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Corn on corn and chisel plowing no till ground

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I have about 60 acres I am wanting to do corn on corn on. It is good ground but hasn't had grain on it for some time. Can I chisel this ground and leave it lay over winter without having to disc or do any other type of tillage? Any advice from the experienced guys out there? I will be liming in the next couple weeks as well. Thanks
 
Chisel it and if you have time, disk it this fall to level it off. Disking this fall saves you a trip in the spring an it darkens the soil a bit so it will warm up faster. The disk isn't going to cut the stalks up as well in the fall as it will in the spring, but it will make the field blacker so your seed bed will warm up faster. Disking chiseling in the fall is a rough ride and you might have to shift down a gear so you can stay in the saddle but in my opinion it's well worth it. Jim
 
If planning not to work it next spring and just plant into chiseled ground, don't chisel it. You would be better off just no-tilling next spring.
 
here we chisel then leave it over winter then one pass with the field cultivator and plant. some times guys prefer to mold board the corn on corn fields to burry as much of the crop residue as possible to prevent disease and pests carrying one year to the next. hope that helps.
 
Any chisel plow I've ever been around leaves ground rough enough that it'll have to be worked later to get it level enough to plant, else't you will get very inconsistant planting depth (among other issues)

Once you chisel it, you no longer have no till ground. Unless it's highly compacted, I'd opt for a burn down followed by actually no tilling it next spring. IIRC you live not too far from me. No till works incredably well in these parts if done correctly. Other than a long time alfalfa field I rented last year that happened to be very compacted, I haven't done any tillage in near 40 years. Yields were much better than area averages this past year.
 
This depends _so_ much on your location and soil type.

Up here in the tundra on tight often wet clay, for corn on corn the more blacker fall tillage you do the better! With the typical tundra and 3+ feet of frost we don't get much erosion or soil breakdown over winter at all.

A lightweight chisel plow is not enough tillage, you need the 4 inch twist shanks and chop, disk, etc before.

Now if you are in light soils, or dry conditions, or way down south in warm winter weather, then my advice would be horribly wrong.

--->Paul
 
Thank you for your advice everybody. I will probably leave it alone as I don't want to break my no till ground up. The ground has hay cut off of it and cattle run on it for years but I feel with corn and corn and maybe some cover crops I can get the soil tilth and all back in check. Thanks again
 
I don't remember many people asking for help on how to grow corn when it was $1.50.

I think I'll keep my secrets to myself.
 
That's fine. I am 23 years old and have been farming since I was in high school. People like you irritate me when the younger generation is trying to get in when I am an old timer I have pledged to help them out. I have learned a lot of things over the years and at a major expense to myself since I learned the hard way and had a few older farmers screw me out of money along the way. Farming is a business I realize this but it is also a way of life and we should be helping the few left and the ones who want/trying to get in. Doesn't mean the younger ones who you help are gonna get big and steal all your ground.
 
Around here, moldboard plow or chisel plow it (when I think chisel plow, I think a disc chisel with twisted shovels) and then field cultivator in the spring, one or 2 passes for corn & I prefer more for a hay field that's getting seeded down.

I saw nothing in the original post that suggested he was gonna leave it in the spring and just plant the rough ground. Time and time again someone near the top mis-reads the post and then everyone climbs on board of how that guy was right, and no, it shouldn't be done the way you're thinking, even though the original poster never said it that way....

Anyway, in Wisconsin, we plow in the fall if possible, then in the spring we work it and plant it.

Donovan from Wisconsin
 
I am a young farmer too (30) and also started farming when I was in high school. This was my first year for corn on corn. It was no-til, and did not work real well. I averaged 105 bushels/acre, and up the road my corn on beans averaged 200. A lot depends on your area, here fall chiselling would be a good idea. I have also heard of people applying some ammonium sulfate to help speed up decay of this years corn stalks. You will need insecticide in the spring. I did not use any, and had big problems with cut worms and army worms in my young corn. If erosion is not going to be a problem, I think I'd chisel it up. I have been using notill for 10 years? and it offers some real nice advantages, but i think plowed corn on corn is more forgiving.
Josh
Josh
 
around here old pasture or hay fields will do better if tilled up,subsoiler helps too,you mentioned liming if ph is bad low mixing it into the ground will help act faster if done early enough, hay fields not maintained well have a tendency to be depleted of nutrients, low in organic matter and compacted,as for corn on corn do a little research especially no-till there are a couple things you can run into that can effect the proceeding crops nutrient tie up in old residue for one
 
We hired a neighbor to run over our only cornstalk field going back to corn with a Great Plains Turbochopper. It did a good job sizing the residue and pining it down without moving too much dirt. Made the anhydrous go on real good and with the residue managers on the planter will be a cakewalk to no-till into in the spring. I don't like to do any more tillage than necessary which usually means none. But have warmed up to the idea of a using a vertical tillage tool in very limited situations.
 
The more level the field, the better the depth control, the better the stand. It should look like a billiards table when you plant corn. IMHO.
 
hmm i know you were not talking to me but really if you don't have somthing nice to say don't say anything all. by the way most farmers are 65 and up and a small percentage of the older generations youth are staying on the farm. its us younger guys and 1st generation farmers that are the future. PASS IT ON. oh and even though corn prices are higher now, so is diesel, fertilizer, equipment costs, even the cost of living, and with this drought no one gets to take advantage of high grain prices. Normal yield here is 180-200 bpa but we got 40-70 bpa. we are all in this boat together, so be nice.
 
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