off the shelf, federal powr shok, 150 grain, soft points. This rifle I can shoot well from any position, and thought its heavy, I have numerous times come upon my prey very quickly and raised up and hit what I shot at, deer, woodchuck, even muskrat, there are times when you just have to raise up and get it done, and this rifle does it every time. I like the person mentioned below, will use it for smaller vermin or large game, as long as the back stop is safe or no worry, most of the terrain here provides that safety.

The other thing is, not being a practiced sharpshooter by trade or a living, you can get rusty or what have you, but I can pick that thing up and use it effectively in a hurry, I saw a coyote park his @ss on my hill one afternoon, got into a sitting prone position and that was that.

The one thing I like about the action is the reliability, no civilian semi auto performs like military actions, or at least ones I have tried under the same conditions. I regularly shoot whitetail deer at 250-300 yards, and closer, a year ago I missed a buck by a hair on the first shot, and he was in a tough place to get a shot, but being a semi, the short window I had, I reset myself very quickly, and hit the vitals, a buddy of mine was in his stand and heard it and noticed how little time in between there was, had I needed to chamber another round, it would have been gone. I carry this rifle with full confidence in what I need to do, and regardless of what you have that is the priority, because its hard enough at longer ranges, ones shooting etiquette, excitement and figuring wind, elevations per the range and what you are doing factor in as well as other things. Its almost fair to say you need to develop a relationship with what you shoot to have that confidence. The optic on mine is an insult to the rifle, was like an $80 Simmons 3x12x44mm objective, yet its done the job, and the mount on these things, installed correctly, knocking around the cab or what have you will not throw it off, and I can use the peep sight under the scope if need be.

Many prefer the caliber for the prey, and other reasons, but when you just can't afford to have all these great rifles in calibers you want, its nice to have that reliable tight group shooting workhorse like one of these. My preference, everyone is wired different, and seems most on here give good advice, and the bottom line is I hope you get that sorted quickly, I can't imagine dealing with losses out of a herd that you nurture with all the hard work, especially during winter, best of luck in getting it done and please post back how it works out and how it got done, be interested to hear !
 
If you get an AR get one in 5.56 NATO. The chamber specs are a little different between it and .223, and .223 into 5.56 is safer than 5.56 into a .223 chamber.
 
I'm usually not a spelling corrector, Old, but there's just a lot of difference between an M1 Garand and a grenade. The latter would be effective on the varmint- and half the herd!
 
Well that is why I did the (sp?) thing since I did not think I had spelled the Garand correctly but did also fill in enough info to be known what I was saying I think at least
 
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Remington 742 Woodmaster is a semi auto, reasonable price, easy to breakdown.
Rick

You need to be careful buying a 742. If they have been shot much the bolt guide rails in the reciever will get chewed up. They are also prone to extraction problems from dirty and corroded chambers. Nothing wrong with one that has been taken care of and not shot to death.
 


Allen, The bullet might be the biggest thing here. You want something that will fly straight,and far, like a boat tail, then open up on impact like from a ballistic tip, for light weight varmints to a bonded bullet for bigger game. Most any sporting shop that shoots a lot will help you also.
 
22-250 with a decent 3x9 variable power scope on any decent brand/model is great for varmints and predators. Not heavy enough for bear but shoots flat, accurate, and the bullet flies really fast
 

If I wanted an ACCURATE rifle, the Leupold would be my ONLY choice..Zero it in and it will BE zeroed in...
Lesser scopes are not nearly as good...
A "GOOD" Scope should cost about what the rifle it is on costs...and worth it, too..

Work up a few different loads and see which your rifle "Likes" best...no rifle will shoot every load all that accurately..there should be one it "likes Best"..

Ron..
 
A Remington 7600 in .243 or .270 is a good combination of flat shooting and fast reloading. I'd go with a 6x fixed power scope with at least a 40mm objective. More power won't help on a moving target, and eyes over 45 years old need light more than magnification.
 
Do you know anyone nearby that still farrows sows in an older style set up and might use wheat straw for bedding?

Do you have a place to buy traps nearby?

We would connect 4 traps, either #4 or #3 leghold traps. You probably should go with #4 for coyote or dog sized.

Anyway, connect all 4 trap chains together and hook it to a grappeling hook type drag, or something real heavy so they can't go to far when caught.

I dont like to stake them down as the animal can pull out. If a drag is used, you will find them not too far off.

So, lay the traps out flat on the ground in an X pattern. Dump one gunny sack of sow bedding in the center. Now carefully set each trap and work some straw over the springs, try to get the trap to lay flat and solid so that if the animal doesn't step right in the center it will not feel the trap give. A coyote will be more spooky, a dog wont be as nervious. Set all the traps and dont cover the trap pan too deep. Dump on more straw when done to make it visable from a ways off. Wind might be a problem, try to find a protected area, but you also want it to stand out. If you have snow on and put this set up in the middle of a pasture where they can see it from a ways, they will go right to it. They can't resist the smell of hog straw. Cant guarantee is 100%, but with some persistance you will catch whatever it is that is pestering you.

My dad did this for his whole life and I learned right with him. My guess is that between us we killed 60-75 coyotes and foxes.

And if you catch a dog you dont want to kill, throw a blanket over its head, hold him down and turn him loose. Even if the foot is frozen it will generally thaw out and heal.

Good luck, Gene

For a gun, consider a Mini-14 rancher. I think they come in .223, and .308 and maybe other calibers.
 
Try a 7 MM REM MAG. ON A CUSTOM STOCK BARREL AND LOCK. COST LIKE HELL BUT CAN HIT ANYTHING OUT TO SIX HUNDRED YARDS.
Mine was on a Starr barrel, Santa Cruz model 98 mouser action Timney trigger and a 4 power Leoplold scope could cost more than $ $5000 today but can hold 1/2 in and 100 you can save money by building it yourself but I would check gun shows hey you just might find my old gun.
6.5 mm rem mag is also a very good long range shell. Remember you need power to shoot long distance.
Walt
 
BEAR in mind its not how many bullets you send down range, it takes only one well placed. A 30-06 bolt action wearing a good 4 power scope with a 180 grain bullet will take down any animal in the lower 48.
The secret to accurate shooting is practice along with a good rifle and squeezing the trigger rather than jerking it.
Open sights work well for most young eyes, but for seniors like us a good scope works wonders. A 4 power or no more than 6 power work well as they don't magnify movement excessively.
For what you paid for it, this is my take on your situation. Joe
 
Hi, Allan!
I"ve used multiple rifles in many calibers, up to .458 mag, and think we"ve all gotten a little "magnum crazy" over the last 30+ years.

I"ve also got a Remington 721 in .30-06 with a simple 4x scope (Leupold M8-4X) in low-mounted, 1 piece "Talley Manufacturing" mounts that is very easy to pick up a moving target and the rifle/scope with Remington 150 grain Core-loks will cut a ragged hole at 100 yds.
Are you sure your old gun, properly cleaned and remove lead from barrel, with a GOOD fixed power scope won"t shoot?

If you want to go the Auto-loader, look at a FN-Browning, or a good used Winchester M100 in .308 - -IM(un)HO, one of the greatest gas operated autoloaders of all time - -can find both on GunBroker.com.

Use a variable power scope if you want -- my preference these days is to go back to straight-power 4X or 6X, like the Leupold FX-3 6X.

Best Wishes!
John
 
Real happy with my 25-06 for things like that. Anything from that up to the popular 30-06 would work great though.

Semiautomatic I would go for a ruger mini14. Love that gun.
 
I use a Marlin lever action with 35 Remington ammo. It will take down most any large carnivore.

Use a Henry .17 for varmints, etc.

You might want something sized in the middle of these.
 
I have a Ruger Mini 14 (5.56 cal) that works pretty good shoots the 62 grain better than the
55.It'll blast away as fast as you pull the trigger.I've killed a pretty good number of varmints including coyotes with it.But for Coyotes the best defense I have are Great Pyrenees Livestock Guard Dogs they're on guard 24/7 and they keep the coyotes away.Also do you have trappers in your area? A good trapper can clean them up.
 
Hi Allan! I use a 336RC Marlin lever in 30-30 cal. (nice low recoil, but effective). Doesn't really matter what center fire caliber you use as long as you have practiced and have confidence of accuracy. Good luck!
Dave
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Take the 721 into nearest gunshop and have him mount a 4X power scope on some low bases.
Then get two boxes of ammo.
Tape a 3 inch bullseye target on a 55 gal drum.
Walk off 25 yards. I like to use a stool, and a piece of plywood on the 4 wheeler front basket for a table.Your bullet should be on the paper. Adjust until you are on center maybe a little high.
Walk off 100 paces. Using good rest on table, or truck hood, zero to be 1.5 inches high. Now that gun will put every bullet into a 3 inch circle from 50 to 250 yards.
Make the first shot count. There is no one that is going to hit a yote, cat, or whatever running flat out. I missed one running by me at 10 yards once with my SHOTGUN. Got him on the second shot though when I saw how far behind I shot on the first one.
Talk to some local hunters. They love to call and hunt varmits.
 
Allan won't find that gun. Winchester never made a 25-06 in the Pre-64 Model 70. But the 243 is very very close.
 
A Pre-64 Winchester Model 100 semi auto in .243 would be the ultimate. Read up on them. If you decide you want one I have one for you. Or the 308.
 
Caliber means a whole lot,I have Marlin 30:30 just like the one you have good brush gun but its only really good up to about 100yds.On the other hand my
5.56 cal or my .257 Roberts will easily shoot accurately to 250 yds.
 
Seven rounds down range?I've heard that all 3 chord guitar pickers couldn't hit a bull in the arz with a bass fiddle inside a barn, must be true lol. LOU/Like the guitar . practice makes pefect even with a rifle. wouldn't you agree??? LOU.
P.S. Throwing the rounds doesn't work, they must be fired from a weapon.just a little helpful information.lol
 
How much money you got to spend? Right now, if I was in the market for a coyote rifle my first choice for a factory gun would be a new Winchester Model 70 (made by FN USA) in either .22-250 or .243. I am a bit biased; I already own three older M70s, and two of them are in those cartridges.

Don't skimp on the scope or mount. Even varmint cartridges can generate enough recoil to knock cheap scopes off zero.
 
How about a .22 MAG? Accurate out to about 125 yards, fairly cheap, and easy to get ammo. Have you tried to buy .223 ammo lately? Thanks to obamy ANY semi-auto will be grossly overpriced, not to mention the ammo is scarce. OR, you find out why your rifle is off. A good 3x9 scope correctly zeroed in will be all you need if you are comfortable with the rifle you have. Six months ago I would have recommended an AR type or a Min-14 but those are getting hard to come by. Any weapon that you are comfortable with should be okay once you get it sighted in. Good Shootin'!
 
hey Allen--save yourself some dough-- take your gun and yourself to a gun shop that has a range-- he should be able to help you with accuracy and using the correct scope-- i know that you wear glasses and if you are like me-- take them off when looking thru a scope it took me a while to sight my 22-250 in but now is dead on at 300 yards plus --stray cats are now an endangerd species--- PS take the music you play and lure them in -- LOL
 

Mount good 3 x 9 variable scope on the 721. Remove bolt. Bore sight the scope. Ideally, you need a vise and an open door with a target 25 yards away. Useing padding to protect the gun, mount in vice, aim gun toward target. Looking through the bore of the rifle, move gun until the bullseye is in the center of the bore. Tighten vise enough to hold gun steady. Then look through scope. Adjust scope until cross hairs are centered on the bullseye. Go to fireing range, shoot gun at 25 yard target. Shots should be on paper, adjust scope until shots are centered and slightly above bullseye. Move target to 100 yard line, sight in until shots hit 1 1/2 inch high as described in another post. This process should take only a few rounds of ammunition.

If you shoot a protected varmit, SSS applies.

KEH
 
You are correct, but they can be re-barreled. the reason for the Model 70 is that it is bullet proof and has history. Jim
 
If your talking Yote's at a long range just how many at a time are you blazen away at??? Two Five , how many . And here is something else to think about RECOIL and how fast can you recover and get back on target ???? What range are you trying to shoot ??? What is your rifle dialed in at????? can you judge range with your old eyes ???? From 25 yards to 200 plus yards a 5.56 with a ballistic tip. Over 200 yards then ya need to get some more in line with A T T so ya can reach out and touch them. That is when a 30-06 comes into play and as for me a GOOD BOLT action is far better then semi auto unless your talking a M ! Grand or a M14 , not the down side is on target recovery from the recoil and just BLASTING away is getting nothing done other then keeping heads down in a fire fight . A few years back with my Grant Dick Mauser 98 in 30-06 i could lay rounds in 3-4 inches at a 1000 yards with a 10-15 second between rounds , BUT i doubt i could do it now that fast . BUT you must but rounds down range and you MUST KNOW your rifle . Then once you can hit a paper target each and everytime then ya move up to MOVING and that is when your internal Ballistic computer comes into play as just how much lead i need and how much elevation i need to make this ONE shot count One well placed shot gets the job done . NOW if this is not good enough may i seguest a M 60 mounted to a turret on the top of the cab with a MOON roof. And take and link three 110 round belts together . Oh and don't forget a green beam laser .
 
Variable power scopes are comforting to use but they have a much higher parts count and are much easier to damage than fixed power. Any time you drop or bump a variable power, check the zero before you depend on it again. Either a 2 1/2 or 4x40 fixed power scope are good choices for moving targets with a tractor gun. Any semi-auto that will shoot 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards in the caliber you prefer should do the job. Good luck!!
 
Variable power scopes are comforting to use but they have a much higher parts count and are much easier to damage than fixed power. Any time you drop or bump a variable power, check the zero before you depend on it again. Either a 2 1/2 or 4x40 fixed power scope are good choices for moving targets with a tractor gun. Any semi-auto that will shoot 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards in the caliber you prefer should do the job. Good luck!!
 
You want a rifle in 22-250 or 243 that will take out about anything up to deer sized game and the ammo is easier to find.Stay away from the remington 742 they had way too many problems.
 
Allen,
The least expensive route is to put a decent scope on the 721 you have and get it sighted in properly. There has been some good advice given in the other posts.
Some practice at targets will help immensely, even at still targets. Learn to shoot offhand (standing) because that is what you are most likely to be doing when you shoot at the varmint(s). If you can get the rifle steadied over a rest or the hood of a vehicle, etc. before the critters show up, that makes a world of difference, but may be impractical.
The advice about the .22-250 and the .243 are spot on, but not absolutely necessary. Main thing is to learn to shoot [i[b:8f32de29a2]]well[/b:8f32de29a2][/i] with whatever rifle you choose.

Myron
 
I don't know much about modern rifles but will tell a little story. Back in my youth I had a coyote(KS) running to the left and slightly away from me across a draw in a pasture. Little Marlin 22 semi that held 18 rounds. Took 17 to catch up with him. You keep scaring this critter and you will just have to shoot further. I DID!.
 
I have been a professional Gunsmith for almost 28 years. I would have a Gunsmith in your area mount a Bushnell Elite (good value you get a lot of scope for the money and has excellent light gathering) 2 1/2 x 10 power scope using decent mounting hardware and as long as the barrel on your gun is in good shape you should be good to go. Bob Odenthal
 
Well Allan, you said that it a large carnivore and you fired several rounds at it, but you didn't say what kind of carnivore we are talking about. Coyotes are not large as a rule, at least not by me, and they will scout on their own, but generally hunt in packs, especially where food is plentiful, like herds of cattle, calves. No matter what you do, keep in mind the availability of ammunition no differently than purchasing a tractor. What good is a tractor if you can't get parts or service for it? No more useful than a firearm that you can't get ammunition for, and believe it or not, even .22 LR is hard to find these days. One thing is for sure, out by me I must have the only 30.06s because even though most all else is sold out other than .22 WMR or .17 HMR by CCI, I can walk out with boxes of 150, 164, 180 GR 30.06 anytime, and have been. Try to find or buy .223/5.56mm ammunition for a varmint rifle these days. Two months ago .223/5.56mm was going for 27 cents at bulk of 500, 25 cents at bulk of 1,000. Now IF you can find it, it won't be in bulk, it will be in boxes of 20 at a cost of $1.00 per round, 55 or 60 GR. That's what I'm paying for 150 GR 30.06, and there are piles of 30.06, and that will debone a "small carnivore" like a coyote, from head to tail. Will certainly take down whatever "large carnivore" you are dealing with. I have a scoped Remington 700 30.06, love it. Another bolt, old Winchester 54 Gov.06, no scope, love it. Remington 760 Gamemaster 30.06 four shot pump, no scope, one of my favorites. Ever since I got my diabetes under control, no drugs and got my vision back, I'm back to enjoying good vision.

Don't forget, its no different than a tractor. No parts, service, no good. A great looking empty firearm will do no good against a "large carnivore" that is out there eating your calves.

And one of fellas mentioned having fired a .458 WinMag. That's a fun rifle. 500 GR rounds, about $8.00 each on sale, couple hundred yards, will take down any charging elephant, rhino, hippo, or tractor that is acting up and needs to be put out of its misery, that's for sure.

Good luck.

Mark
 
Be careful Allan. A fellow in the Sandhills shot a cougar in his pasture and hurried it where it fell. No one saw it and he told no one, not even his wife. Couple of weeks later several game wardens arrive asking to go look around his place. One warden stays in yard with the guy while the rest go into the pasture and return a very short time later with the dead cougar in the truck. Guy was in some trouble. How did they find the carcass? Must have been chipped because the guys lives way out in the hills, no one saw anything, and he told no one. My Dad has met the rancher. I fully agree with SSS just be very careful how and where you dispose of the carcass. Depending on what it is of course
 
Dragunov russian sniper rifle. 7.62x54 rimmed ammo. Long range, cheap .30 cal. semi-auto. Comes with scope. Check at gunbrokerdotcom
 
When you got something killing your livestock you're not going to be worried about a few extra well spent $$$ to get it stopped.A decent calf these days will buy a really nice rifle.If I was in his area (wide open long shots) I'd be looking at a nice Weatherby in a .25 or .26 caliber.
 
Allen, you are not saying what type of critter other than large so I'm going to assume that it's something that's protected.

1st call your DNR. Tell em they have a problem critter and 1. if they don't remove it or 2 issue a permit to kill you will sue for lost livestock. That will most often get them past the point of saying that type of animal isn't in your area. If it's a single animal you need to have a serious look at your current rifle and amke sure it well sighted in. If it is a pack you need to learn to pick a single target, shot that one first and then pick a second. I've seen a lot of guys try to "flock" shoot thinking that they will hit at lest one.

Rick
 
Only good to 300 yards would be more like it. Contrary to myths, the 30-30 is not a short range only gun. I have 2 winchester, 30-30 and the furthest I have taken a deer was just short of 600 yards,measured with a lot of baler twine. Ya I aimed about 6-8 ft above on that one. Most are shot at 200-250yards and I have yet to have a deer run away. I do load boatail bullets for hunting deer and use as a single shot.
 
Assume that ALL are chipped that not only gives coordinates, but body temperature. I know of a fella that had a similar problem, took care of it, put the aftermath of his problem in his freezer out in the garage as a trophy instead of disposing of it off of the property immediately. No one witnessed any of it. Days later game wardens showed up knocking at his door looking for it, and found it. He too got into big trouble. If it turns up floating in a river miles downstream or something else with a similar outcome, don't know a thing about how that happened after GPS showed it on the property, then roaming down the road at its normal speed. What happened to it off of ones property is anyone's guess. No one should ever get caught in possession of a weapon that matches whatever took it out. And if anyone ever hears rumors, they should never repeat them to anyone at all, ever. Not even wives or children. No one at all.

Good luck.

Mark
 

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