How wide are your roads and shoulders ?

buickanddeere · Dec 18, 2012

What is the total wide of the road allowance in your area.? The wide of the entire paved or gravel lanes, eg Center line to edge of traveled portion? How wide are the shoulders before dropping into the ditch?

rd 2N in mo · Dec 18, 2012

For 2 lane the county right of way in Mo varies from 30 to 40 foot wide in most places but the curb to curb varies from county to county. Don't always find much after the pavement stops and the ditch begins.

JML755 · Dec 18, 2012

(quoted from post at 14:13:21 12/18/12) What is the total wide of the road allowance in your area.? The wide of the entire paved or gravel lanes, eg Center line to edge of traveled portion? How wide are the shoulders before dropping into the ditch?

Depends on the Class of Road and age. Paved/non-paved, Some county roads around me have only a couple of feet of shoulder before the ditch. I suspect that is due to the age of the road. Older roads built years ago wouldn't measure up to newer standards. County roads are 66'. Your property starts from the middle of the road but there is a 33' ROW on either side of center.

greygoat · Dec 18, 2012

Our County road, in Wisconsin, has a 60 foot
"Right of way". Our land begins 30 feet from the
center line.There"s about a 3 ft. gravel shoulder

tomtirediron · Dec 18, 2012

Generally at county level, bituminous surfaced new construction we are designing for 12' paved driving, 2' paved shoulder 1' gravel shoulder. All depends on engineering standards, funding sources used. At a very minimum we will attempt to grade and pave 22' top(very low traffic level).Higher volume county 1500+ cars day and up 12' paved driving lane, 6' paved shoulder, 2' gravel shoulder.

willie in mn · Dec 18, 2012

It all depends. Township road past the house is only 30 ft ROW, gravel surface is 24 ft. Besides that, the old cow trail doesn't exactly follow the legal ROW on some of the curves.
Normal county roads that were built or major rebuilt in last 30 or so years-
ROW 66 ft (4 rods), each side of tarred or gravel driving surface 10 ft, shoulder 8 ft.
Willie

MarkWV · Dec 18, 2012

one lane paved, about 12 feet total, unless there is a culvert, or a rock, even paved around a 12" oak in edge of road below me, crazy

the tractor vet · Dec 18, 2012

Lot of the township roads are not wide enough for a 4 row wide corn planter and most of the state roads are 24 foot of pavement and not much berm . Lets just say that moving large objects down them is shell we say a challenge . And now we have a couple BTo's that want to run the biggest combines up and down the township roads and they take up the whole roadway from berm to berm and in some of the blind dips and on coiming car will not see it in the bottom and one of these days there will be a major crash due to this .I have had more then one close call with just a LITTLE Massey 300 combine on the township road down in that dip when some youg guy came over the top flyen and i mean flyen as wheels off the ground it was lucky for the both of us that i was half off the road coming up the hill at about 12 MPH as he just missed me and he and i were eye to eye that is how far off the ground he was when he came over the hump. . Now had that been the one BTo that Camaro would have been implanted Steering wheel level in the cab of that 9850 .

Ken Macfarlane · Dec 18, 2012

The row is 66 ft, the chipseal is supposed to be 10 ft per lane, 20 ft total but it varies from 8 to 10 ft. The shoulder varies from 0 to 4 ft, usually around 18 inches. Much of the shoulder is too soft to actually drive on, you see the grader stuck time to time due to shoulder collapse when they try to fix it.

Once the pavement is damaged so the width of a lane is down to less than 8 ft they patch strips of the shoulder. Snow removal in the spring scrapes the pavement next to the shoulder off as its broken up and unlevel.

The road is about 200 years old. The best sections are on old rockpiles hauled there to make the road. You used to pay your taxes by fixing the road through your property. The dirt was first chipsealed in the 1940's.

In places my 102" wide trailer touches yellow line and dirt at the same time.

Brad Buchanan · Dec 18, 2012

State routes in NYS are 33 1/3' from the centerline of the road.

Larger routes have more obviously.

Oftentimes the land is not part of the roadway but the right of way exists.

Brad

Anonymous-0 · Dec 18, 2012

Wide enough for two dually diesel pickups to pass with ease....

Glenn F.

Walt Davies · Dec 18, 2012

We own all the land that the roads are built on so they don't push to get any more than the can get away with. Someday a smart lawyer will make them pay us for the land grab.
Some road are wide enough to get a car down some are wide enought to get a 30 wide piece of equipment down
You really take your chances out here.
Walt

Anonymous-0 · Dec 18, 2012

Just wide enough for the other guy to take his half out of the middle and leave you to fend for yourself.

Bob Bancroft · Dec 18, 2012

The total right of way width here is considered 50' for county and town roads. It's actually 3 rods, or 49.5'.
The county road I live on has been blacktop as long as I've been around. In some places there's a shoulder wide enough to park on, in other places there is almost no shoulder. Some years ago some braniac at the county decided to paint lines in the middle. That didn't change the fact that if two trucks meet, they want to do it very carefully. The only good thing going for them is the road is crowned so much, their tires could be scraping, and their mirrors missing! But with that crown, it's not fun keeping a loaded truck off a seasonally soft shoulder- or a thin, weak blacktop edge.
An Ithaca/Cornell retiree once exclaimed how they asked, and no one could show them a plan or design for our roads. I explained to this highly educated person how our roads were originally paths, started by animals, native Americans, settlers, people headed west, etc. They were maintained by farmers, as recently as my grandfather(I have the paper work). So they evolved. Gravel, then blacktop. But no planning. That's why the edges that keep getting pushed out, keep breaking up.

EricInSEI · Dec 18, 2012

Since 1905 county road right of ways in Indiana are required to be laid out at 40 feet. Older roads are another matter. The road that I currently live on has spots that I don't want to meet anything bigger than a motorcycle, and there are plenty of roads like that in our county. County and state roads may have fence posts and even utility poles 2 feet from the pavement (no shoulder). We miss out on some federal subsidies for road work because the federal rules require wider roads plus shoulders, buying the additional right of way from the property owners can be more than the federal subsidy.

This is Dearborn County, one county west of Cincinnati. I know of one road that crosses Tanner's Creek on the creek bed, no improvements at all. Driving can be interesting, to say the least.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 18, 2012

since 1995 our cowpathes and horse trots are widenend to 18 ft,, some are up to 22feet ,,ditchinand shoulders are plagued by rite o way

mjbrown · Dec 18, 2012

Hi Bob;
I have to believe the generally north south/east west lay out of the roads between the lakes was laid out by surveyors when they divided up the land grants after the revolution. There are some that were early trials too like 5&20 and Genesee street extension out to Cayuga.

BOBM25 · Dec 18, 2012

County and Twp road width varies greatly. Some 12ft or so, and others probably 30ft. Shoulders? whats a shoulder? Pavement edge, 10in of fine stone, DITCH. County is SLOWLY widening road ditches and moving them further away from the road.

johndeereman · Dec 18, 2012

My corner of pa not much at all. Put it this way a state road I travel with tractors has enough room for the shield on a NH 479 haybine to be rubbing the guard rail while the tire is right dead on the yellow line. Make that trip with the arrogant drivers of today there honking at you screaming out there windows at you. So I put the jd 70 on the haybine with the 45w loader out front for some reason the manure tines at eye level change people's tune. I've had triaxle trucks go from 60 mph to dead stop on edge of road within 75feet with this set up

Rollie NE PA · Dec 18, 2012

Township road ROWs min of 33 ft.
County road ROWs min 50ft, 20ft paved. Shoulders vary.
State roads vary according to class of road.

showcrop · Dec 18, 2012

(quoted from post at 15:32:19 12/18/12) The total right of way width here is considered 50' for county and town roads. It's actually 3 rods, or 49.5'.
The county road I live on has been blacktop as long as I've been around. In some places there's a shoulder wide enough to park on, in other places there is almost no shoulder. Some years ago some braniac at the county decided to paint lines in the middle. That didn't change the fact that if two trucks meet, they want to do it very carefully. The only good thing going for them is the road is crowned so much, their tires could be scraping, and their mirrors missing! But with that crown, it's not fun keeping a loaded truck off a seasonally soft shoulder- or a thin, weak blacktop edge.
An Ithaca/Cornell retiree once exclaimed how they asked, and no one could show them a plan or design for our roads. I explained to this highly educated person how our roads were originally paths, started by animals, native Americans, settlers, people headed west, etc. They were maintained by farmers, as recently as my grandfather(I have the paper work). So they evolved. Gravel, then blacktop. But no planning. That's why the edges that keep getting pushed out, keep breaking up.

Here in New Hampshire Bob, They are of course the same as in New York. It gets funny some times when some one thinks that they own up to the pavement so they can fill in the ditch if they want. So then they are told that no, the town owns a right of way that is a lot wider than the 24 feet of pavement. So then it is "OH, two rods?...... so that's three and a half feet from the pavement." So then just as in NY, well, no, the road never got built it just evolved. back in oxen days they didn't try to drive their teams straight through, they went around all the obstacles, like ledge outcroppings bodies of water, hills. Sot the road wandered within and often out of the right of way. So sorry mister, the town actually owns up to two feet from your front step.

Pair-a-dice farm · Dec 18, 2012

The state hwy in front of my house is roughly 24' wide of pavement. The grass starts at the edge of the pavement. All the new roads being built are 5 lane with probably a 10' shoulder on each side.

Bob Bancroft · Dec 18, 2012

Probably mostly. The two town roads which run north-south, east and west of me, are indeed borders of the some of the "military tracts".
Levanna Road, as I understand it, kind of wanders along a creek, and was at least partially apparently a path preceding any survey.

notjustair · Dec 18, 2012

Northeast Kansas.

It depends. The newer ones are very nice - each lane is wide enough for three tractor tires (the outside dual is on the shoulder). No real shoulders to speak of though. They drop off pretty good. Most roads around the farm here are just wide enough for two buses to rub mirrors. Don't ask how I know.

Many of the bridges on gravel roads here are one lane. The one half a mile west of the house is made of old railroad ties and rough as a cob. I cringe when I have to take an unloaded grain truck over it and will drive two sections out of my way if the truck is loaded just to avoid it. I don't want to be the one buying a new bridge or something.

ericlb · Dec 19, 2012

other than the interstate highway [ us 70] most of the secondary roads are about 12 to 13 foot lanes with 4 INCH shoulders which have a 1 inch ridge on them dont know which state idiot thought that one up, that will grab your front tire and pull you right off the road when you crowd it and i have to crowd it sometimes both of the company dozers have 12 + foot blades on them and even the grader, with a 14 foot blade on it will only narrow down to about 9',6, we wont talk about the excavators, and they wont narrow down, we run front and rear escort vehicles when we haul these, but some folks are just stupid...

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