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Billy NY

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I never knew we had these around, escaped from hunting preserves, but am aware of the massive problems with these in other areas.

I cannot imagine having these with thick underbrush and marsh areas like is common around here, if they ever got a foothold, it would seem you would have a real hard time with eradicating them, maybe easier in the winter with snow cover? The damage and destruction they cause is incredible.

I guess the question I have is why do people create preserves, attempt to pen them, for the purpose selling the right to hunt or what appears to be stalk and chase, knowing they are hard to keep contained, and what happens when they get out and establish a population. I don't see this as any form of hunting myself. I don't consider sitting in my stand at this place much of a hunt, as I kind of watch over a herd of whitetail and take what I can to fill my tags. There is really no hunting going on, just a lot of sitting and waiting LOL !

I was wondering, can these Eurasian swine make it in the northern climate, wouldn't a harsh winter do them in etc ?

Interesting article, some odd statements in it, I really like the one where they discourage hunting them because it encourages hunting them, oxymoron, as isn't that what you want to do to eradicate them ? LOL !
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From everything I've seen, these hogs are tough. They can live on just about anything, destroy just about anything.

Only thing they're allergic to is lead. Large caliber at that. .223 bounces off, and even .308 isn't enough for some breeds.

These people that think they can contain them in hunting preserves are mostly interested in making money. They don't understand the ramifications when they escape and breed in the wild, or they simply don't care.

Then you've got the animal rights people saying, "leave the cute piggie-wiggies alone!" Even after the hogs come in, tear up their yards, and eat their dogs... Catch, relocate, release???

If they get to be a problem around here my smoker is going to be running 24/7...
 
They are just like the pythons in everglades, rabbits in Australia and need to be completely eradicated.
 
Both form hunting preserves, and also from domestic herds. Domestic revert to the wild very rapidly. Weather doesn't seem to ba a factor, they flourish in the wild. Reportedly in Michighan there are several areas where they are becoming a problem. Michigan's law allows a hunter with ANY valid license as well as any Concealed Weapons licensee to take feral swine. There has been legislation here to outllaw captive herds of "exotic" swine. Still shaking out in the aftermath. Those who have them aren't happy. But then, they stand to make a profit from pay-to-play hunters shooting their captives.
 
Up until around 20 years ago there was a booming business hauling woods hogs from North Lousiana and east Texas to the northeast states to go on hunting preserves, these were piney woods rooters that had always been run in the woods and they had to have at least 3"" tusks to bring much money, otherwise they were hardly worth fooling with at the time. By the late 80"s most areas had voted a stock law and hogs and cattle could no longer run loose, that put a dent in the trophy hog business because most people cross bred the woods hogs with blooded hogs after they were penned up. For a while after that some people would cross russian boars with the woods hogs and sell the pigs but it didn"t last long. Now a woods hog is ""exotic"" natural meat.
 
That was a good article Billy, I dident know they were this far north either. Hopefully they get them undercontroll. I wonder also what would happen to them if we had a long cold winter with deep snow?
 
There was a small(relatively unknown) captive 'hunting' herd north of here on the north side of the 'Grand Mesa'.There was some noise about some of them escapeing.The 'ramifications' of that possibility were discussed.Never heard anything more about them...
 
I never really got the hunting preserve concept myself.

Kind of like stocking fish I guess.

It always amazes me when the stocking truck pulls away from a local lake. There will be 20 guys throwing lines in, all happy about catching their limit.

Might as well just raise your own fish in a swimming pool if you want them that bad.

To each his own I guess.
 
David,
Go to Mud Lake Idaho and watch the jackrabbit roundup. They have to hjave it every few years to preserve their Alfalfa crops.
 
You just have to keep telling yourself: "I'm alright, I'm alright; It's the rest of the world that is crazy!"
 
Billy, I live in Washington County, NY and know of the preserve they are talking about. We have had a great deal of issues with their animals getting out, ruining land, crops, and causing issues on the roadways. I believe you can, in NY, kill any feral hog as long as you have a small game licence, im going to look into it.
 
It caught my attention, only 15 miles north of here, was just thinking of the problems they could cause in our terrain, not to mention all the agriculture. That area is still predominantly farms, always like heading up through there, to the Temco dealer and tractor repair shop, and you know its still rural when you see a Cat D9 parked along a back country road and has been there for years, around here the town or someone would likely be on you about it. I even saw an operational D7 like one of mine on an old farm, doing the same thing it did here so many years ago, nice area, I could see ending up there once they chase me out of here LOL !!!! Well, that'll take a good long while if it were to be that way LOL
 
Let one of them hit a 300 pounder with their Honda at 65 MPH and see what they have to say then.
 
Billy,

There are two areas in Michigan that have "herds" established. I think there may be more than that. The Michigan DNR website lists hog kills by county by year. They are out there.

A guy shot one five miles from my house and I am no where close to where the known herds are.

With the way the Michigan deer population seems some years, I think we will be hunting hogs and coyotes in 5 more years.

Rick
 
As mentioned below, caught my attention and of course not to ruin anyone's fun or business, but it just seems to be highly risky to fool with these, if they are that hard to contain, and the potential of them getting a stronghold established is likely or more than possible. Where you are is nice ag land, farms etc., hard to imagine adding these to an already difficult equation, of farming that is.

You must be familiar with the Waite Farm, I used to haul hay, straw and sawdust to them and haul sweepings out of there to Schuylerville, where the foreman or head guy at the farm has herd he raises for beef.
 
I cannot imagine someone thinking that it would be a good idea to bring them into an area after seeing all the problems that they cause. However it takes all kinds. I would personally like to try hunting them sometime, just too cheap to pay for the chance.
 
That's the thing that would worry me the most, the terrain around here with so many ravines and idle areas, these things can get around and have tons of cover, only time you'd be able remove that element is when it snows. They must be able to cover some ground and never look back, durable an dangerous to boot.
 
I was unaware that they had gotten out and have yet to see them here in Salem but the thought of them destroying this beautiful and productive land sickens me. My wife's family owns a dairy farm here and I don't want to think of the destruction those hogs could have on our corn and hay fields. I am a transplant to this county (grew up in warren county) but I am sure my wife's family knows of them.
 
I don't think you need a license here in NY to shoot a problem animal like that. I know if say a predator is bothering your livestock, you can shoot and kill them, so if a racoon was destroying a corn crop I would think you have the right to shoot it, I would also think it would be the same for these wild hogs too, but look into it to be sure thought.
 
That's another nice area, all along Rt 40, she likely knows them or the place, its behind the JD dealership, huge barns, don't stand still any where around the barns or shop, you will get run over, its crazy when the sileage starts coming in or a bunch of trucks are making deliveries there.

I believe there is an Agway up and or around there, Whitehall or Argyle, its been so long, but I hauled a record length set of trusses out of our shop to them, so long now, I cannot recall whether it was for them and a new building or what, they were 54'-0", had to be in '89 or so.

Warren to Washington must have been culture shock, going from mountains and similar to the nice ag land to the east and a little flatter.

We used to jump in the water at the old quarry in Argyle, before it went private, rumor has it they hit water and it filled up, equipment and all, no way you'd hit bottom from that 50'-0" drop, ( note to self, likely 30'-0' - things grow as we age LOL ). Was a great cool off spot in the summer.
 
Texas AG extension service conducts educational seminars to educate land owners about feral hogs.
One A&M doctor says the average litter is 10 and 11 of them survive.
There doesn't seem to be an enviorment inhospitable to them. They do fine in Sibaria where tempatures are much colder than Northern USA. They populate Southwest Texas where it's triple digit heat many days of summer and water is scarace year around. Conventional wisdom would lead you to believe that putting a sniper or traps at the only wind mill in 5 miles would get them for sure but it doesn't. I have said it every time hogs come up on YT,"hogs may cause more ill feelings between landowners in Texas than barbed wire did in the old days". Wild hogs are like a social desease,if you don't have them you don't want them,if you have them I don't want them. As far as containing them,there is a saying amoung hog men that if he gets his nose through a hole in a fence,he will go through the fence. How fast they run suprises everyone when they see it.
I say instead of passing out food stamps,give them a hand full of permits to kill wild hogs instead of oneanother with their firearms.
 
Wisconsin has a problem in the south west corner with feral hogs past 5/10 years. The university DNA researchers had a report 2 years back that the "feral" hogs are DNA showed about 1/2 to 2/3 "domestic" breedings with the "Great White" as used in many confinement operations the most common- but the Duroc and Hampshire close seconds and the Berkshire showed up in one- the sample size was 18 or 20 of road kill and damage contol shooting, shot during deer season 2008/2009. The kicker in some of the samples was the Russian Boar indications the same as the Tennesee herds that traces back to pre WW1 imports for private hunting and some "Texas" feral stock--some marker or a section of DNA strand traceable, need a DNA biologist to tell how. Court case was about a game farm operator that had a permit hassle in Wisconsin and was accused of taking Texas stock from his operation in Texas and turning them loose in Wisconsin causeing the damaging herd to be established. Jury heard the DNA results and complaining/prosecution witness prior record and said not guilty- it seemed that escaped domestic stock was most of problem, the Russian boar known to wander from Tennesee to other states and minimal identifiable recent "Texas" DNA in samples so prosecution hadn"t met burden of proof for a "criminal" malicious mischief charge. Mother raised a "escaped from confinement operation" pig with couple others before it ended in freezer, sister had a couple other escaped pigs wandering in ditch next to field couple years back in Iowa- and about a 100 got out of a transport trailer that was hit by a drunk driver in Polk county near Des Moines- some of their offspring supposed to be still loose in town"s no hunting areas. DNRs and politicians, PETA argueing- we need a cajun solution as in a "feral hog barbecue is newest cooking trend" to get them under control. RN
 
Feral hogs are a growing problem. They are in every state (even though 3 or 4 states deny they have them) and Canada. According to genetic studies, they are descendents of the Russian boar. As others have said, they can survive just about anywhere on the N.American continent. They are also spreading to Mexico.

Wild hogs do millions of dollars in damage to crops and pastures in Tx every year.

In 2010, the Tx wild hog population was estimated to be between 1.5 and 2 million. The population doubles every 5 yrs.

The boars are solitary and females travel in herds called "sounders" with two or three adults and generally, several litters. A female can have two to three litters of up to 8 each year. One to two litters of 4 per year are the "norm". Because they travel in herds, it makes it very difficult for a predator to take one.

They can be aggressive and carry diseases which can be transmitted to livestock like pseudo rabies and brucelosis(sp?).

They range in size from 50 to over 800 lbs.

Google "wild hog hunt".

North of our farm there are lots of row crops grown. Wild hogs were causing so much damage and crop loss, the farmers got together, got the necessary permits from the state and hired a helicopter and marksman. They killed 1100 wild hogs the first day.

We have them on our farm. The damage they can cause in one night is unbelievable.

Right now, the only way to even begin to control the population is whole herd trapping. Its time consuming and expensive to build a trap big enough and strong enough to get the entire herd.

Many people hunt them. To my knowledge, you do not need a license to hunt wild hogs in Tx, but hunting is not an effective means of controlling the population.

The first wild hog I ever saw was in the right of way between Interstate 30 and the access road. It was just standing there calmly eating grass.

They are becoming a road hazard. Two weeks ago, the former Cass county Ag agent told us of two incidents where a vehicle struck a wild hog on the highway. In both incidents, the vehicle was totaled.

Good news - According to the Tx Ag dept, in 2015 there will be a bait available that will kill only pigs. So many people will be trying to get it, I'm sure there will be a waiting list. James and I plan on trying to get some.
 
Study of the dna could be an interesting job. It's amazing that the eurasion influce accounts for as much as it does after all these years. I would like to see dna for a herd located in the center of Dallas-Fort Worth Metro(Irving). That area is home to a large low income population. I say the group known for resourcfulness kicked a few domestics out in the river bottom planing to hearvest for food. Smart thinking on thier part because the other perdominate group is well known as too lazy to skin a free hog,much less drag it out of the woods so they sure arn't likly to hurt the hogs.
 
Nancy, That bait can't get here fast enough! And I got railed on for advocating poisoning the whole darn lot, or gut shoot and let the Buzzards have their fill.
It is truly amazing if the problem in in My back yard.... It so No Big Deal!!, But let Feral Hogs show up in a another state likeeeeeee, maybeeeeeee NY and it is a big problem! What can be done to control the problem, NOW!
I stand by my original statement Harvest males up to 60 lbs, females up to 120lbs. Then.... Gut shoot or poison the rest! Night vision scope and very large caliber rifle and Noise suppression device, and a full ammo box of ammo! YeeeeHaaaa
Later,
John A.
 
The answer is GREED! The State on Michigan took action to make sure we didn't have such preserves here and BOY,did we ever catch the wrath of God from people in other states and from those who had been keeping them here,or should I say TRYING to keep them.
 
Texas 'feral' swine have a couple old Spanish Landrace with a mix of old american Razorbacks plus the odd later Great White- logical considering the domestic pool of past 100 years. Not noted to have much of Russian Boar in mix, but possible from a very few of thos boars in texas since about 1980. Southern California herds have very little of Russian Boar- the history of most of their ancestory is domestic stock released in 1930s depression when farmers lost land and didn't want to take some pet pigs to town to pay a banker- open gates on pen and Shoo! to creek bottom. Lots of Berkshire and Hampshire looking heads and snouts, ears on them with some of Spanish Landrace long legs. RN
 
(quoted from post at 17:08:16 01/07/13) The answer is GREED! The State on Michigan took action to make sure we didn't have such preserves here and BOY,did we ever catch the wrath of God from people in other states and from those who had been keeping them here,or should I say TRYING to keep them.
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That's why it continues being a problem and why I say Tx landowners are at odds. Tax payers have professionals to help with answers that when made public is ignored by those who paid pennies on the dollar compared to local land prices for land that's been used for years as riparian along streams,flood buffers and sediment basins. Thier greed prevents them considering consiquinces of incouraging feral hogs. The hogs not only destroy adjoining property,they destroy the bottom land's ability to prevent erosion and sediment being carried into reservoies. We don't own the land,we just have the good fortune of using and injoying it for a while.
 

I believe that we have them in NH too. Although it has been years since I have heard anything about them. Ours came from a hunting reserve that was fenced in many years ago by a club in the central part of the state. Apparently they don't get on so well in the wild here because the haven't multiplied to any degree.
 
The first feral pig that my sister-in-law saw was near Gainesville, TX. It jumped out in front of her car and the car was totaled.
 
I'm guessing the answer is yes, but no one mentioned, can you eat these wild hogs? How do they taste? Anybody try the meat?
 
So far we don't have very many in Ohio and DNR doesn't want them here.
Open season, no limit, 24/7/365. Any legal weapon including rifles.
(Deer hunting is with shotgun and slugs only)

I can't quite understand Texas, where the ranchers all complain about the hogs destroying property, but charge people to hunt on their land. I would think they would let hunters have all they want free or even pay a bounty to the hunters for every hog killed. That would be a win/win situation for both hunters and ranchers.

Myron
 
We have some here in northeast pa by some I mean a couple dozen and nobody knows for sure where they came from. A couple of buddies of mine have hunted them but not very successful they got 2or 3 seems they destroy so much it"s hard to track there paths also they just roam and don"t follow the same paths like other animals. You can eat them but they are greasy you need to smoke them a lot like a black bear. You do realize that if a pig gets loose from your farm in no more than 3 days it will be completely wild including changing hair.
 
we have them around us. Biggest problem is there is alot of timber land that is rented to hunters and some large hunting clubs. They want them so they can shoot them but yet they can care less about neighboring property. They even have guys in south Georgia that you pay him a couple of hundred dollars to go shoot one at night with a $20000 infra red scope. Once that article made it to the news channel, he couldn't keep up with the customers so he had to hire another person to guide and another scope. People pay as much to hunt them as they do deer.
 
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