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I found out yesterday, a friend's son at about twenty years old can't find a job mainly because he doesn't have a license because he won't drive because he's afraid he'll hit something. Since he graduated HS he has held two jobs for about two months each. He told me himself about four years ago that his primary activity is "gaming", playing computer games. He helps once in a great while with something at church but he moves so slowly that he hold things up considerably. Yesterday his father was going on about how potential employers expect too much information and that the state government won't cooperate at giving them the help they need. Nothing is his or his son's fault. Two years ago I was at their home to help them with something and It was hard to find a place in the house to step due to all the junk spread on the floor. The three kids were sitting watching TV. This situation is on top of that of my neighbor across the street who has a son in the IDENTICAL situation. I was spreading a load of loam no charge for them and the wife told me all about it. Their kid was being mistreated at school so she pulled him out. Now he bullies them, plays computer games most of the night, sleeps most of the day. She said that he punched a hole in the wall once when she tried to get him to do something. One day the two of them were working on a major yard project, I saw him come out and watch them work for a few minutes, then he went back inside. I know that most kids are doing a lot and end up good despite problems during teen years, but it seems that there are more and more parents who are abdicating parenting.
 
The really sad part about the situations you describe is that when the parents pass on, those kids will then become our responsibility as they transist from being entitled by their parents to being entitled by the state and two more will be added to the welfare roles.
 
I didn't realize how wide spread this problem had become until the election. My brother and sister are 10 years younger than me and have become entitled due to my mothers inability to cut them off. I was raised primarily by my grandparents until the age of 12 and have a completely different set of values for which I am thankful. I realized during the election from comments and conversations with people my own age how wide spread this epidemic is, there are countless individuals in my age group who want their parents lifestyle without the education and hard work necessary to obtain them. This disgusts me.
 
I also personally know of a family similar to what you mentioned. Twenty something son, good health, never had a job, never lifts a finger to help, never had a date, no social skills, sits in front of TV and Computer playing video games all night n sleeps all day, parents feed n support him and YES no doubt taxpayers will have to support him eventually. Have to blame the parents to some if not all extent I reckon.... I read where this is the first time the next generation will NOT have it better and due to no exercise (play video games n sit n watch TV all day) will be in poorer health then the parents!!!!!!!

Oh well, county is goin to pot financially n morally and politically, Im just glad to have lived in and seen better times and all our kids turned out good, but too bad for the grandkids and the becoming Socialist USA they will have to live in grrrrrrrrrrrr

God Bless yall

John T
 
I have a nephew who was in the Marines, went to Afghanastan, but came back and now is just pure lazy. Lives in his parents basement and gets a few flunky jobs here and there. He has several nice girlfriends, but they eventually leave because they figue out he would be a worthless husband. He thinks that since he was a Marine the world owes him a $125,000 job and he cant find one so he is bitter. Just sets around and plays internet games. He has been out 5 or 6 years now.

Recently he has started posting photos on facebook of his military posts and him with his guns and uniform. He dressed up for Halloween in his Marine uniform with a black scarf across his face.

He is starting to worry me.

Gene
 
We have a great-nephew who is 26 years old and refuses to drive. Claims he can't pass the driver's exam, but I suspect he doesn't try very hard.

He has held a steady and responsible job at the local Walmart for at least 5-7 years, he simply won't drive to work. He lives in his grandparent's basement and they take him to work and pick him up. And as long as they enable him, he never will get serious about driving.

If he was my kid, I'd have told him long ago, "It's great that you hold a job, but you're on your own for getting there even if you have to walk or ride a bicycle.
 
We do not get cable TV, and the kids have allotments on the games. I believe it is lazy parenting that creates these kids. Mine are always complaining that they are underprivileged, but I am proud of that. I am a nnalert and do not believe politics matter.
 
Reminds me, yesterday after church one of the ladies in charge of children's church commented about several boys, one especially bad. Mom was in church but no dad. My thought is, when I was that age there was no "children's church" we sat quietly or.. paid the consequences, as in being carried out and spanked! Kind of like breaking a horse to ride. Spare the rod and spoil the child. As families break down we all have to pay.
 
I made it very clear to my two twenty somethings at an early age, 'LIFE AIN'T FAIR, DEAL WITH IT!'
One got it and one is struggling with it. Both now have a college education. The way I see it in my old school way of thinking, I'll always be able to find work. There's more to be said for a 52 year old that shows up when expected, follows the rules and directions and gives a steady day's work no matter how long the day, than for two 20 year old's that "might" show up, have all the drama in their lives, don't feel well and have to leave, and constantly have to be harped at that they are not being paid to use a smart phone. My rant is done!
Signed; 28 years as shift supervision.
 
(quoted from post at 09:57:33 11/12/12) We do not get cable TV, and the kids have allotments on the games. I believe it is lazy parenting that creates these kids. Mine are always complaining that they are underprivileged, but I am proud of that. I am a nnalert and do not believe politics matter.
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We were pretty much the same with our 3 kids (now grown). We had cable but no xbox or Nintendo. They were into horses and were at the barn most of the time, working, mucking stalls, riding. Didn't hang out at the mall or stare at a computer screen all night. Homework came first and they knew if their grades dropped, the horseback riding would be the 1st thing to go. Our kids also sometimes complained that we didn't have any game system, pool table, party basement, etc. but I said "Tough".

It's not easy raising kids but I can stand on my front porch and look at a number of houses that have kids (young adults actually) that never come out of the house, have no aspirations in life and the common thread is: they're into Internet gaming and their parents encourage it.

So I can safely say that I don't know the perfect RIGHT way to raise kids, but I can sure say what doesn't work as evidenced by just what I see in my neighborhood.
 
Look at the age of these kids. These are the kids raised when the government started telling us how to raise our kids. Parents were afraid to do anything because 5 year old kids were coming home and telling the parents that they were going to tell or call the cops. The parents instead of looking at the laws and know what they could or couldn't do did nothing. No discipline and no structure. There was a woman here in MN who's kids told on her. She was visited by social services who found that she had done nothing against the law but they lectured her about how to raise her kids. She told them that the next time she had problems she was dropping the kids off at their office and social services could raise them. Several months later she did just that.



Rick
 
Interesting topic for a Monday morning. There is a saying out there that goes like this, "if children turn out well, it is in spite of the parents, if they turn out bad, it is because of the parents." The real issue here is that parents have abdicated responsibility for raising children to other sources. Instead of teaching them morals and work ethics, parents send them to public schools where they learn mush. Then parents turn children over to the one eyed cyclops for entertainment and hours upon hours of useless video games, etc. I have seen the situation you describe time and time again. When my wife and I got married and had children, we said that we, not anyone else would raise our children. I'm thankful to say that my adult children are all doing well, gainfully employed, and well adjusted.
 
My neighbor and I share a long driveway, about 700' long. They don't let their kids walk down to wait for the bus, they drive them down in the car and wait with them?? I could maybe see if it was raining, but they do this when it's sunny and nice out. Oh, these people are nnalert, so I don't think you can base it on a political party. I think it's all because parents don't want to have their kids do anything, want them to have a better life. Like you all said, all it is doing is teaching them to rely on others
 
I don't know if too many just get frustrated and give up or if they just don't try in the first place. I really do think though,that too many try to be their kid's friend instead of taking on the responsibility of actually being a parent,the adult in the relationship. The one who realizes that they have the responsibility of raising the other one,not just coexisting.
 
I agree. What ever happened to the desire to have a good paying job and to take pride in what you do? I believe like most of you that the parents do not instill the necessary morals and responsibility in their children now days to get the most out of them.
Just getting kids to get a good High School education now days is a challenge even with all the help of computers.Is it the Goverment or is it the School system or does it lie within the family itself? Take your pick,..but I believe it all starts at home and the parents or parent have the obligation to ensure their children grow up resposlble for their actions and are an asset to society and not a deprement. Just my two cents worth.
 
he just told you his own problem, as well as the vast majority of young people, [ say under 30] their parents were the first generation to believe that it was somebody else s problem to raise their kids, not theirs, kids were allowed to just sit and take up space, when home from school [ if they went at all, i knew of one lady who home schooled her kids "school' consisted of 10 movies a day from the rental place, while she did whatever], and this coincided with the development of computer games, giving kids no reason at all to really do anything, there is a add on the radio now, basically rewarding kids for going outside to play at least 1 hour a day, say what? when i was a kid there wasn't much time to play, but lots of time for chores, when we did play mom couldn't get in in the house at night let alone have to shoe us out of it. these kids today are raised to believe that they dont have to do anything, the government will take care of them, they didnt pay attention in school they played games all the time at home, and they wonder why there is no jobs for them, they seem to have missed the part about in order to hold a job, you must first have the skill set to perform that job
 
Your friend's problem actually started about 12 or 15 years ago, and your neighbor's son would be outa the house on his butt the first time he smart-mouthed or attempted to bully his mom. Again - a problem that started 15 or more years ago. I can clearly remember the one and only time I smart-mouthed my mom. I was probably 4 or 5 years old. I found myself lying on the floor with my ears ringing and my vision blurred. Dad was standing over me and calmly advised me to never do that again. I took his advice to heart, and I thank him for quickly teaching me to respect my mother.
 
Does anybody wonder why this country is on the decline? If you make your kids work, give them a good ethic, your scolded by society as a bad parent. The sad thing it's getting worse. Government regulation is sticking their nose more and more into how you raise your kids making it illegal to give them a good work ethic.
 
Three things I made sure my kids understood were;

It's on you. It may be your "fault", it may not, but how you respond is on you.

There were no excuses for your actions. There where consequences and they better accept them.

If you are smart enough to know you have a problem, you are smart enough to deal with it.

Sad but true story;

When my oldest was around 9 she was told by the Ex that she didn’t have to listen to anybody. My Ex was one of those snooty “not my fault” people. Well she goes to school and proceeds to become disruptive in class because she doesn’t have to do what the teacher says. I was called to the school one day and told it was my fault by a cross eyed school administrator. I told him I could fix it and to give me a couple minutes with my daughter. I busted her but right there and then, followed by a little talk. The administrator asked me to stick around so he could talk to me after sending her back to class. While sitting in the office talking to this clown two cops showed up and proceed to haul me off to jail. County took all three kids, offered my Ex free air fare to come get the kids (she was 1000 miles away) and charged me with felony child abuse.

Five grand and about 3 months later, case is finally thrown out of court, I have the kids back. Ex didn’t want them and turned down the county. My oldest says to me “you can’t spank me, they told me so. I looked her right in the eye and said “you wan‘a bet?” Problem solved, well at least until she turned 17, that was a whole other nightmare………

She’s good now though.
 
Yup, seen this many times. I think there are enough farmers on this site to know 'you reap what you sow'.
 

All I can say is that the kids just have no "WANT".

They are allowed everything they could possibly imagine with NO expectation of Earning anything...

Oh, they usually will "help" if you ask, but they will return to their imaginary world immediately once they think they are done..

If you never "Wanted" something and had to work to Earn the money for it..imagine NOT wanting a thing that was not placed in front of you..

Everyone NEEDS to "WANT" something..it is "Motivation" and most kids today have none of that..
It IS an Epidemic of Monumental proportions and not one thing is being done to limit or correct it..
I believe it is a logical extension from their parent's generation..you know..the one that can't manage their own spending and begged the Government for a "Bail-out" or "Forgiveness" of their Debts (or Welfare)...
Since the Schools have become so "Politically Correct", they do not even Teach Cursive Writing..the kids cannot legibly write their own Names...they cannot be taught restraint or respect..
The Old "Woodshed of Life" becomes their teacher.
The kids NEED to be taught to set Far-reaching GOALS, for their lives..
The Schools are teaching mediocrity..
Are WE to blame..??
Maybe we are...we LET it happen..

Ron..
 
a friend of mines son just started driving this year, he is 23. he went thru drivers ed in high school, but he never got his license. he told his dad he was afraid of driving and having an accident and hurting/killing someone. he grew up with 4 wheelers, dirt bikes and go carts, his dad runs race cars, so he has been around. i have a few other friends who's kids waited until their early 20's to start driving.
 
We often told our kids: "You are free to do what you want - - BUT you are responsible for what you do and any possible consequences!"
 
My dad told all us kids this.

1 If it is after eight in the morning you are working or in school.
2 You don't work you don't eat.
3 You want something you work for it.
4 You break it you fix it. With your money.
5 Turn 18 pack your bags. Your moving.

That advice turned all seven of us into hard working people.
 
Don"t make any hard and fast rules. I have two less than a year apart. My oldest daughter was born 40 years old,never saw such a serious kid,she never worked until she got out of college but has held a job ever since. My youngest was the original wild child.I think her motto was,"Never tell the truth when a lie will do." She spent every penny she ever made,wrecked every car she ever owned. 4 years ago she got married and what a complete turn around. Her husband is Air Force and she single handedly has run their household including moving and setting up new apartments during his deployments.(She and our grandaughter stay with us while he is deployed.)
Proudest day of my parenting life was the day I overheard one say to the other,"You know,Even though Mom and Dad act like azzholes they pretty much know what they"re talking about".
 
I am surprised that several of you said this is the governments fault. How? This kid is not getting anything from the government, he is getting it from the parents. Governent did not make him a lazy bum...his parents let him become one.

It is time to quit using the government as an excuse for everything.
 
Grandma always said, you plant corn, you get corn. This is perhaps our deepest societal problem. Parents refusing to take a hard-line stance with their kids. I have a 4 year old nephew on my inlaw side and one day he reaches out, kicks my wife in the shin. If he was mine, it would have resulted in an immediate slap in the rear. Instead, his momma tells him to "say your sorry or you go to time out". What a joke and the kid knows it. Spent 2 min in the corner when it was supposed to be ten and that was the end of it.
 
Sometimes kids learn what they're taught at home...and sometimes they don't.

When my kids were small, sometimes I worked as many as 3 jobs just to make sure the bills got paid. I showed up for work on time, every day...never left early, often stayed over...went to work when I was sick, because the bills didn't stop when I stopped feeling good...and generally I tried to set a good example for the two of them. I never cheated on my wives--the one who died after 14-1/2 years of marriage, or the current one I've been married to for 18 years and counting. And while I like an occasional bourbon and coke, neither of my kids have ever seen me drunk.

With my son, he wasn't much problem when he lived at home; it was my daughter who gave us fits. Both left home at 18; my son left on his birthday, and my daughter left 2 weeks after hers.

Today my daughter is 28, happily married, with a 5-year-old son; she's about to start a new job, after putting in 7 years on her previous job. She has matured well, and is my best buddy in the world. She and her husband have lived in the same place for the past 3 years, and he's worked the same job for 11 years.

My son, 32, is sitting in jail, doing six months for a DUI conviction; when this one is over, he has the "opportunity" to transfer to another county and deal with the consequences of a DUI there. He has two children by two different women...one of whom he's actually still married to, until the divorce is final [in another state]. Right after my son went to jail, he was evicted from his rental home for nonpayment of rent, and we sold his few meager possessions to pay for his attorney fees. He WAS in the Army Reserve, and served a tour in Iraq....happy Veteran's Day in jail, I suppose.

My son was the "genius" in school; everything came easy to him. My daughter, while quite intelligent, had to work harder at it. I took the kids to church every Sunday, and did my best to live the way I was taught there...and encouraged them to do the same.

So was I a bad parent?

Based on my son's outcomes...many would say yes. Based on my daughter's outcome...many would say no. And sometimes it just depends on what the individual CHOOSES to learn, and what example, if any, they choose to follow.
 
everytime i go to town i see what this lazyness has done. just take a look around a few more years and white man will be obselete. stores, cafe's, service stations, gravel trucks,and telephone banking and other things is all taken over by "the dark people" as my uncle calls them. not only will the white man dissappear, but also saw on tv so will coffee become extinct in about 70yrs.
she's a changin world.
 
My son plays video games a lot but........I would beat his azz if he acted like what you describe. My son is 12 now.
So this kid is 20 YO and he doesnt even have a drivers licence? WTF? Kick the kid into boot camp, Navy or Army. That will straighten him up quick.
 
Part of the problem is parents want to be their kids friends and not the parents. Like parents buying booze for highschool parties.

The rod is not spared at our house. Our kids aren't perfect but they do work when then need to.

Oldest one went to the Indiana academy for her Jr/Sr years of high school, kinda like a super high school mini-college deal. Graduated high school with 15 credits. End of her sophomore college fall semester she'll have enough hours to be a JUnior will be close to "senior credits" by spring I think. No cars were allowed at academy so we didn't let her get her license until she was 18. No need to double the insurance $ when she couldn't drive anyway. HUGE break in insurance if you wait to 18. we know a few folks that haven't let their kids drive. I know a couple is was due to the insurance $ and were "good" kids...
 
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My Final Word/Aren't you glad!
Congratulations to the nnalert and Young People! You now own it. The next terrorist attack you own it. Can't get a job after graduation, you own it. Sky rocketing energy prices due to external_link's EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it. A nuclear Iran, you own it. Bowing to the Arabs and the Soviet Union, you own it. Another severe recession, you own it. A volatile border with Mexico, you own it. Trouble getting good health care, you own it. Higher heath insurance costs and health care costs, you own it. No budget, you own it. Our allies mistrust, you own it. Another few trillion of debt, you own it. More Benghazi situations, you own it. No one willing to join the military, you own it. Trouble getting to loan to buy a home, you own it. More dependency on food stamps, you own it. Trouble finding good employment, you own it. Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it. A World Government, you own it. The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it. A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table rather it is "Dead on Arrival", you own it. China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it. Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past, you own it. A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it. Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it. Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it. More government corruption and lies, you own it. More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamists, you own it. Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it. Your revenge instead of love of country, you own it. President George Bush is out of it now, and there is not another good man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way I am relieved that another good man will not be blamed when it was impossible to clean up this mess you voted for. Have a good day. God bless the United States! God is our only hope now.
 
700', that's nothing. I've seen mothers driving
their kids maybe 100' out the driveway to catch the
school bus. I just don't understand.
 
Part of it's parents, part of it's the kids and part of it's our society.

Parents- I grew up in a smaller community, my graduating class was 77 people. My
best friend in High School was a year older than me in the class ahead of me. My
friend's younger brother was a year younger than me but in my class, he got moved
ahead in grade school because he was "gifted". The younger brother- any
stereotype of a nerd fits him, he is smart, reads faster than anyone I ever knew
and would do his home work while playing the piano, especially if he was playing
piano for the chorus, school or community musicals. When the revenge of the
nerds movie came out his sister offered to take him to it (he didn't drive) but
she informed him he couldn't wear plaid pants with a plaid shirt and the pocket
protector had to stay home. He earned a national honor society merit scholar
award when we graduated. His ACT score was 33 out of a possible 36 and yes he had
very little to no social skills. He goes off to college to study computer
science, graduates from college in the same time it took me (5 years), but
doesn't do much, moves back home and doesn't do very well in the job market. As
time goes by his dad dies and the rest of the kids get married and move out, just
him and his mom at home on the farm. Fast forward 35 years, son is still living
at home, mom dies he's all alone and hasn't been able hold a job or continue a
relationship of any significance. I am still friends with the older brother and
after his mother's passing he tells me he feels some responsibility to his
younger brother to try to get him help and or insure he's taking care of himself.
About a Year after the Mom dies we have our High School Alumni Banquet, every
graduate from our school is invited back for dinner. I end up setting at a table
with one of my brothers, my friend and his brother. In the 40 years I've known
the little brother this was the most normal I've ever known him to be. Seems
maybe Mom was playing on some of his social problems to keep her little boy at
home for what ever needs she had, and so she wouldn't have to be alone, with her
gone he finally had to grow up (at 48 years old).

This post is already too long so I won't preach about the other reasons I feel
our kids aren't growing up. I have a nephew that was borderline but after a tour
in Iraq he's been worthless. Another Nephew is trying, but not having much luck
getting his life together, jobs just aren't available for him that'll cover
medication he needs. I think both these boys got kind of screwed up after their
parents used them as pawns to get back at each other after their divorce. Their
younger half brother- honor student, eagle scout and is studying engineering at
Michigan State University, but his Mom & Dad never messed with him to get at the
other parent or offered "come live with me and you won't have rules" (and I don't
have to pay child support).
 
You know,I got to pondering on this this morning while I was hauling cattle. When I was a kid,Dad was around here all the time,working. Same way as I was when my kids were growing up. When I was about four years old,Dad shopped for me for Christmas at the hardware store. Got me a tack hammer,a key hole saw,small vice,a C-clamp,stuff like that. Imagine buying things like that for a 4 year old these days. You'd probably go to jail.
I did the same thing for my kids though. Got'em tool kits,small garden tools to play in the dirt,things of that nature. They wanted to be out there working right beside me same as I did with my dad.

How many kids are exposed to that sort of thing now at a real young age when their minds are just starting to form? And I mean real young,2,3,4 years old? When Dad goes off to work,comes home and plops down in a chair instead of working on his own car,or in the yard or garden,doesn't tinker around fixing or building things in the garage to cause the kids any curiosity,what are the kids going to learn? They play with plastic toys,learn to sit in front of the TV,learn from their friends instead of from a responsible adult. So NO,in a lot of cases,people DON'T raise their kids anymore. At least not in the sense of giving them any kind of curiosity or even being a good example at an age when it matters. You can't fault the kids when they're in their teens if you didn't start them out the right way when they were young.
 
Some of this could be hereditary instead of learned. Marilyn has 14 brothers and sisters. Her dad was a hard driver and a hard worker. When he passed away his body just couldn't hack it anymore and it gave up and quit. Some of the kids, Marilyn included, are like their dad. They literally work until they drop. The rest aren't lazy by any means but they're more content to just faithfully spend their 8 hours and then relax.

I do know other families who whine and moan about how much they are overworked but they never get anything done, and I tend to think that's a learned behavior. Jim
 
Gotta be a Dave2 and fail to use people skills here....

First, you complain about todays youth spending all their time on a computer and not working.

Second, I see where many of you post how many hours it takes to farm. Daylight to dark or even later, and how hard the work is. But, at the same time, I can see where many of you have posted replies on multiple threads throughout the day (or all day).

My question is: How do some of you get the farm work done when you are on here posting all the time?

Ironic isn't it?
 
They are starting to release a percentage graduates of the military academies from their active duty obligation. 250k education and they walk into civilian life.
 
nnalert in full action.They are responsible for all the abundant laws
on the books.When I was a young you did whatever your parents
said to do for work without any questions.


Vito
 
growing up on a 60 cow dairy operation in eastern ky my sister and 2 brothers didnt know anything but work , no computer games , tv wasnt much,just cows and plows .were all in our 50s now ,my sister is one of the top mary kay sales lady in the world ,she still uses the dairy farm work ethic mentality to motavate her sales team. I put in my 80 hrs a week pouring concrete and moving dirt in centralky my 2 brothers truned out great. we raised our children the same way ,all work and no play didnt hurt me and it wont hurt them ,I am blessed to still have my wonderfull parents dad has slowed downa lot but with 2 new knee, 2 new hips last yr ,he deserves to and hes 81 thanks for all the post red every one
 
With his attributes, the military won't accept him. About 40% of current HS grads are too fat to be accepted, much less the attitude/motivation problems. You can't force them to take him. Do you want your defense based on his capabilities and ambition? My brother was lifetime Army, as a CO he had no reason to want to straighten out misfits.
 
Can't speak for anybody else,but it's a whole bunch quicker and easier from me since I got DSL. I use this for a home page,so one click and I'm here,just that quick. When I'm busy,it's a different story,but when things are a little slow,I can check in after breakfast,after lunch,ect in just about a second.
 
(quoted from post at 22:54:26 11/12/12) Can't speak for anybody else,but it's a whole bunch quicker and easier from me since I got DSL. I use this for a home page,so one click and I'm here,just that quick. When I'm busy,it's a different story,but when things are a little slow,I can check in after breakfast,after lunch,ect in just about a second.
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Forum: Oliver, Cletrac, Coop and Cockshutt Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:41 pm Subject: Re: front mounted cultivator for 770
Model 640 would be the one you're looking for.
Topic: Students drive tractors to school - with a twist!
rrlund

Replies: 12
Views: 120
Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Students drive tractors to school - with a twist!
I missed that. That must be why my sister in law was asking some of the girls the other night,if they drove their tractors to school.
Topic: Do people raise their kids anymore?
rrlund

Replies: 48
Views: 271
Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:29 pm Subject: Re: Do people raise their kids anymore?
I don't know if too many just get frustrated and give up or if they just don't try in the first place. I really do think though,that too many try to be their kid's friend instead of taking on the resp ...
Topic: A day for GordoSD
rrlund

Replies: 9
Views: 62
Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:04 am Subject: Re: A day for GordoSD
Evidently. I wasn't the one who wanted to start the alphabet dog breed thing,but might as well keep it going.
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I see your point, you cant polish a piece of crap.
It seems to me that the only way then is to kick the kid out of the house and make him get a job. The no driving thing is super stupid, You would think that this kid would want to drive so he could date girls.
 
Yup, sure...here are some of your posts today...

rrlund

Replies: 5

Views: 22

Forum: Oliver, Cletrac, Coop and Cockshutt Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:19 pm Subject: Re: front mounted cultivator for 770

I made the huge mistake of cutting up the bar on one side of mine quite a few years ago and using the pieces to turn my 364 rear mount in to a 6 row. I've still got the other side of it here in good s ...

Topic: Pikeville, TN

rrlund

Replies: 3

Views: 17

Forum: Tractor Tales Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Pikeville, TN

Is that town that big? Geez,didn't seem that big to me. Just a fly speck between Crossville and Dunlap.

Topic: Yep it's Monday

rrlund

Replies: 4

Views: 19

Forum: Tractor Tales Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:13 pm Subject: Re: Yep it's Monday

Lucky you! I was out there in the rain this morning sorting cattle. Had to take some fats direct to the slaughter house. Nasty morning to even be doing the regular chores,without getting banged around ...

Topic: Do people raise their kids anymore?

rrlund

Replies: 48

Views: 271

Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Do people raise their kids anymore?

You know,I got to pondering on this this morning while I was hauling cattle. When I was a kid,Dad was around here all the time,working. Same way as I was when my kids were growing up. When I was about ...

Topic: Shoulder out of service..!

rrlund

Replies: 13

Views: 52

Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:48 pm Subject: Re: Shoulder out of service..!

I did the same thing a few years ago. I hit a rock with the haybine,that the neighbor said he was going to pick up. Bent the daylights out of a couple of guards. Had the straightener on it with my rig ...

Topic: front mounted cultivator for 770

rrlund

Replies: 5

Views: 22

Forum: Oliver, Cletrac, Coop and Cockshutt Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:41 pm Subject: Re: front mounted cultivator for 770

Model 640 would be the one you're looking for.

Topic: Students drive tractors to school - with a twist!

rrlund

Replies: 12

Views: 120

Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Students drive tractors to school - with a twist!

I missed that. That must be why my sister in law was asking some of the girls the other night,if they drove their tractors to school.

Topic: Do people raise their kids anymore?

rrlund

Replies: 48

Views: 271

Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:29 pm Subject: Re: Do people raise their kids anymore?

I don't know if too many just get frustrated and give up or if they just don't try in the first place. I really do think though,that too many try to be their kid's friend instead of taking on the resp ...

Topic: A day for GordoSD

rrlund

Replies: 9

Views: 62

Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:04 am Subject: Re: A day for GordoSD

Evidently. I wasn't the one who wanted to start the alphabet dog breed thing,but might as well keep it going.

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(quoted from post at 15:03:39 11/12/12)
(quoted from post at 22:54:26 11/12/12) Can't speak for anybody else,but it's a whole bunch quicker and easier from me since I got DSL. I use this for a home page,so one click and I'm here,just that quick. When I'm busy,it's a different story,but when things are a little slow,I can check in after breakfast,after lunch,ect in just about a second.
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Yup, sure...here are some of your posts today...

rrlund

Replies: 5
Views: 22
Forum: Oliver, Cletrac, Coop and Cockshutt Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:19 pm Subject: Re: front mounted cultivator for 770
I made the huge mistake of cutting up the bar on one side of mine quite a few years ago and using the pieces to turn my 364 rear mount in to a 6 row. I've still got the other side of it here in good s ...
Topic: Pikeville, TN
rrlund

Replies: 3
Views: 17
Forum: Tractor Tales Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:15 pm Subject: Re: Pikeville, TN
Is that town that big? Geez,didn't seem that big to me. Just a fly speck between Crossville and Dunlap.
Topic: Yep it's Monday
rrlund

Replies: 4
Views: 19
Forum: Tractor Tales Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:13 pm Subject: Re: Yep it's Monday
Lucky you! I was out there in the rain this morning sorting cattle. Had to take some fats direct to the slaughter house. Nasty morning to even be doing the regular chores,without getting banged around ...
Topic: Do people raise their kids anymore?
rrlund

Replies: 48
Views: 271
Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:10 pm Subject: Re: Do people raise their kids anymore?
You know,I got to pondering on this this morning while I was hauling cattle. When I was a kid,Dad was around here all the time,working. Same way as I was when my kids were growing up. When I was about ...
Topic: Shoulder out of service..!
rrlund

Replies: 13
Views: 52
Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:48 pm Subject: Re: Shoulder out of service..!
I did the same thing a few years ago. I hit a rock with the haybine,that the neighbor said he was going to pick up. Bent the daylights out of a couple of guards. Had the straightener on it with my rig ...
Topic: front mounted cultivator for 770
rrlund

Replies: 5
Views: 22
Forum: Oliver, Cletrac, Coop and Cockshutt Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:41 pm Subject: Re: front mounted cultivator for 770
Model 640 would be the one you're looking for.
Topic: Students drive tractors to school - with a twist!
rrlund

Replies: 12
Views: 120
Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:31 pm Subject: Re: Students drive tractors to school - with a twist!
I missed that. That must be why my sister in law was asking some of the girls the other night,if they drove their tractors to school.
Topic: Do people raise their kids anymore?
rrlund

Replies: 48
Views: 271
Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:29 pm Subject: Re: Do people raise their kids anymore?
I don't know if too many just get frustrated and give up or if they just don't try in the first place. I really do think though,that too many try to be their kid's friend instead of taking on the resp ...
Topic: A day for GordoSD
rrlund

Replies: 9
Views: 62
Forum: Tractor Talk Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:04 am Subject: Re: A day for GordoSD
Evidently. I wasn't the one who wanted to start the alphabet dog breed thing,but might as well keep it going.
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Greg 1959, you are not really a jerk are you?
 
Yep. I'm not apologizing and I'm not the one who said I'm working 24 hours a day 365 days a year. I sorted off a load of cattle this morning and took them to the slaughter house. Moved some gates back where they belong after dinner. Got a steer in the barn that didn't look too good,gave him a shot of Mocotil. Put the 4 wheeler back together,tightened up some barbed wire fence in the lane,bedded the cattle in the finishing barns and did the afternoon feeding. But it's been raining and drizzly,windy and cold as all h3ll,so I'm not going to stand outside and look for things to do when the weather's supposed to be decent the rest of the week. My corn's all picked,stalks are baled,all but one calf is weaned. It's nice to have some time on my hands.
 

No Sir, I do not intend to be a jerk. I just based my opinions on the research of the history of posters and the time spent reading said posts.
 
(quoted from post at 14:53:26 11/12/12) give it up this is not a dem or repub thing it is a bad or lazzzzy parent thing
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Brandon, I think that you would have to agree that liberals tend to be nnalert and it is the abundant nnalert who have pushed the legislation that makes disciplining your own child a crime, punishable with jail time. I believe that legislation such as this, is one of our society's greatest problems. Some children don't need corporal punishment, most do. My son who is now in corporate management and holds a divinity degree needed spankings daily. He had a tough time to keep from breaking rules like not running around in the parking lot as people are leaving church. An activity that could have gotten him killed. And yes, he spanks his own kids, but always in private to avoid being turned in by the nnalert.
 
(quoted from post at 23:43:13 11/12/12) Yep. I'm not apologizing and I'm not the one who said I'm working 24 hours a day 365 days a year. I sorted off a load of cattle this morning and took them to the slaughter house. Moved some gates back where they belong after dinner. Got a steer in the barn that didn't look too good,gave him a shot of Mocotil. Put the 4 wheeler back together,tightened up some barbed wire fence in the lane,bedded the cattle in the finishing barns and did the afternoon feeding. But it's been raining and drizzly,windy and cold as all h3ll,so I'm not going to stand outside and look for things to do when the weather's supposed to be decent the rest of the week. My corn's all picked,stalks are baled,all but one calf is weaned. It's nice to have some time on my hands.
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But you still found time to read posts and respond.
 
(quoted from post at 16:21:28 11/12/12)
(quoted from post at 23:43:13 11/12/12) Yep. I'm not apologizing and I'm not the one who said I'm working 24 hours a day 365 days a year. I sorted off a load of cattle this morning and took them to the slaughter house. Moved some gates back where they belong after dinner. Got a steer in the barn that didn't look too good,gave him a shot of Mocotil. Put the 4 wheeler back together,tightened up some barbed wire fence in the lane,bedded the cattle in the finishing barns and did the afternoon feeding. But it's been raining and drizzly,windy and cold as all h3ll,so I'm not going to stand outside and look for things to do when the weather's supposed to be decent the rest of the week. My corn's all picked,stalks are baled,all but one calf is weaned. It's nice to have some time on my hands.
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But you still found time to read posts and respond.
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Greg 1959, i think probably that everyone else in the free world would say sure "time on my hands" why not read some posts and respond to a few.
 
My wife says now and then about the kids, "He wouldn't let me dress him," or "He wouldn't stay in his room for a nap" and I will respond "Who's in charge here?" She gets mad at me when I do. I make them listen to me, and then she wonders why they don't respect or listen to her..........
 
(quoted from post at 00:29:42 11/13/12)
(quoted from post at 16:21:28 11/12/12)
(quoted from post at 23:43:13 11/12/12) Yep. I'm not apologizing and I'm not the one who said I'm working 24 hours a day 365 days a year. I sorted off a load of cattle this morning and took them to the slaughter house. Moved some gates back where they belong after dinner. Got a steer in the barn that didn't look too good,gave him a shot of Mocotil. Put the 4 wheeler back together,tightened up some barbed wire fence in the lane,bedded the cattle in the finishing barns and did the afternoon feeding. But it's been raining and drizzly,windy and cold as all h3ll,so I'm not going to stand outside and look for things to do when the weather's supposed to be decent the rest of the week. My corn's all picked,stalks are baled,all but one calf is weaned. It's nice to have some time on my hands.
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But you still found time to read posts and respond.
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Greg 1959, i think probably that everyone else in the free world would say sure "time on my hands" why not read some posts and respond to a few.
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Showcrop-I enjoy coming on here and I have learned a lot. Thanks to everyone.

But, you have to admit, there are posters here that say how hard farm work is. I agree with them!

Would you please explain why some can post throughout the day? I understand Smartphones, 4G, DSL, IPADS, NotePads, etc

It's kinda hard for me to do the math. As someone said (80 hours a week working concrete). 80 hours a week is rough.
 
There were a couple kids who rode my bus, their grandmother would drive across the road, pick them up, and sit about 200 feet back up the driveway. When we stopped, they would all get out, hug, and walk to the bus. I wish Ralph would have just driven off a few times, there were days it took them 5 minutes to get on the bus.
 
As someone who works for himself, and typically put in 60 to 80 hours a week, I can answer that qustion for you, at least as far as I am concerned. For me if I'm working at the shop (behind the house) it's often on a project that takes time to research, etc to get done. As a result I'm often in and out of the house several times a day getting on the phone and/or online. If I'm on the phone, and waiting on hold, it's not that big of a deal to fire up the computer and check in on here. If I see something interesting I might take a minute or two to respond to the post before heading back outside, or I might not, just depends on how big of a hurry I'm in. Regardless of what I do, or how I do it, the work I need to get done always gets done. If I take a ten minute break in the middle of the day I then have to work an extra ten minutes at the end of the day. Regardess of when I put in all of the hours I still get them in because I have a business to run, and customers to keep happy.

That said it all comes down to one thing. If I have the opportunity to take a break, I take it, and enjoy it, because that opportunity doesn't come around as often as I would like given what I do.
 
The short answer is no. People leave it up to the schools. Go anyplace in town and ask if high school graduates can read a measuring tape or if they can work as a cashier in a grocery store if the bar code reader is not working. Bet you the answer is no almost every time.

I went to a "mom and Pop" shoe store today. The young man that helped me figured the bill by hand on paper. Guess where I'm going back for my next pair of shoes? That is if the big box stores don't run them out of busines.
 
A couple humorous observations. I took an exam for the Postal Service several years ago. I don't remember how the exam proctor got off on to his observation about how many hours a normal person works but his claim was extremely few people honestly work over 40 hours a week. This person was adamant about this to the point I thought his eyes were going to bug out of his head.
There was an old farmer who came into the Central Tractor store where I worked many many years ago. He claimed most people were good on their claim if they said they worked up to 50 to 55 hours a week. Past that he always said that the hours claimed to be worked were inversely proportional to the hours actually worked.
 
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