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Farmall H and Super H differences

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I have 2 farmall H tractors with what appears to be 2 different type brakes. I have been told this is the easiest way to tell the difference yet I am think I just have a difference based on model years and not model. Can someone please send me some pics of the differences between an H and a Super H. I'd like to determine exactly what I have. Also can someone email me a pic of the brakes for a super C. I am just really getting into Farmall and have had JD's for a while and so far the JD's are a lot easier to identify on model and changes.
I need to know what to look for and where to distinguish Farmall models as the tractor data book is confusing me. Thanks for any help.
 
Super H's have disk brakes, H's don't... there is an obvious difference in the housing. The year-to-year changes are the Stage I or Stage II Super H's - live hydraulics on Stage II, for one thing. Also - check the ID plate if it's still there (on the bellhousing on the right side, IIRC)... A Super H will be listed as "SH".
 
Okay the serial number plates on both are FBH.

I think mine are both band type brakes but the housings are different on each tractor. One is round and the brake pedal shaft comes directly out the front. The other is sort of tear drop shaped and the brake shaft comes out to the side.
 
Not really any "difference based on model years." ALL original/plain/regular H's except for the last 250 or so made in 1952 have band brakes from the factory. These are the tin pan covers with the lever and spring on the side.

Factory IH disk brakes have a heavy cast cover that is secured with FIVE bolts.

There is a third possibility. An H could also have aftermarket LAMBERT disk brakes which only have THREE bolts securing the cast cover.

The problem with positively identifying the tractor is, all the parts can be swapped around fairly easily. Who knows if you have an all-original, or a Frankentractor built from a bunch of salvage parts...

Another H / Super H difference is the engine. An H will have "C-152" cast into the engine block. A Super will be "C-164" due to its slightly larger displacement.
 
From what mkirsch says, along with the FBH on your s/n plates, it appears you have a very late production H, and an earlier H.
 
(quoted from post at 06:44:57 05/15/12) Can you tell me where that C-152 is located on the block?
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Most likely you will not find "C 152" anywhere on the block. IF it WAS there, you would find it on the block, behind the oil filter. All Hs DO have a number in that location, but that number is a part number. It wasn't until the Super H was introduced when that part number was replaced with "C 164"

Also, the H with the round shaped brake cover is equipped with the aftermarket, "Ausco-Lambert" disc brakes. These brakes were sometimes dealer installed, but never installed at the factory. A very few of the last Hs built in 1953 DID have the same disc brakes as were installed on the Super H.
 
A Super H will have "C164" cast in large characters in the upper right side of the block, about above the oil filter canister.

A regular H engine will show nothing here. (I don't believe "C152" was cast anywhere on H blocks.)
 
Not a Farmall guy ,but the main thing I found was a super H can actually pull itself around in high gear. What a big difference in power ! Really worth upgrading.
 
By the serial numbers mine are showing to be 1947 and 1950 year models so they won't be in the last H's produced. I have gotten a great response with a lot of good detailed information. Many thanks to all of you.
 
(quoted from post at 08:25:08 05/15/12) my 1944 H will cruise down the road in 5th gear with no problem.
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Both my 1940 H and my 1950 H will cruise easily down the road. I can even slow way down to a crawl, turn a corner, and easily pick up speed again.
 
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