Hauiling in New York state?

Headed to Buffalow New York to pick up a crawler have a f250 diesel an 14k trailer crawler weighs 5500 pounds anything special I should know? Route from Ohio will be route 11 north Ohio across 90 In pa and 86 In New York. Anything I should look out for? Do u guys stop at weigh stations with your personal rig picking up a new restoration project for your collection?

Be sure to get a bill of sale- If you can't prove you're the owner of the crawler, hauling it for yourself, you be in a heap o' trouble, boy.

As far as stopping at weigh stations, it varies by state- check it out before you go. The most guff I've been given at a weigh station is "Why are you stopping and wasting our time?"

(quoted from post at 11:47:24 09/12/12) Headed to Buffalow New York to pick up a crawler have a f250 diesel an 14k trailer crawler weighs 5500 pounds anything special I should know? Route from Ohio will be route 11 north Ohio across 90 In pa and 86 In New York. Anything I should look out for? Do u guys stop at weigh stations with your personal rig picking up a new restoration project for your collection?

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Jim as far as FED DOT laws go your Golden. No CDL or special permits or licenses. I would drive right on past any weight stations, was I in your situation. The only sticking points I see are NY DOT laws and the fact that your going after a Crawler. Everybody knows afarm tractor is used for farm or personal business. A crawler, is used in the minds of most people in an industral situation, so should there be some questions, you may have some fast talking to do.

NY is a state that doesn't think TEA means "Taxed Enough Already". So anything is possible, in a state that loves O P M contributions to the states coffers.

A bill of sale is a must have, even written on a piece of paper. A minimum of four NEW clearly marked G70 rated chains and binders (everybody knows Bull dozers are heavy). Over kill is better, don't let facts cloud the issue.

Your a person collecting Ag crawlers for a hobby. Have pics of Crawlers doing Ag work. New JD or Challangers comes to mind, better yet the type you are going after. Apperances are everything, old rusted chains and binders, have the appearance of being used to tie down alot of loads. New ones lend credence to the notion, that it is a hobby and you wanted to do it right when you hauled it home (no shortcuts for my new pride and joy).

Make sure all your lights are working and visable. Red tail lights on a red trailer don't show up well during the day (invites a friendly chat with man in the Smokey the Bear Hat). Apperances,Apperances,Apperances. If you like like a problem waiting to happen they'll try to give you one sooner rather than later.

This link says it all. If your a business. You need DOT# both FED and State. As long as you are not a business you need no permits. ETC,ETC,

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/op...-licensing Good luck, and don't sweat it.

Watch your speed on 90 around Erie. It is 55 and they WILL nail you. Be safe.

As an over the road trucker I have this to say, DO NOT STOP AT SCALES. It depends on the day, but you can either make them angry by wasting their time or give them an opportunity to make their day go faster by giving you an inspection. If you go past with a farm truck/trailer they will have to really want you to come out and stop ya. The laws very greatly from state to state as to wether you need to stop, but most don't and are not bothered. You should practice you "dumb farmer" routine before you go tho, just in case. lol.

Stack square bales around it and make it look like a load of hay.

That sounds like something that went on around here once a upon a time, only those boys didn't pay for the merchandise underneath. :shock:

Crossing stateliness is a NO NO for unlicensed farm trailers. I pretty much haul what I want though town or other wise but I try to have lights even if only the type with magnets. In Oregon you must have a GVW over 20,000 lbs to have to stop. In calif the sign says no pickups. Hey I passed a Ford F650 with a pickup bed and a huge 5th wheel trailer, now does he have to stop in Calif or not.
Walt

Crossing stateliness is a NO NO for unlicensed farm trailers. I pretty much haul what I want though town or other wise but I try to have lights even if only the type with magnets. In Oregon you must have a GVW over 20,000 lbs to have to stop. In calif the sign says no pickups. Hey I passed a Ford F650 with a pickup bed and a huge 5th wheel trailer, now does he have to stop in Calif or not. In Oregon just about anything with a bed and is called a truck I found this out with little Suzuki Samaria.
Walt

See what Walt says.
You may be better off to have someone else haul it for you $1.50 per loaded mile or whatever.
Total miles cant be more than 170.

Well, I used to haul with a light truck or van and a 16 foot tandem, and never was stopped, and always pulled in the DOT pull offs -anyway- just to prove I wasn't running or hiding. The only time they didn't wave me on is when I was carrying something cool that a grandpa or uncle had...
The trailer should be road registered in your state, have the reg and insurance cards handy, and check the hitch, tires and lights, tied down well-- don't come home overweight for the rig is the big thing, so get the numbers to match, there will be no problem. The odds are you will not run into a wandering inspection stop anyway.

I'm a retired NYSP DOT Trooper. Yes, you'd better pull in to the scales if the lights are on or are otherwise signaled to. If thye don;t want you, they'll just wave you by. A bill of sale is a good idea. More importantly, is this in anyway related to your farm or is it entirely a hobby type of thing? If this trip can in anyway be construed to be part of a commercial venture then you are into interstate commerce and need to comply with DOT regulations. So, whatever the purpose of you getting this crawler is, you'd better either comply with the regs or come up with an ironclad story on why it's not at all commercial. The guys aren't stupid and they've seen about every excuse you can come up with. Also consider, if you are using the farm exemption, that you'd better check your mileage closely and realize that by using the farm exemption you ID yourself as commercial.

Good luck.

Hire somebody else to haul it for 250 bucks when you already have the equipment? Really? Not me- no guts, no glory.

Jon below has the ticket (no pun intended)- dumb farmer act- "Oh, sorry, occifer, didn't think I had to stop, its just my own rig, taking it home." This tactic is especially effective if you're wearing worn out overalls, a frayed seed corn hat and dirty tennis shoes.

How does 390.3f3 of the FMCSA get changed in New York? That is what the federal DOT officer told me was my exemption when going to get MY antique tractors. I have hauled all across this country and am diabetic. What is your ruling on this. My truck is a 92 F350 licensed to 12k and an enclosed trailer licensed to 24k.

I appreciate all the responses My trailer is a 2003 Kaufman it does not have farm plates, and my truck is a f250 cab and a half diesel that is my daily driver. We use the trailer just to haul tractors we buy and collect. We do not farm or use the tax exempt for anything. I have hauled all over Ohio, and Michigan and never had a problem. The crawler is a 58 420c that is in good shape but needs restored for our collection. I would think one look at it and someone would know it is not a crawler for commercial use. I have 25k in my truck and 4k in a trailer there is no way id hire it done. Plus a road trip is half the fun. I have 5 chains and Binders and 5 2 inch straps. I figured all the chains and at least two straps. I think I will be fine but my old man told me to ask around about it. Again we do not farm, and we only collect old two cylinders, it's not a buy and sell deal and I'm hauling with my personal equipment... I think I will be ok. It's 273 miles one way to my destination. I obviously will get a bill of sale for my purchase. I think I will be ok. I guess we will soon find out. Heading that way next weekend.

If you wear tennis shoes they will KNOW you are not a farmer.

Jim I live in Wisconsin and I have about the same setup as you have. I talked to the Fedral DOT man in Madison and he said if you have a rig that is rated at over what the scale says PULL IN. If they don't want you they will wave you on through. If you don't stop and they come after you, you will have some talking to do. He also said to make sure you have safty equiptment, triangles first aid kits,ect. He also told me that if you are hauling your own stuff you do not need DOT numbers. I carry a copy of the fedral rule 390.3. Go down to Exceptions and rule #3 (the occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise) Print off a copy of the rules and if the officer says you need DOT numbers you can show it to him. Just don't get smart with him and also have some pictures of your collection.

Bob

(quoted from post at 15:09:56 09/12/12) How does 390.3f3 of the FMCSA get changed in New York? That is what the federal DOT officer told me was my exemption when going to get MY antique tractors. I have hauled all across this country and am diabetic. What is your ruling on this. My truck is a 92 F350 licensed to 12k and an enclosed trailer licensed to 24k.

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It doesn't change. Read what it says for exemptions from the FMCSA regs- "390.3f3- The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals [b:dc7aeb70c7]not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise[/b:dc7aeb70c7];" That part in bold is what puts either "In the book" or "Out of the Book". That's the very first question anyone wondering about DOT applicability should ask- Is it commercial? If it's not, you're just hauling in a parts tractor for your collection perhaps, you aren't even "in the book"...you don't fall under DOT regs. Now, if you owned a tractor museum then you have a different kettle of fish, but if it's just for your collection then no prob. If you are like me and the tractors you haul home are for the farm, then you have a commercial enterprise and have to go to step 2- " Is the GVWR or CVWR of the vehicle involved over 10K lbs?" If so, then you are a Commercial Motor Vehicle- period. After that you get into exemptions and such and that gets more complex. Add to that that some states, NY for sure, have adopted the FMCSA regs en masse. A NY resident with a CMV HAS to comply with the FMSCA- period. That made a lot of people really, really happy with our bonehead Legislature that had no clue what they were doing. That's why every CMV in NYs is supposed to be flying a DOT number, even if they never get more than 5 miles from home.

Hope that clears it up a little.

New York state has only 1 permament scale location and you will not be anywhere near it.(it is just south of Binghampton) Pennsylvania has none. Both states rely on mobile patrols and periodically set up in rest areas on the interstate system.

If you are going to Buffalo NY you shouldn't be going on I86 You get on I 90 and follow that right to Buffalo. I 86 comes off 90 just south of the NY/PA state line and goes east across the bottom of the NY state. I think with a rig like your using you won't have any problems at all as long as you chain it down good. Where are you actually going in NY.

Thank You for the info

South East of Buffalo

Nothing in NY that you will not see in Ohio. Have a good trip. Fall is a great time to be in western ny

I have a F250 single wheel truck and a 15000 goose neck also. I have hauled my little 435 JD pulling tractor in a lot of the Eastern states. I just put 3 chains on it. I think it says one every 10 ft. I never pull in to weight stations. I just motor on by. I have never been stopped. Also I try to not speed, never over 65.

The only thing I would tell you is to buy the correct weight license for when you will be loaded. Example: Most states pickup license are for 8500 lbs. That means the truck and trailer can't weight more than that or you are in violation. I carry 12 ton or 24,000 lbs. license on my pickups. You are under the 26,000 DOT cut off but are safe for most loads.

Don't tell me if it is your truck and trailer you can haul with out the correct weight license. I got caught in IL at a Wendy's. The DOT guy was eating lunch. I stopped and was eating. He asked to see my pickup license. I only had the 8500 lbs. license. He took me down to the scale.( it was only a few miles away) I weighed 17000 lbs. It cost me $880 dollars to get out of the scale lot. Paid in cash or credit card. The law says you have to be licensed for the total weight of the combination vehicle, truck+trailer. The license for 12 ton in Iowa non-commercial is only $165 for my pickup.

(quoted from post at 17:24:30 09/12/12) New York state has only 1 permament scale location and you will not be anywhere near it.(it is just south of Binghampton) Pennsylvania has none. Both states rely on mobile patrols and periodically set up in rest areas on the interstate system.

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NYS has more than 1 permanent scale location, trust me. There are WIMs (Weigh in Motion) on several of the interstates.

(quoted from post at 18:34:23 09/12/12) I have a F250 single wheel truck and a 15000 goose neck also. I have hauled my little 435 JD pulling tractor in a lot of the Eastern states. I just put 3 chains on it. I think it says one every 10 ft. I never pull in to weight stations. I just motor on by. I have never been stopped. Also I try to not speed, never over 65.

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Once again, we're confusing state laws for non-CMVs with CMV FMCSA law. The tie down requirements for non-CMV differ from those for CMV's. There is a specific section for tie downs of heavy equipment, tractors, etc. The minimum number of tie downs for a CMV hauling a tractor would be 4 IIRC. For a non-CMV State law simply requires adequate tie downs but doesn't spell it out until you get over in the Commissioners Rules and Regs and very, very few police officers venture into the specifics of the CRR.

I beliee we are in agreement then. I would be exempt. I don't farm just collect the travtors and hope to one day hand them down to my kids. No tractor has been sold by me either so I make NO profit at all from these tractors. Unfortunately Some times I have to borrow a trailer to get some of the tractors but I still abide by all other laws. So far I have not had any problems other than Nebraska. came back from Cattlefornia with 4 tractors on the trailer. O-6, AI, Cub Vineyard/Orchard and Cub Hi-Crop. Unit weighed 25,600lbs but they told us to keep right on a going. 26k would have made me get some sort of permit to cross. I am building a truck now out of a IHC S1854 to pull my Enclosed trailer. Truck and trailer will be licensed to near 40K and based on 390.3f3 I can drive right on by the scales and continue on my trip. No log book scales or any other "headaches."

I always use the rule of thumb that you have one chain and binder for each point of contact with the trailer deck. Normal 4 wheeled tractor has 4 chains and binders. Loader back-hoe would have 6. One for each wheeland one for the loader and one for the Back-Hoe. Crawler would basically be treated like a normal tractor and use 4 chains and binders. i also use ratchet straps to hold anything that may come loose. Hoods, fenders, spare tires, ETC. hope this helps.

We have had dirt track cars being pulled stopped and parked because the driver didn't have a CDL and you can see advertisements on the side of the car from sponsers. This would be an open trailer. Yet he would not need a CDL if the car was INSIDE a trailer and nothing was on the outside of said trailer. If you have anything on the outside of your tractor...even the manufacturers name...You could be commercial and need the CDL. Depends how big of a jerk everyone is. I would Err on the side of caution and run an enclosed trailer.

Yes you hae to be licensed accordingly for all aspects or you will receive a ticket. My drivers license is an Class A non-CDL. I can drive anything down the road as long as it conforms to all other laws. It could be a semi tractor with a landall flatbed and a Case 30-60 sitting on it. Due to the 390.3f3 I am exempt of having to have a CDL. But...But I must have the correct license on the truck and trailer. Not be over weight on ANY axle. By placarded as needed, Chained down correctly and not have any light out or missing the reflective stickers or anything like that. If anything is violated you WILL be ticketed.

Whoa guys! You're confusing things again. CDL has to do with the GVWR or CGVWR of the units involved. It has nothing to do with FMCSA and whether or not you're in a CMV.

ihredo4- "Due to the 390.3f3 I am exempt of having to have a CDL. " I think what you mean is you are exempt from CMV status and FMCSA/DOT regs, not state licensing requirements. That's a big difference. If you get into something requiring PLACARDS than you are into HAZMAT and you most definitely are commercial then. The specific words and language you use is extremely important in making sure you don't accidentally put yourself into a position where you've told a PO you aren't commercial and then start telling him that you are! I've seen it done. My local Town Highway Supervisor simply cannot wrap his mind around the difference between Municipal and Commercial for instance. Make sure you are saying exactly what you mean and don;t start confusing terms or you may end up admitting to something you never intended to.

The dirt track cars aren't being stopped because the guy didn't have a CDL, they are being stopped because they are CMVs!!! Like it or not dirt track, tractor pulls, go kart races, gymkhanas, etc can be commercial enterprises. If you have sponsors and there's a prize of any value for placing...it's commercial. You can use an enclosed trailer and not have a sticker or sign anywhere. Any PO worth his salt is going to know the local tracks and the prize money involved. If the money is there and the rig is over 10K CGVWR it's a CMV- period. That doesn't necessarily mean a handful of tickets, at least it wouldn't the way I did things, but it will mean some correctable tickets for a fire extinguisher and triangles and the expectation the next time I saw you you'd have a DOT number and would be showing the effort of at least trying to comply. And again, the requirement for a CDL is based on weight ratings, not CMV status. Your non-CDl A is still based on weight, not CMV status alone.

All of this also depends on what your STATE rules are too if you are not traveling interstate. Crossing the state line can make a huge difference. In other states where they apply FMCSA rules to all CMVs then it's as I stated.

That probably just adds to the cornfuzun but it's the way it is.

Yes I did misspeak on the Placard portion of what I said. I was just trying to make a point that I have to be abiding by any and all laws.