Justin SE IOWA
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I am wanting a get a little bigger tractor than what I have. I want to get a big round baler and need to know what is the minimum HP needed to run a big round baler? Please dont make this complicated!
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Anonymous-0
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A lot depends on the baler. Just to keep it simple the manual for a New Holland 850 chain baler says 55 to 75HP is needed to run it and I do it with a 55 HP Oliver Super 88
The trouble with 100 HP tractors is when used for haying and not puched hard at all, they wet stack like crazy. I like using our Oliver 1855 which puts out 105 PTO HP to cut hay, and it's got a little wet stracking going on.
It's getting to be time to chop corn so I'll be able to burn it out now, as well as when plowing, but if it weren't for that it'd constantly be wet stacking and smoking worse than normal. If only haying, I'd need some big equipment, or drop a size in tractor. We can also cut hay with our Massey 285, but if cutting during the day thew canopy on the 18 is nice, as well as the extra 4,000 lbs the 18 has pulling around the 14' hydro-swing. On a corner, it'll push our 10,000 lb 285 around in the right conditions.
Our 285 on the other hand, is a great haying tractor. Plenty of HP for cutting, can gear up and throttle down for raking, and plenty of weight and power for pulling the square baler or pretty much any round baler should we borrow or rent one.
Donovan from Wisconsin
It's getting to be time to chop corn so I'll be able to burn it out now, as well as when plowing, but if it weren't for that it'd constantly be wet stacking and smoking worse than normal. If only haying, I'd need some big equipment, or drop a size in tractor. We can also cut hay with our Massey 285, but if cutting during the day thew canopy on the 18 is nice, as well as the extra 4,000 lbs the 18 has pulling around the 14' hydro-swing. On a corner, it'll push our 10,000 lb 285 around in the right conditions.
Our 285 on the other hand, is a great haying tractor. Plenty of HP for cutting, can gear up and throttle down for raking, and plenty of weight and power for pulling the square baler or pretty much any round baler should we borrow or rent one.
Donovan from Wisconsin
BarryfromIA
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How are you going to handle the bales after they hit the ground? Here in the hills of northwest Iowa they something in the class of a 1086 too keep the wheels on the ground when moving the bales.
A small round baler you can get by with 45 hp. But that is getting by, maybe not fun but getting by.
I got a big old round baler, 5x6 bales, and it works great with my 85 hp tractor, and works fine with my 60 hp tractor but there are times that works it hard.
A modern big round baler would want the 80 to 100hp.
I use a forklift-type of round bale 3pt on the same tractors to move the bales. I also got a sissors type 3pt bale spear which lifts the bales about 4 feet high for loading & such. I needed to add 3 weights on the front of the 60hp tractor (wish I had found 4, but the 3 gets me by) and have fluid in all 4 - front & rear - of the 80 hp tractor so it is very stable on road ditches, moving bales, etc.
In my opinion a 60-80 hp tractor will handle most situations real well with most balers and 3pt carriers and make life nice.
--->Paul
I got a big old round baler, 5x6 bales, and it works great with my 85 hp tractor, and works fine with my 60 hp tractor but there are times that works it hard.
A modern big round baler would want the 80 to 100hp.
I use a forklift-type of round bale 3pt on the same tractors to move the bales. I also got a sissors type 3pt bale spear which lifts the bales about 4 feet high for loading & such. I needed to add 3 weights on the front of the 60hp tractor (wish I had found 4, but the 3 gets me by) and have fluid in all 4 - front & rear - of the 80 hp tractor so it is very stable on road ditches, moving bales, etc.
In my opinion a 60-80 hp tractor will handle most situations real well with most balers and 3pt carriers and make life nice.
--->Paul
If you are talking about 5x6 bales of good hay with hills than I would want at least 100 hp. We use 130-150 HP on our balers, JD 567 and JD 568. We usually use JD 4450 or JD 4455 2wd on the balers. Even then you watch where you are going with the baler full. I have seen guys get drug back down a hill when they stop to make a bale.
> I have seen guys get drug back down a hill when they stop to make a bale.
I have a crown vetch field that's a few degrees steeper than anyone in their right mind would bale hay on. 85HP is good enough for me. I use the smaller tractor, because it has MFWD and traction is the key when going up (and down) a steep hill. The 85HP tractor will not pull a full baler up the hill though, you have to use some sense and "chicken out" and then finish filling the baler on the down stroke. Can't drop the bale unless your at the top or the bottom of the hill anyway
For what it's worth, I use a JD 2950 (85HP PTO) and a NH 855 (5.5ft x 5.5ft) baler.
On relatively flat fields, 85-90HP on the PTO should run just about any round baler without too much fuss.
I have a crown vetch field that's a few degrees steeper than anyone in their right mind would bale hay on. 85HP is good enough for me. I use the smaller tractor, because it has MFWD and traction is the key when going up (and down) a steep hill. The 85HP tractor will not pull a full baler up the hill though, you have to use some sense and "chicken out" and then finish filling the baler on the down stroke. Can't drop the bale unless your at the top or the bottom of the hill anyway
For what it's worth, I use a JD 2950 (85HP PTO) and a NH 855 (5.5ft x 5.5ft) baler.
On relatively flat fields, 85-90HP on the PTO should run just about any round baler without too much fuss.
Anonymous-0
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I pull a hesston 5530, with a Allis Chalmers D-10 III. The 5530,
530, Case IH 8420, and a New Idea baler, that I can't remember the
number of, are all the same baler. Dimensions of the bale are 39"
wide, and up to 4-1/2' in diameter. You do need 2 way hydraulics
to run the tailgate.
530, Case IH 8420, and a New Idea baler, that I can't remember the
number of, are all the same baler. Dimensions of the bale are 39"
wide, and up to 4-1/2' in diameter. You do need 2 way hydraulics
to run the tailgate.
Tx Jim
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I think you've either got injector or compression problems.
I use my 120 pto hp to pull my JD 467 rd baler full time now that I've quite plowing. And it doesn't wet stack. Baling a large windrow at 6-7 mph will take more hp than 70.
buickanddeere
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Hills or flat ground? Size of bale? Sand, loam or clay soil?
Make and model of baler? Type of grasses being baled?
Looking at 2wd or 4wd? How are the bales being moved?
Loader or 3pt fork?
Make and model of baler? Type of grasses being baled?
Looking at 2wd or 4wd? How are the bales being moved?
Loader or 3pt fork?
SouthernFarmall
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What does soil have to do with it?
SF
SF
buickanddeere
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You never heard tell of either rolling resistance or co-efficient of friction ?
Tx Jim
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- Coyote Flats, Texas
b&d
OK I'll bite. What does soil type have to do with rolling resistance or co-efficient of friction?
BTW I thought you were going Moose hunting!!:wink:
Anonymous-0
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That was simple wasn't it.
Texasmark1
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I had a 100D horse, 2wd JD pulling a JD 530 making 5x6 bales.
Ground was firm, slopes not much, crop was thick, bales should
have been at least 1800#.
As the roll got up around 5' in diameter you could feel/see the
engine loading up with the load. By the time the bale was
finished, I wouldn't have wanted less hp. It wasn't a crisis thing,
but from the standpoint of machinery wear and tear, a smaller
tractor would have been working hard. I had no problem moving
2 rolls at a time.
Currently I have a 60 PTO tractor and am running 5x4 bales and
running around 2100 rather than the rated 2500 rpm and it is a
walk in the park. The extra 2' diameter doubles the weight and
significantly increases the load on the tractor.
Mark
Ground was firm, slopes not much, crop was thick, bales should
have been at least 1800#.
As the roll got up around 5' in diameter you could feel/see the
engine loading up with the load. By the time the bale was
finished, I wouldn't have wanted less hp. It wasn't a crisis thing,
but from the standpoint of machinery wear and tear, a smaller
tractor would have been working hard. I had no problem moving
2 rolls at a time.
Currently I have a 60 PTO tractor and am running 5x4 bales and
running around 2100 rather than the rated 2500 rpm and it is a
walk in the park. The extra 2' diameter doubles the weight and
significantly increases the load on the tractor.
Mark
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