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rick deere

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1992 camaro 2100 hp 149 in 8th mile straight fuil, wonder what nitro will bring when we turn it on.
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You must have meant to type Pat Garrett ,right? Where did you go to the 1/8 mile {Old Dominion ? ] Are you guys from New Jersey ?
 
Dyersburg,tenn. race track, and Menphis Tenn.On the other stuff you mention have no idea what your talking about.From Monette ,Arkansas never been from the North, never will.Good Day
 
There is a guy from New Jersey named Pat Garrett that had a transmission business ,sold that and started a suspension company . He has race cars so I thought it was a typo.Sorry I responed to your post me being an evil yankee and all.Good day to you sir.
 
Shoot that is not all that fast. I had a car when I was 16 that the speedometer read 200 and I took it up to 165 and it was not even starting to get up to speed. Ya it did not do that in an 1/8 or a 1/4 but it was a simple 4 door sedan with a small 1600CC 4 cylinder engine and it was a stock factory built car. and it was a 1967 Alfa
 
Old,
You might head over to your local dragstrip if you think 149 in the 1/8 is not all that fast.

Most of the time I agree or enjoy your posts. But a 1967 Alfa has whopping 109hp. There is no way that car would ever hit 165mph "and it was not even starting to get up to speed" in your words. Flat out impossible. You could talk to a few Bonneville racers to see what amount of horsepower it takes to reach a given speed. At 165mph its way more than 109hp in a 4 door sedan.

To give a not even similar comparison the land speed record right now in MPs/PG1650 is right around 160mph. That is a 1650cc push rod fuel engine. But, this is in a motorcyle, way lighter.

Only thing I can think of is your speedo since its an Alfa was still reading in kilometers, which would put you around 101mph. I can believe that.

Rick
 
Very nice setup. Takes a lot of time and detail to get a car like that finished up.

If you're going 149 in the 1/8 thats flat out moving, especially just motor. Do have any more detail on the motor. I see its a Reher-Morrison. How many cubes? How much NOS do you have plumbed in?

Rick
 
I did it back in the early 70s when I owned the car. 1967 Alfa romoe which was a 4 door sedan had a 1600 dual over head cam engine 5 speed 4 wheel disk brakes. Had dual 2 barrel Weber carbs and a hemi style engine and it would in fact go well over the 165 I drove it up to. Shoot that was a slow car for its day in Italy. There are and where many cars that will go much faster then the one I had and the engines are small but they have to be to pass the laws over there so they make small engine that do many thing that make them go fast. Better study up or back off. Here in the U.S. people think big but over there they think big and do it with small stuff.
 
"Better study up or back off" Old, I did and am studied up. I have plenty of dyno time and seat time in cars on courses with certified timing equipment.

Read my post, regardless of cc's or cubic inches, tt doesn't matter if it has 2 webers or 4, 109hp is 109hp. . In a four door sedan with a 5 speed, 165mph is quite optimistic.
Overly optimistic.

And I don't think 165mph was a slow car in Italy in 1967. Everyone has these imagines in their head of Italy being Lambos and Ferraris. Those cars are so few in production. They are famous because they can hit 200mph, that is now, not 1967.

A Ferrari 250GTO has a documented top speed of 174mph, with 3 times the horsepower you are talking about.

You and I agree on a lot of things. But on this we'll have to agree to disagree.

Rick
 
You best back off or make an enemy land speed record on a human power bike as in pedal back in the 60s was well over 100mph and there are many many many cars in the 1600 or smaller class that do well over 100 MPH hands down and have for decades. I am and have been around hot rods etc etc for over 30 plus years and know what cars can and can not do. Shoot the simple small Porsche 914 of the 60s did well over 125 with no problems and they had engines in the 1500 CC class as I said back off you make an enemy BTDT and have done so for years. Tell me what motorcycle was outlawed in the U.S. is the 1950 and why???? I can tell you but can you. One clue there was NO car that could keep up to it and no man that rode it to top speed
 
Old, could that have been 165 kilometers per hour? I have been over 150 miles an hour a few times, and that is REALLY FLYING!!!!! Especially on a deserted, but public road. Something I would never do again, but back in the 400+ horsepower days of my youth, we just had to see how fast our cars would go. Only a very few of the cars I ever drove or rode in would go 150.

When I was a young man, we also did a bunch of drag racing at our local sanctioned drag strip and also lots of street racing. In the quarter mile, if your car would achieve over 110 at the quarter mile mark, it was a VERY VERY strong runner, or an actual, prepared race car. I have never tried 1/8 mile drag racing, but I would expect speeds at the end of the eighth mile mark to be lots slower than the speeds the same car might do in the quarter.

I have been reading car magazines since the early 60"s, and don"t recall ever reading about any Alfas that were anywhere nearly that fast. 165 miles per hour is Ferrari and Maserati territory, and they cost many times what an Alfa cost in those days.

165 KPH, maybe; 165 MPH--NO WAY!
 
big block chev and 2 bottles of nit on board,aprove cert racing speeds of over 200, the test run was just motor,
 
He didn't say it did that speed in the 1/4 mile . If you know thw weight of the car you could do a calculation to porove/disprove what old is claiming. However alot depends on gearing. Nobody would beleive Burt Munro's 1926 Indian would go 200 at Bonneville either. Given enough gear anything is possible. If you could know horsepower/weight . Gear ratio , engine RPM Tire, diameter then calculate top speed it might suprise you.If there is unlimited time to get up to speed [such as Bonneville type distances] then high speeds can be acheived. I have a Ducati that does about 130 [owners manual claims 140 but my weight is a factor] It does not achieve 130 until you hold it on for a bit. Definatly not in the 1/4 mile. 109hp and what weight car what gearing and the other factors I mention .
Then there is a thing called speedo needle bounce which appears to reach higher level on the speedo but the needle just can't stabilize.
At any rate it's just a friendly discussion that nobody needs to get upset about.
 
One other thing I might mention again sort of in Old's defense. A guy rode a bicycle to 155 mph following a train .two factors drafting the train and gearing otherwise not possible but less than one horsepower-one manpower 155 MPH. Just sayin' .
 
all the theory is fine
HOWEVER wind resistance comes into play big time as speed incresaes
Wind resistance is more drag eating up lots more HP than you are allowing for
Ron
 
That red car may be fast, but probably trailered
from place to place...no way could that wind-
shield obstructing, scoop, be street legal.
 
I'm not "allowing for" anything. Itialian styled cars do take into effect areodynamics. As does my Ducati which is probably about 75 hp. The reason a Hayabusa does 200mph is the fairing. Reason modern jap bikes go faster than the same horsepower older bikes is the fairing. I'm not saying old is correct. Perhaps he was reading on the high bounce of the speedo needle. lol. Im really not disagreeing with anyone and The calculations I could do are only based on the 1/4 mile . You are correct in that I have not allowed for wind resistance . In the 1950's engineers calculated that a car could not possibly exceed 150 in the quarter mile. Look at the speeds today. I have a theory called " math vs reality" myself. Not everthing can be figured on paper . Maybe Old was going down an incline and gravity was in his favor. Maybe the memory has added some MPH. Not saying he is correct . But the 155 mph bicycle is a fact.In that case the train must have almost pulled the bike from what air does[suction effect]. The front sprocket on the bike was huge[gearing] .But,yes ,my little power/speed slide rule does not acount for wind drag. Big diiference in styling /body shape of a Bonneville car vs top fuel. Both are acheiving amazing speeds . A dragster that turns 9000 rpm has only rotated about 750 turns in a five second quarter mile run. {which has nothing to do with anything ] just an interesting thing I thought about.
 
Old,
I am suddenly your enemy because I disagree with you!?!? By the looks of the posts I am not your only enemy today. If I made an enemy with everyone I disagreed with, I would be a recluse. Regardless, if you think I am your enemy that is fine, I hold no hard feelings against you.

Your pedal bike numbers over 100mph are correct, BUT they are drafting behind a special vehicle. No wind resistance. The Cd would make them a lot slower. The fastest pedal bike without any aid (just a bike and a person) is right around 80mph.

To your question, I cannot tell you what motorcycle was banned in the 50s or why? Go ahead and tell me, I would be interested to read about it. But, the fact that you know this answer and I do not, still would not provide any more information on how you could hit 165mph in a stock 1600 Alfa.

Again, I agree to disagree, you make me an enemy,
Rick
 
I figured you would be somewhere in the 180s on the motor depending on gearing. 6.50 chassis certification. With the NOS I bet you will be in the low 200s.

Hang on tight and use the chutes. Again very nice ride.
Rick
 
Thanks the wheely bars go on today, theres 3 ways to loose these races, red light, go to fast and just plain get beat.My friend lives for the race. Just as alot of us do the tractor finds.
 
you better get your facts straight but head NEVER said I did 150 on any bike but did say 145 and you best figure out what I said before you tell me that I am telling a lie Get things right or shut the F up but head
 
It was in fact MPH and I got lucky that night down in Mississippi I knew the cop who clocked me doing that speed. If I had not known that cop I would have had some real trouble but he let me go and told me I better never be seen doing that again. Long flat straight road in Mississippi. And yes way as did many of the Brit cars would do well over 125. But I'll not waste any more time on this stuff I know what I know and if you guy do not want to believe so be it
 
Flat straight road in Mississippi late at night little to no wind. Car was a stock as for as I know Alfa Romeo had a 4 cylinder dual carb engine and at 3500RPM it was hitting 150 and at the time may girl fiend was in the car and she looked at the MPH I was going and she then put on her seat belt and layed the seat back. O do not know how far I drove to get to that speed but I did get there. But again people only believe what they want to and I know what I did I was there and so was the cop who let me get by with it due to knowing me
 
Okay, 145. Still MUCH closer than you, considering that Yamaha advertised a maximum speed between 95 and 105 mph. It's really a shame that you didn't live closer to Bonneville considering that any machine will go 30+ percent faster than any others, you know, just because YOU OWNED IT. Facts straight? Sure bags.
 
(quoted from post at 20:22:55 05/30/12) "Better study up or back off" Old, I did and am studied up. I have plenty of dyno time and seat time in cars on courses with certified timing equipment.

Read my post, regardless of cc's or cubic inches, tt doesn't matter if it has 2 webers or 4, 109hp is 109hp. . In a four door sedan with a 5 speed, 165mph is quite optimistic.
Overly optimistic.

And I don't think 165mph was a slow car in Italy in 1967. Everyone has these imagines in their head of Italy being Lambos and Ferraris. Those cars are so few in production. They are famous because they can hit 200mph, that is now, not 1967.

A Ferrari 250GTO has a documented top speed of 174mph, with 3 times the horsepower you are talking about.

You and I agree on a lot of things. But on this we'll have to agree to disagree.

Rick
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Hitting that speed would be tough with double the 109 hp. What's with the mud flinging over a simple disagreement? Lot's of "stuff" flying around here lately...
 
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