Well the keepers of the Kings Deer here in Pa have spoken. They say that the deer kill for 2011 in Pa was at about 47% for licensed hunters. My family had 16 tags and we only filled 3 and we normally do 60%. Everyone I know went with an empty freezer. Lots of tag soup. Why is it that there is no accountability anymore.
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Anonymous-0
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They destroy everything I plant.
We are infested with them. I live a couple of states south of you. Come on down and bring some beer. You can fill the back of a pick-up truck in a couple of hours and never leave my front porch!
We are infested with them. I live a couple of states south of you. Come on down and bring some beer. You can fill the back of a pick-up truck in a couple of hours and never leave my front porch!
Nebraska Cowman
Well-known Member
That's pretty good. I doubt less the 10% are killed
by hunters in Nebraska. The rest are killed on the
Highway.
by hunters in Nebraska. The rest are killed on the
Highway.
randallinMo
Member
You guys out there in Pa have some really screwed up rules for deer hunting. Is it still no rifles? I lived there in the 80's (Westmoreland county) and you could only use slugs in shotguns. That sucked! ACtually, here in MIssouri we have lots of deer and the bucks are big and hunters thrive. Deer season is practically a holiday here. I've never seen statistics reported back in % deer killed per licensed hunters. Our conservation department always reports total number of deer killed each year, usually within a week or two of the closing of the season. THe numbers that you report don't mean anything because we don't know how many total hunters you had. Or, is the 47% you state the number of "tags" filled? That would make a big difference as well. Here in Missouri landowners can get multiple tags (usually one buck and two does)depending upon which county you live in.
Don't have maybe the right answer,but I chalk it up to lazy hunters.I hear the same thing locally,but during the last 2 yrs.of deer seasons I could have shot 5 to 10 any day from my yard.They stayed out in the open most of the time grazing grass or corn-bean fields.You have to spend more then one or two hrs.a day hunting them,I would like to see most of them killed,but the way you deer hunters are doing it today IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
The deer kill was down this year in Ohio as well.No one seems to know if the population is really down, or whether the bad hunting was due to unusual weather during the season.
I wonder if there is a pattern of lower deer harvest numbers nationwide, or just a local glitch.
Myron
It's no better in Kansas.
I remember in the 70s and early 80s it was very uncommon to see a deer - they were few and far between. Now you're lucky if you can drive after dark without seeing one.
On my own place setting up electric fences is a PIA as deer tear them down every night for first couple weeks.
I remember in the 70s and early 80s it was very uncommon to see a deer - they were few and far between. Now you're lucky if you can drive after dark without seeing one.
On my own place setting up electric fences is a PIA as deer tear them down every night for first couple weeks.
Daryl in PA
Member
TRY HUNTING HARDER!!
GAME COMMISSION RELEASES 2011-12 DEER HARVEST ESTIMATES
HARRISBURG – The Pennsylvania Game Commission today reported that, in the state’s 2011-12 seasons, hunters harvested an estimated 336,200 deer, which is an increase of six percent from the previous seasons’ harvest of 316,240.
Hunters took 127,540 antlered deer in the 2011-12 seasons, an increase of four percent from the previous license year’s harvest of 122,930. Also, hunters harvested 208,660 antlerless deer in 2011-12, which is an increase of eight percent from the 193,310 antlerless deer taken in 2010-11.
“This year’s antlered deer harvest is slightly above average harvest since 2005, when the Game Commission began efforts to stabilize deer populations in most of the state,” said Carl G. Roe, Game Commission executive director. “Antlered deer harvests increased in 13 of the state’s 22 Wildlife Management Units. Those WMUs in which the antlered deer harvest increased were WMUs 1B, 2A, 2B, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4B, 4D, 4E, 5A, 5B and 5D.”
Bureau of Wildlife Management personnel currently are working to develop 2012-13 antlerless deer license allocation recommendations for the April meeting of the Board of Game Commissioners. Calvin W. DuBrock, Game Commission Bureau of Wildlife Management director, said that in addition to harvest data, the staff will be looking at deer health measures, forest regeneration and deer-human conflicts for each WMU.
Harvest estimates for 2011-12 seasons are based on 114,000 harvest reports submitted by hunters to the Game Commission. Of the reports submitted, 49 percent were done using the long-time report card mail-in system, 47 percent were done through the agency’s online reporting system and only three percent were received through the agency’s new toll-free telephone system.
Reporting rates are determined by cross-referencing these reports with the data collected from the 26,000 deer examined by Game Commission personnel in the field and at processors.
DuBrock noted that reporting rates varied widely. For antlered deer, the average reporting rate was 37 percent (from a low of 31 percent to a high of 45 percent). For antlerless deer, the average reporting rate was 33 percent (from a low of 19 percent to a high of 45 percent).
For a full explanation of harvest estimating procedures, including example calculations, see pages 55 to 59 in the 2009-2018 Deer Management Plan. The plan is available on the Game Commission’s website (www.pgc.state.pa.us) by clicking on the “White-Tailed Deer” icon in the center of the homepage and scrolling down to the “Deer Management” listing. All of the data used to estimate this year’s deer harvests are included in the two tables at the end of this news release. Previous years’ data sets also are available in deer program annual reports on the Game Commission’s website.
“These data and the explanation and examples found in the deer plan provide the public with the opportunity to see exactly how deer harvests are estimated,” DuBrock said.
Also on the “White-Tailed Deer” page, in the “Research and Publications” section, is a document titled “Reporting rate variability and precision of white-tailed deer harvest estimates in Pennsylvania,” which appeared in the Journal of Wildlife Management in 2004, a peer-reviewed scientific publication.
Comparisons between the current year’s harvest and historic antlered deer harvest often do not consider hunter participation levels. In 1986, there were roughly one million deer hunters in Pennsylvania. This past year, around 700,000 license buyers participated in deer hunting seasons. When viewed in this context, harvest success rates are comparable to the past.
Also, yearling bucks comprised 50 percent of the 2011-12 antlered harvest, and 2.5-year-old or older bucks comprised 50 percent. Prior to the start of current antler restrictions in 2002, yearling bucks comprised about 80 percent of the antlered harvest.
“Current antler restrictions have achieved their objective to protect most yearling bucks from harvest and allow them to reach at least 2.5 years of age,” DuBrock said. “In recent years, the composition of the antlered harvest has hovered around a 50:50 split between yearling and 2.5-year-old and older bucks.”
Hunter success rates for antlerless deer remained at 25 percent of the number of antlerless licenses issued, which is on average with recent years. Button bucks represented 21 percent of the antlerless harvest, which is similar to the long-term averages and falls within the annual range of 21 to 24 percent for the past 15 years. As for the remainder of the antlerless harvest, 60 percent was adult does and the remaining 19 percent were doe fawns, which falls within the annual range of 18 to 20 percent for the past 15 years.
GAME COMMISSION RELEASES 2011-12 DEER HARVEST ESTIMATES
HARRISBURG – The Pennsylvania Game Commission today reported that, in the state’s 2011-12 seasons, hunters harvested an estimated 336,200 deer, which is an increase of six percent from the previous seasons’ harvest of 316,240.
Hunters took 127,540 antlered deer in the 2011-12 seasons, an increase of four percent from the previous license year’s harvest of 122,930. Also, hunters harvested 208,660 antlerless deer in 2011-12, which is an increase of eight percent from the 193,310 antlerless deer taken in 2010-11.
“This year’s antlered deer harvest is slightly above average harvest since 2005, when the Game Commission began efforts to stabilize deer populations in most of the state,” said Carl G. Roe, Game Commission executive director. “Antlered deer harvests increased in 13 of the state’s 22 Wildlife Management Units. Those WMUs in which the antlered deer harvest increased were WMUs 1B, 2A, 2B, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4B, 4D, 4E, 5A, 5B and 5D.”
Bureau of Wildlife Management personnel currently are working to develop 2012-13 antlerless deer license allocation recommendations for the April meeting of the Board of Game Commissioners. Calvin W. DuBrock, Game Commission Bureau of Wildlife Management director, said that in addition to harvest data, the staff will be looking at deer health measures, forest regeneration and deer-human conflicts for each WMU.
Harvest estimates for 2011-12 seasons are based on 114,000 harvest reports submitted by hunters to the Game Commission. Of the reports submitted, 49 percent were done using the long-time report card mail-in system, 47 percent were done through the agency’s online reporting system and only three percent were received through the agency’s new toll-free telephone system.
Reporting rates are determined by cross-referencing these reports with the data collected from the 26,000 deer examined by Game Commission personnel in the field and at processors.
DuBrock noted that reporting rates varied widely. For antlered deer, the average reporting rate was 37 percent (from a low of 31 percent to a high of 45 percent). For antlerless deer, the average reporting rate was 33 percent (from a low of 19 percent to a high of 45 percent).
For a full explanation of harvest estimating procedures, including example calculations, see pages 55 to 59 in the 2009-2018 Deer Management Plan. The plan is available on the Game Commission’s website (www.pgc.state.pa.us) by clicking on the “White-Tailed Deer” icon in the center of the homepage and scrolling down to the “Deer Management” listing. All of the data used to estimate this year’s deer harvests are included in the two tables at the end of this news release. Previous years’ data sets also are available in deer program annual reports on the Game Commission’s website.
“These data and the explanation and examples found in the deer plan provide the public with the opportunity to see exactly how deer harvests are estimated,” DuBrock said.
Also on the “White-Tailed Deer” page, in the “Research and Publications” section, is a document titled “Reporting rate variability and precision of white-tailed deer harvest estimates in Pennsylvania,” which appeared in the Journal of Wildlife Management in 2004, a peer-reviewed scientific publication.
Comparisons between the current year’s harvest and historic antlered deer harvest often do not consider hunter participation levels. In 1986, there were roughly one million deer hunters in Pennsylvania. This past year, around 700,000 license buyers participated in deer hunting seasons. When viewed in this context, harvest success rates are comparable to the past.
Also, yearling bucks comprised 50 percent of the 2011-12 antlered harvest, and 2.5-year-old or older bucks comprised 50 percent. Prior to the start of current antler restrictions in 2002, yearling bucks comprised about 80 percent of the antlered harvest.
“Current antler restrictions have achieved their objective to protect most yearling bucks from harvest and allow them to reach at least 2.5 years of age,” DuBrock said. “In recent years, the composition of the antlered harvest has hovered around a 50:50 split between yearling and 2.5-year-old and older bucks.”
Hunter success rates for antlerless deer remained at 25 percent of the number of antlerless licenses issued, which is on average with recent years. Button bucks represented 21 percent of the antlerless harvest, which is similar to the long-term averages and falls within the annual range of 21 to 24 percent for the past 15 years. As for the remainder of the antlerless harvest, 60 percent was adult does and the remaining 19 percent were doe fawns, which falls within the annual range of 18 to 20 percent for the past 15 years.
We CAN use rifles & always have.. But this
Counting Points on a running deer is too
much. Then a point has to be at least 1" long.
To be legal , it's all B/S...
I like to have something I can stir the soup
with??
Seen 8 bucks during rifle season Only one for
sure was legal & only seen it for a second.
Counting Points on a running deer is too
much. Then a point has to be at least 1" long.
To be legal , it's all B/S...
I like to have something I can stir the soup
with??
Seen 8 bucks during rifle season Only one for
sure was legal & only seen it for a second.
Pennsylvania deer hunting became such a pile of BS back in the mid 1990s that even Dad gave it up after 65 years. Had so many "supercops" in the woods that you spent half the day getting shook down, and if they did find something to "pinch" you on, the only "big bucks" were the one's coming out of your wallet. The first day of Pa buck used to be practically a religious holiday around here, kids still have the day off from school but most don't know why. I haven't hunted since Dad stopped in 1996.
My kids never showed an interest and with the wardens looking especially for the kids to screw up so they could whack Dad with a fine, I never encouraged it, I saved up all year and handed the wife a wad of cash and she and the kids did the Christmas shopping on buck day.
My kids never showed an interest and with the wardens looking especially for the kids to screw up so they could whack Dad with a fine, I never encouraged it, I saved up all year and handed the wife a wad of cash and she and the kids did the Christmas shopping on buck day.
Fullers Farmalls
Member
Sorry for your luck this year. But thats the way it was this year. I
lucked out and got 3 deer with 3 shots. Not a one of them took a
step after I shot. Got 2 doe and a little 8 point. Head shots on the
doe and dropped my buck in the shoulder. I study how the game
commission does there practices, they aren't as bad as others but
are missing their biggest folly, Coyotes.
lucked out and got 3 deer with 3 shots. Not a one of them took a
step after I shot. Got 2 doe and a little 8 point. Head shots on the
doe and dropped my buck in the shoulder. I study how the game
commission does there practices, they aren't as bad as others but
are missing their biggest folly, Coyotes.
Rollie NE PA
Well-known Member
Deer harvest was down in my area. I hunted the full 2 weeks and saw one buck that was legal. Before the season I had seen several shooters hanging around. I blame it on bow hunters around my place.
Some localities only allow shot gun slugs for deer.
I never believe to much of what the game commisson says.
Some localities only allow shot gun slugs for deer.
I never believe to much of what the game commisson says.
The biggest Joke/ Horror/shortcoming/ travisty
with this point restriction is the senior
citizens who still have the desire to weather
the cold in hope"s of taking a buck of a life
time or just a BUCK.. Still hafta count points
with failing eye"s. I am not that old yet, we
need people in the woods to harvest the deer.
These restrictions have dicouraged, disheartend
more hunters & that equals no desire to be in
the woods. It"s no wonder kids play video games.
The resident hunter see"s a raise in fee"s for
hunting & we receive much less.. Now NO ONE
picks up road kills, which leads to more road
kills of other spiece"s.. Pa Game was once at
a much higher level, than they are now & they
are unable to see their wrong doing.
(quoted from post at 09:02:31 05/16/12) Well the keepers of the Kings Deer here in Pa have spoken. They say that the deer kill for 2011 in Pa was at about 47% for licensed hunters. My family had 16 tags and we only filled 3 and we normally do 60%. Everyone I know went with an empty freezer. Lots of tag soup. Why is it that there is no accountability anymore.
DEER -It is really all about money. Here in Pa the guys can't even sort thru the propaganda the Game Commission puts out. They say they killed 350K deer(doe and buck) in Pa last year. There are 700K licensed hunters, but their report states that the kill is at 24%. That is almost 50% when I do the math. Guys on here post PGC print as if it is gospel. "Hunt Harder" what a joke!
There are a few places in the I believe in the eastern part of the state and around Pittsburg where you can only hunt deer with a slug gun. In the rest of the state you can use a slug gun or any centerfire caliber over .22, if I remember right.
There was a group pushing to limit deer hunting to slug guns a few years ago but the game commission took a couple rifles and shotguns out and proved the folly of the reasoning behind it. They might not have been accurate at distances a rifle would be, but a slug will travel just as far.
And Ohio, I believe, limits you to slug guns, no rifles, for deer. When I lived in Dayton it was next to impossible to find shells for anything bigger than a .22.
There was a group pushing to limit deer hunting to slug guns a few years ago but the game commission took a couple rifles and shotguns out and proved the folly of the reasoning behind it. They might not have been accurate at distances a rifle would be, but a slug will travel just as far.
And Ohio, I believe, limits you to slug guns, no rifles, for deer. When I lived in Dayton it was next to impossible to find shells for anything bigger than a .22.
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