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1964 Ford 1/2 ton a couple of questions

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I have a guy who wants me to install new king pins in this truck. Any easy way to pop them out been to many years since I did them to remember how easy it was not. Also this one has an engine that I have never seen before. The left side manifold goes up and forward and then hooks to the right hand side and then it goes out and under the truck. Never seen a truck engine that had a exhaust system like this one so not sure what engine it is other then a V-8
Thanks
 
(quoted from post at 15:07:48 08/28/12) I have a guy who wants me to install new king pins in this truck. Any easy way to pop them out been to many years since I did them to remember how easy it was not. Also this one has an engine that I have never seen before. The left side manifold goes up and forward and then hooks to the right hand side and then it goes out and under the truck. Never seen a truck engine that had a exhaust system like this one so not sure what engine it is other then a V-8
Thanks
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Engine is probably a 292 CI and that exhaust system setup was quite common on Fords back then and for a few years before.
 
The engine is most likely a 292 or 312 cubic inch displacement. These were a very reliable engine for their time. As to the kingpins, they can be a royal pain to remove. The bushings can either be nylon or brass. The brass bushing will likely need to be pressed out or chiseled out. The nylon bushings are easier to install as no hone to fit is required, not unlike the brass bushings. However as a rule the brass ones will give better wear if greased regularly.
 
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(quoted from post at 15:07:48 08/28/12) I have a guy who wants me to install new king pins in this truck. Any easy way to pop them out been to many years since I did them to remember how easy it was not. Also this one has an engine that I have never seen before. The left side manifold goes up and forward and then hooks to the right hand side and then it goes out and under the truck. Never seen a truck engine that had a exhaust system like this one so not sure what engine it is other then a V-8
Thanks
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Engine is probably a 292 CI and that exhaust system setup was quite common on Fords back then and for a few years before.
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ld must no be as old as he lets on.Ford started using those Y-blocks in 1954.
 
Sounds like a Y block. You will be really surprised when you see the vertically stacked intake ports.

No, there is no easy way to replace the king pins.

Dean
 
As posted, it's a Y-block, probably a 292. One of the things that a lot of Y-block fans do is to put some ram horn manifolds on these engines to give it a dual exhaust. They are somewhat rare and quite sought after. I believe they were put on the larger trucks that had Y-blocks in them, such as school buses. The aftermarket also makes headers, albeit expensive. Either of these two options help wake up the Y-block.
I've done a couple of king pins, although not lately. PITA.
 
Make sure you take the lock pin out of the axle first. If the pin comes out easily the axle is likely worn out and will need over sized pins.
 
Y Block = 272 , 292 or 312 Cubic inches.

King pins take a lot of heat and lots more hammering in remove. Unless you have or make a press.
 
They may be rusted tight.Had enough trouble with 15 year old cars and trucks.Had to pull the axle out of some and use a hydraulic press.A bent spindle will give you fits.Better pass on this job.The top exhaust was in use for 8 years.
 
Most all Ford V8's of that era without dual exhausts had a front crossover pipe. Very common.

Harold H
 
old,

I'm undoubtedly much older than you, but here's what I've seen. I worked in a garage during high school back in the 50s and early 60s. We replaced quite a few kingpins. One of the real mechanics (I was just a kid) had a little hydraulic cylinder on a flexible hose that led back to the pump mechanism. We always called it a "porta-power".

We would place the cylinder under the bottom of the kingpin, chain it to the steering knuckle, and pump it up, With a little bit of heat and a little bit of vibration, the kingpins always popped out.

Good luck with your project. They can be nearly impossible to get out.

Tom in TN
 
If you do the job, jack the truck up and put a large hard block of wood under the axel. Don't use a floor or bottle jack, evertime you bash the king pin the jack will give. When you get them out take the spindle and bushings along with the new pins to a machine shop to be reamed, its money well spent. And on that exahust setup the Y blocks had that from 54 through 64.
 
Ya I seem to remember using a hyd jack and a chain to do them but it has been a few years and a few beers since I last did one and I have never liked the king pin set up
 
rich, if you have a torch, not a bad job, before you start look at the top and bottom of the king pins to see if there is a circlip in there. they need to come out first, then there should be a little metal cap, kind of like a welsh plug. (helps to hold the grease in). next, on the side of the i-beam right at the knuckle, there is a keeper bolt going thru about the center of the king pin on the i-beam side. it will run front to back of truck. remove the nut and drive the bolt out. next get a block under the i-beam as close to the king pin as you can, without covering the king pin. an 8x8 timber with a solid piece of steel on top, or a small section of railroad track works good. lower the i beam down on the steel so it has a lot of vehicle weight on it. (lets the hammer blows hit home without loosing force thru the suspension) heat the i beam part (where the pin goes thru) dull red and drive the pin down and out with a short handle 3 pound sledge hammer. use a large drift or piece of steel bar stock a little smaller than the diameter of the king pin. a sawed off 3/4 or 7/8 inch bolt works good. leave the head on the bolt to pound against. you can weld a small handle on the bolt so you dont whack yer hands. if you can, get the nylon insert king pin set so you dont have to ream the bushings. ........and that 292 with the front exhaust will really put some burns on yer forearms when ya work on em!!!

if you have access to an air hammer, a 1/2 inch round punch bit drives the king pins out pretty easy.
 
Have an air hammer plus I have what we call Thor's hammer. 8 lbs sledge hammer with a 18 inch handle on it for those tight places that you really need a BFH on
 
That's the engine with the crazy timing chain set up where the timing marks pointed horizontal; a 312.

A healthy rosebud and those pins will jump outta there.

Allan
 
Were 292s the same way? I rebuilt a straight truck engine for my grandpa eons ago and your comment about the timing marks rang a bell...
 
Ford introduced the "Y-block" OHV engine to replace the venerable flathead in 1954. This engine had the same displacement as the old flathead, 239ci. For some reason, they did not perform well and this displacement engine was only built for one year. In 1955 they went to 272ci as a standard engine. The new Thunderbird had a 292ci engine which was already available in the Mercury line. In 1956 they introduced the 312ci. Thunderbird special. The Y-block series of engines were good engines but they were pretty thirsty. Some of the slightly "different" aspects of these engines were the way you had to set the timing, which someone already mentioned, the external oil pump with a tube running through the oil pan to the pickup, and the front crossover exhaust pipe. There were aftermarket kits available which supplied a left side exhaust manifold and a block off plate for the right side where the crossover pipe was removed and you had dual exhaust. The mention of those Fords of yesteryear bring back a lot of good shade tree memories.
 
Can't help on the king pins. My Dad had a 63 Ford 1/2 ton. It had a 292 with that same cross over pipe you mentioned. I got it back on the road after sitting for almost 20 years. first Had to go through the brakes, new hoses, new water pump. My mistake, was I replaced the 700x15 tires with the same size. Should have put on radials. Stan
 
I always thought that exhaust arrangement was odd, leaves a lot of heat under the hood, I have a 292 that runs great in my '64 F600, funny how the same engine was in a pick up, though there is a heavy duty version, would have to look it up in the manual and look at the door tag to see.

I have seen reproductions of those rams horn manifolds, used OEM ones or NOS were really expensive.

I'd agree with Alan, those are a pain, when I was a lot younger I had a '73 F100,with a 302, the mechanic told me to keep the front end lubed on it and warned about the king pins seizing or something.
 
I did not look at them close but the guy has the new king pins already and they looked like they had true bearings to them which if so I know would be very good but maybe harder to install also
 
(quoted from post at 19:16:41 08/29/12) Ive seen many ball joints fail, never saw a king pin break and let a wheel flop on the road.
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a know, I almost never agree with your cranky old arse, but this may be a first........" Ive seen many ball joints fail, never saw a king pin break and let a wheel flop on the road." :wink:
 
(quoted from post at 20:16:41 08/29/12) Ive seen many ball joints fail, never saw a king pin break and let a wheel flop on the road.
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Yep, they might wiggle around a bit, wear tires out and such, but never have I seen one fail.
 
Ive seen 2 55 chevys lose a left ball joint when I was on the road close to them.First one was around 1960,Chevy was ahead of me, the left wheel flopped out and the car slid to a stop.I pulled over.There was a very scared woman driving, she had a tight grip on the steering wheel.She said the car had just been in for repairs.I took her to the garage and told them she needed a wrecker to bring her car in.The second one happened years later on a steep hill. I was coming up the hill with a load of lumber in a station wagon.A 55 chevy coming down the hill lost a ball joint, crossed the road in front of me and went into the ditch on the left side of the road .The other side of the road has a steep drop off and had the old post and cable guard rail.Another scared woman, her face was white.I took her down to the general store to make a phone call, no cell phones back then.The hill is long and steep,I stay off it in winter.What are the odds of being near 2 55 chevys when they lost a ball joint, pretty high but Ive done it.We took the fire truck to auto accidents.A woman ran an import pickup truck off the road, it came to rest on its side.She was sitting on the side of the road when I got there.She was crying ,I asked her if she was hurt, she said no but Ive peed my pants.I told her I would have done a lot worse.She began to laugh.
 
Ive seen 2 55 chevys lose a left ball joint when I was on the road close to them.First one was around 1960,Chevy was ahead of me, the left wheel flopped out and the car slid to a stop.I pulled over.There was a very scared woman driving, she had a tight grip on the steering wheel.She said the car had just been in for repairs.I took her to the garage and told them she needed a wrecker to bring her car in.The second one happened years later on a steep hill. I was coming up the hill with a load of lumber in a station wagon.A 55 chevy coming down the hill lost a ball joint, crossed the road in front of me and went into the ditch on the left side of the road .The other side of the road has a steep drop off and had the old post and cable guard rail.Another scared woman, her face was white.I took her down to the general store to make a phone call, no cell phones back then.The hill is long and steep,I stay off it in winter.What are the odds of being near 2 55 chevys when they lost a ball joint, pretty high but Ive done it.We took the fire truck to auto accidents.A woman ran an import pickup truck off the road, it came to rest on its side.She was sitting on the side of the road when I got there.She was crying ,I asked her if she was hurt, she said no but Ive peed my pants.I told her I would have done a lot worse.She began to laugh.
 
Ive seen 2 55 chevys lose a left ball joint when I was on the road close to them.First one was around 1960,Chevy was ahead of me, the left wheel flopped out and the car slid to a stop.I pulled over.There was a very scared woman driving, she had a tight grip on the steering wheel.She said the car had just been in for repairs.I took her to the garage and told them she needed a wrecker to bring her car in.The second one happened years later on a steep hill. I was coming up the hill with a load of lumber in a station wagon.A 55 chevy coming down the hill lost a ball joint, crossed the road in front of me and went into the ditch on the left side of the road .The other side of the road has a steep drop off and had the old post and cable guard rail.Another scared woman, her face was white.I took her down to the general store to make a phone call, no cell phones back then.The hill is long and steep,I stay off it in winter.What are the odds of being near 2 55 chevys when they lost a ball joint, pretty high but Ive done it.We took the fire truck to auto accidents.A woman ran an import pickup truck off the road, it came to rest on its side.She was sitting on the side of the road when I got there.She was crying ,I asked her if she was hurt, she said no but Ive peed my pants.I told her I would have done a lot worse.She began to laugh.
 
(quoted from post at 08:30:29 08/29/12) Yep ball joints are pretty easy but you know Ford always had a better idea or so they said LOL
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Old,Ford sure wasen't/isn't the only manufacturer to use kingpins. And they are a PIA to remove.
 
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