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JDseller

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We went to church this morning. My wife was visiting with a few other Ladies after Sunday school. She over heard one of them talking about how tough money was for her right now. Her husband is a part time farmer and works in town at a local lumber yard. The problem is he is in the Air National Guard. He is currently at Riyadh Air Base in Saudi Arabia working in supply and support. This makes the third time he has been called up. The local lumber yard is good to him. They make up the difference between what he makes at the Air Guard and what his normal pay is. The problem is his farming operation. When he was called up his cousin runs his ground for him until he returns. The cousin is cash renting the ground. They do not have a written lease agreement. This year the cousin told her that he could not pay the rent until the fall harvest as he was too tight on money. What the he!!!! So she did not get the spring rent money she was counting on to make up the balance in income.

She asked my wife to have me come over this afternoon if I could. I went over right after lunch and the kids all left. She had a letter from her husband asking me if I would buy his JD 4040 tractor. I have told him if he ever wanted to sell it to call me. It is a factory open station with a quad range transmission. I always wanted one of these.

The price he asked was in the range the tractor is worth. The problem is that this just is not right!!!! He should not be worrying about this type of stuff while he is serving his country. I wrote her out a check for the whole amount and told her that the tractor could stay right where it was until after her husband gets home. I told her to tell him he can bring me the tractor or take some time and just pay me back. JUST the amount I gave her. I will NOT take a penny more.

I also told her that if she had any more trouble just to call or come on over to see me. I will not have her husband being treated this way!!!!

I told her to make sure and send a rent cancellation notice to the cousin in Sept. I told her my family would make sure that her husband's crops are planted in the future.

I am warring with myself on how to face down the scum ball cousin. I would love to just go kick his butt but that would not help the other family. I am leaning toward having my lawyer look into how we can get him kicked off the land sooner. I am willing to pay for the cost of the crop that is currently planted. You know seed fertilizer and fuel. Then let the soldier's family have any profit that is made this fall. I would think since he missed the rental payment that he is in breach of the rental agreement. Even though it was not written down there is a history of him paying the rent in the spring. Either way I will make his life miserable some how.
 
Good of you.

Focus on making the family's life better, forget about the cousin. It'll get evened out some day outside of our hands. Focus on the good people.

--->Paul
 
JDSeller if there were more neighbors like you the world would be a much better place. Thank you for supporting a young man who is serving our country.
 
Am just a mediator, not a lawyer, but without a contrct, it is his word against hers /(his). Since he has paid on time before, that might be enough to establish a pattern, and hence since he is "unable" to pay this time, unless agreed to by the parties, he might come off the ground earlier. Or, at least have to pay court set interest. If anything would be filed in court, it would be district court, lawyers, discovery, answers, motions, etc. Harvest will be here and long gone, maybe several years will pass, especially if he get a "good" lawyer who knows how to draw it out. Check with your atty, but the right way is sometimes not the fastest one... and she needs the money now, from what you told me.
 
(quoted from post at 21:22:48 05/13/12) We went to church this morning. My wife was visiting with a few other Ladies after Sunday school. She over heard one of them talking about how tough money was for her right now. Her husband is a part time farmer and works in town at a local lumber yard. The problem is he is in the Air National Guard. He is currently at Riyadh Air Base in Saudi Arabia working in supply and support. This makes the third time he has been called up. The local lumber yard is good to him. They make up the difference between what he makes at the Air Guard and what his normal pay is. The problem is his farming operation. When he was called up his cousin runs his ground for him until he returns. The cousin is cash renting the ground. They do not have a written lease agreement. This year the cousin told her that he could not pay the rent until the fall harvest as he was too tight on money. What the he!!!! So she did not get the spring rent money she was counting on to make up the balance in income.

She asked my wife to have me come over this afternoon if I could. I went over right after lunch and the kids all left. She had a letter from her husband asking me if I would buy his JD 4040 tractor. I have told him if he ever wanted to sell it to call me. It is a factory open station with a quad range transmission. I always wanted one of these.

The price he asked was in the range the tractor is worth. The problem is that this just is not right!!!! He should not be worrying about this type of stuff while he is serving his country. I wrote her out a check for the whole amount and told her that the tractor could stay right where it was until after her husband gets home. I told her to tell him he can bring me the tractor or take some time and just pay me back. JUST the amount I gave her. I will NOT take a penny more.

I also told her that if she had any more trouble just to call or come on over to see me. I will not have her husband being treated this way!!!!

I told her to make sure and send a rent cancellation notice to the cousin in Sept. I told her my family would make sure that her husband's crops are planted in the future.

I am warring with myself on how to face down the scum ball cousin. I would love to just go kick his butt but that would not help the other family. I am leaning toward having my lawyer look into how we can get him kicked off the land sooner. I am willing to pay for the cost of the crop that is currently planted. You know seed fertilizer and fuel. Then let the soldier's family have any profit that is made this fall. I would think since he missed the rental payment that he is in breach of the rental agreement. Even though it was not written down there is a history of him paying the rent in the spring. Either way I will make his life miserable some how.
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Good for you... and Thanks!!
If creditors are bothering her, they can be put at bay until he gets settled back at home.. As for the cousin, just see if you can get him off the place and maybe make him hafta tighten his belt a little to see how it feels......
Family is much more bearable when there's an ocean and a few rivers between you.....
 
If it would help the family get the cousin off early. If not cancel the rent and tell him not to come back next spring. Our Reserve and National Guard serve alot of tours overseas and most of the people do not realize they are gone as much as the active duty soldiers.

Bless you for helping out this Soldier and his family
 
What I can tell you is if it is a year to year lease she does not need a reason to terminate it. But Nebraska law would require written notice before Sept 1st for the following year.
 

This is her money that the cousin is talking about, he obviously has no right to transfer his problem onto her. However a little amicable discussion could help resolve the problem, like maybe he could get a loan to pay her now with a little positive persuasion as opposed to being pushed. Do any of us get more agreable when pushed?
 

I know you two mean well and what you say is right because everything we say or do comes back sooner or later...

But this cousin is stressing one of our soldiers (air force guys are still soldiers in a sense :roll: ) while he's taking care of us and causing his family undue hardship... he deserves to be beat within an inch of his life.. Let him go, and he'll continue to screw folks over.... If you've ever served in the military as a young soldier with a family and been exposed to all the sharks that swam around just outside the post to in the form of loan offices, pawnshops, and car/appliance dealers... You were dealing with folks no different than this cousin...

That's just me tho..... Don't mess with my soldiers.....
 
(quoted from post at 04:30:44 05/14/12)
Do any of us get more agreable when pushed?
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Depends on who's pushing and how hard...Fix it (him) right the first time and he prolly'll think twice about doing it again.........

Course that's just me and my heathen ways.......
 
My Dad, former Navy man, told me long ago that Family will mess you over before a stranger would. This situation proves him right. As someone who has been messed over by family AND acquaintances, I agree with the sentiment to end his 'lease' early. You, sir, have done a very good thing. I would have done exactly the same. Kind of like Angels come in all sorts of disguises-some unaware of what they are!
 
Handle it with the mindset that you have exercised so far. There is time to come to the right solution!
Good luck any you are a good man to think of your fellow man.
Andy
 
(quoted from post at 04:34:24 05/14/12)
I know you two mean well and what you say is right because everything we say or do comes back sooner or later...

But this cousin is stressing one of our soldiers (air force guys are still soldiers in a sense :roll: ) while he's taking care of us and causing his family undue hardship... he deserves to be beat within an inch of his life.. Let him go, and he'll continue to screw folks over.... If you've ever served in the military as a young soldier with a family and been exposed to all the sharks that swam around just outside the post to in the form of loan offices, pawnshops, and car/appliance dealers... You were dealing with folks no different than this cousin...

That's just me tho..... Don't mess with my soldiers.....
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While it is always tempting to try to "teach scum a lesson" and we all have a little John Wayne in us, It is still important to remember that the primary objective here is to help the lady. Right? So maybe get her the money first by whatever works best, remembering that even though he is scum that he is still protected by law, then, phase two think about teaching a lesson.
 
JDseller, Thanks for what you have done! Made me feel a lot better while I was serving knowing that there were people like you around that my wife could go to while I was gone. Me, I'd want revenge......but I'm old enough to know that sometimes that's counter productive.

Robert NC......let me set the record strait.......Active duty are gone more then the part timers. Even while at home station they are gone for weeks at a time for field training, schools and gunneries. A lot of active units are on the 6th or 7th or 8th deployment sense this mess started wile most guard/reserve units have 1-3 deployments. ALL of them, active and part timers, have sacrificed to serve our nation though and should have our gratitude!
 
I like your style. Absolutely see if you can get him kicked off. Then go to the wife and lay out your proposal - cousin is in violation, you"ll pay for what"s been done, do what"s necessary to get the harvest in, deduct only your cost & profit is hers.

While you"re talking to her, you might get the husband"s email address and let him know his wife & the farm are being taken care of.

For some reason, some family members think they treat family worse than total strangers.
 
The real question here is the cousin being a deadbeat or is he legitimately broke? It's very possible that he had every intention of making good on the agreement, but fell on hard times himself.

We all know how a few badly-timed expenses can really put a guy in a bind. Tractor dies. Car dies. Kid gets sick. Septic system fails. Any of those things could happen between spring planting and spring payment.

Since you have so graciously dealt with this family's immediate financial need, I say let the crop season run its course and see if the cousin pays.

You can put some pressure on him to make the spring payment, but do not get violent. Keep it civil. Tell him what he's doing to this family. Make him feel bad about not paying (maybe he already does?).
 
"The real question here is the cousin being a deadbeat or is he legitimately broke?"


Does that really matter? If he can't pay the rent now the chances of him paying it later are even less. If he broke the rental agreement her first move should have been to find a new renter. Him being broke doesn't make his landlord his banker to borrow money from.

My father in law just had to do the same thing. The renter called with a sob story about his tractor being broke down the fertilizer needing to be spread on the hay ground. Father in law agreed to spread the fertizer but the bill at the COOP was their's. Spread the fertilizer and told them how much it was. Two months later the COOP sent a letter telling him his account was in danger of being cut off for nonpayment. FIL paid the bill and asked me to help him get his baler back in shape so he can put up the hay this year.
 
I applaud you getting involved.

Cous needs a good old family azz whoopen. A family azz whoopen is one designed not to hurt too bad but simply get his attention. Needs to be administered by another family member.

Sister in law was getting abused. Brothers in laws went and had a meeting, just talk. Did no good, he promptly beat her again for us getting involved. I called his brother, he and 2 other brothers, flew into town from different parts of the country and lit him up. No one called the cops and he never touched her again. That was 20+ years ago. He was a different person and got fun to be around after that.

Might try to see if there are any other family members that can go talk to him.

If that doesn't work get an attorney involved. Find one that will do it for cheap or free. There are a lot of good attorneys that will get involved in a scenario like this.
 
You are to be commended for your kind actions. All too often people only get involved if there is personal gain for themselves. Wish I were close to where you are I would help with the crops, or whatever. Again, I thank you for being a nice human being.
 
(quoted from post at 06:51:35 05/14/12) "The real question here is the cousin being a deadbeat or is he legitimately broke?"


Does that really matter? If he can't pay the rent now the chances of him paying it later are even less. If he broke the rental agreement her first move should have been to find a new renter. Him being broke doesn't make his landlord his banker to borrow money from.
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As I understand the situation, there is NO "lease agreement" which leaves payment terms open to interpretation. Claiming he owes a spring payment will not stand up in court without a lease agreement.

It also appears that the cousin has already put the crops in.

If you kick the cousin out now, there will be trouble. He will make himself out to be the injured party, find a cheap/free lawyer to listen to his sob story, and force the family to hire their own lawyer with money they do NOT have.

Common sense and logic have little meaning when lawyers become involved.

If it were my land he could forget about using it next year, but if he already has his crops in, he gets the benefit of the doubt.
 
I agree that him having the crops in changes what she can do this year - the fact she allowed it modifies their verbal agreement. The time to act was when the rent came due and he didn't pay it. I missed that when I posted before. Now she's stuck with him and can only hope he pays at all.
 
JDseller, On another note, I'm in the market (July/Aug time frame) for another utility sized tractor in the 3-4K range. If you should find one (would really like A Ford in the 600 series or 2000) please let me know. I'd rather do business with a guy like you and you are in driving range.

Rick
 
If the tenant is broke, it's even more urgent to take action now. He got the money for fuel and seed from somebody, and chances are whoever fronted him the money has a lein on his crop.
 
JDSELLER, wish you lived closer so I could give you a good pat on the back. Its good to know there are still honorable people left in this world. We seems we hear only of the scumbags.

Joe
 
I can't believe you all have missed her best "weapon" against that weasel.

Judge Advocate General. He's on active duty.

She needs to contact them ASAP. She can get excellent legal advice/representation from them, and at no cost.
 
Just wondering how they set up the agreement on rent? I've never heard of anybody getting a spring rent check in my life and I know a LOT of people that rent out farm ground. I've even rented it out myself and the rent NEVER came around until fall for anybody. Curious if anybody on here has ever heard of a spring rent check?
 
(quoted from post at 09:05:41 05/14/12) I can't believe you all have missed her best "weapon" against that weasel.

Judge Advocate General. He's on active duty.

She needs to contact them ASAP. She can get excellent legal advice/representation from them, and at no cost.
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Nope, not any longer. All they can do is give her a list of civvy lawyers that may be able to help her.

Rick
 
davpal, round here it's normal to pay the rent 1/2 in the spring when 1st 1/2 of taxes are due and the 2nd 1/2 in the fall.

Rick
 
WEll, of COURSE we have. It depends on the agreement between the 2 parties; around 'here', the agreements that immediately come to mind.......... some (a portion or all) is due the 1st of January; some (a portion or all) is due the 1st of March; all is due when the crops are harvested; all is due when the crops are sold; some (a portion) is due October 15 and the remainder is due when the crops are sold, etc, etc, etc.
 
I lease farmland in Colorado to a couple of different tenants. In both cases, 1/2 the cash rent is due in April, the second half in December. That's standard practice in that part of the country.
 
I always read your posts,and just want to say that you are a fine individual,and if the world had more people who had feelings like you do ,we would be much better off, .... Larry
 
I would like to thank you, yet I will not make judgement on the cousin because I am not wearing his shoes. The cousin may have had very good intentions, but got in over his ears.

I will offer to help you take out the crops if at all posible. I have limited time, but will make a honest attempt to help you out.
 
(quoted from post at 21:22:48 05/13/12) We went to church this morning. My wife was visiting with a few other Ladies after Sunday school. She over heard one of them talking about how tough money was for her right now. Her husband is a part time farmer and works in town at a local lumber yard. The problem is he is in the Air National Guard. He is currently at Riyadh Air Base in Saudi Arabia working in ----]
Kudos to you JDseller, Retired and just read this post, and glad to see the positive attitudes. Got spit on coming back to the land of the big BX in 68.
Thought I would through this in as I just recieved my newsletter.


National Military Appreciation Month

Week of May 14, 2012


May is National Military Appreciation Month when U.S. Citizens are encouraged to honor the current and former members of the armed forces, including those who have died in the pursuit of freedom and peace. The theme of this year's commemoration is 'Resiliency - honoring the perseverance of Soldiers, Family members, Civilians and Veterans since the birth of our Nation.' For more information, visit the U.S. Army's Stand-To! website and the National Military Appreciation Month website. For more on Military Appreciation Month events, visit the Military.com National Military Appreciation Month site.
Get tha %$**! cousin to tell how he honers those that have kept his priviliged A$$ alive.
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The lien would be the best place to start. A lot of times there is a line of creditors and the first ones in line get paid first. You are to be commended for helping out someone who is being done wrong.
 
I see lots of posts on here about the co-op spraying the wrong field with roundup or dual....... Just a thought. Evil laugh :Roll Kippster
 
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