OT-ethnol free gas availability question

There is a web site that list ethanol free gas in TX. There is 94 on one list and 96 on another. Most are in smaller towns. These stations make up a very small % of gas sales. Where do they get the gas? Is all the gas ethanol free and ethanol added when tanker truck is filled? I don't see how it is possible for these 94 or 96 stations scattered all over the state can get ethanol free gas from the same source.

You can advertise what ever you want.

I believe Texas is part of that central band of states from Texas to north Dakota, where the air quality is good enough that ethanol is not mandated. Here in ND, we can buy E0-E10-E30--E85, all at the same station.

doubtful to be a "complete" list; typical of info on many websites...

1) not all the ethanol free stations are listed.
2) ethanol is stored in a separate tank and added at the loading rack as the tanker is filling.

For the most part refineries are only making 2 grades of gas. 84 and 91 octane. Some still make 87 and 93 but the number is less every day.

84+ ethanol= 87;
84+91+ ethanol= 89;
91+ ethanol= 93

To get pure gas the rack has to be programmed to mix 84 and 91 with no ethanol. Yes all it takes is a computer program to get pure gas.
Subsidies and Incentives of the past and now Mandates drive ethanol use for most areas of the country.

" Is all the gas ethanol free and ethanol added when tanker truck is filled? "

That is a great question and one that folks in some parts of the country don't understand. The states you see offering E Free gas are mainly on the outside area where E is made. These are the states that have had problems with E. Most of the E is blended at refineries. Those are the folks that have no problems with E. In my area E is added when the gasoline is being loaded in the tanker to be delivered to the stores that sell the gas.

Only problems I've had has been with small engines. If gas with E I buy for chainsaws I've gotta use it before 15 days or the saws won't start and have to dump the gas and buy new. Since we have E Free I have gas in my cans and saws that's several months old now and it's still good gas and no problems starting the small engines.

And yes we have gasoline that does not have Ethanol in it. I've tested it to make sure. You can do the test yourself without buying a kit. Use a small clear container and put a little water in the container and set it on a level surface. Make a mark on the outside with a marker on the water line. Then add gas and shake it up. Let it sit over night so the water settle back to the bottom. Then check the water line you marked and if it's higher than it was when you marked it that gas has Ethanol in it. If not the water line will be the same as when you started.

Folks in areas that only have Ethanol gas at the pump use this to remove the ethanol from the gas for their small engine use too. The ethanol will mix with the water and you just dump that out and have straight gasoline left.

I'm thankful I have a gas station within 4 miles of me and they now offer gas with E and one tank dedicated to E Free. The E Free cost more but gas mileage is better. Seeing more and more stations offering E Free now too. There's 5 station in my local driving area that offer E Free.

I would not trust any one of these lists. I'm not sure to which site you refer, but there's a very popular one, pure-gas.org, where ANYONE can put ANY STATION on the list, and anyone can take any station off.

If you actually care about ethanol in your gas, the only way to be sure is to test it. It's not that difficult and requires only a mayonnaise jar and a grease pencil. Otherwise, you might as well assume the gasoline you buy has ethanol in it, because it probably does.

I live in Iowa and if yiu want to start an argument just mention ethanol. My chainsaw dealer told me to use 100% gasoling, Premium grade. Carbrutors (sp?) also last much longer on 100% gasoline.
It is difficult to get a scientific test on a vehile but I have made the same 500 mile (one way) trip about 20 times burning gasoline/ethanol mix one way and 100% gasoline the other way. I seem to get about 5% better fuel mileage with 100% gasoline.
Fight from ethanol supporters are likely to get more emotional as corn prices are likely to be softer this year.
Has anybody ever seen a test conducted in a lab brtween gasoling and ethanol?

In N MN The Cennex stations all have is, in Bemidji it seems quite common. I only buy it for my motorcycle and 2-cycle engines that I mix for.

The operator at the very old station were I buy pure gas tells me he would have to install new tanks for E blends...How true I dunno... It does test pure-gas... He sells used tires, state inspections, oil changes etc the quick sales... He pumps the gas so he can look for those quick sales,, it was $4.15 @gal. last week...

I know here in Ohio and Indiana you cannot buy anything but ethnol gas unless possibly at airport and have no plane so don't get there. Been that way for years.

Doubt that seriously. Here in OK, you have to have a sticker on the pump, visible to the consumer (is usually next to the pump handle) stating if and how much ethanol "may" be in the fuel. Both stations here in Mangum, OK now sell 100% ethanol free gas and road diesel. One's a small chain out of Wynnewood, OK, the other one is a Love's (out of OKC, OK) Love's went ethanol free last year after upgrading their pumps, lost too much business to Mangum Oil&Gas......Go figure! Ralph.

i wish all of it was ethanol free. ethanol made from corn is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of and i am a farmer.

Pumps yes but on a web site like the original post said , you can put what ever you want.

Here in central OK. Stations that have "Ethnol free" gas mite have large signs or banners saying so . One sign in Bristow,Ok. said : NO CORN COB GAS HERE!. Thought that was cute . We will gladly pay extra for pure gas. clint, a former corn producer.

Up here in the Northwoods BP advertised "Ethanol Free" premium, most of the Shell stations jumped on the band wagon and offer Ethanol free premium, Citgo does not. The guy that sold me fuel for our stand-by generator at the jail said they also carry alcohol free regular no-lead that's what most of the farmers and loggers buy from him.

The local distributor that delivers to farm tanks here in east Texas delivers nothing but ethanol free gasoline and red diesel to farms.

Here in central NY the petroleum fuel arrives by pipeline. The alcohol is trucked in to separate tanks at the same facility. It is blended as it is loaded on the trucks headed for the dealer/distributor. That way all the headaches are on the little guy!
My dealer says he has no way of getting alcohol free gas.
There is apparently a terminal in the Rochester area, and a dealer there that work together to supply alcohol free gas. It is available at one little, local, rural store that I know of here. I believe here it is only supposed to be used in off road things like little engines, boats, aircraft, etc.

I suspect using tax $$ to cover corn growers cost of production ($4.00),so they could dispose of corn to poultry and livestock feeders for $1.75, far less than the cost of production, was far more stupid.

Atleast by producing ethanol, corn growers can survive with out a heavy subsidy, and we import less oil from our terrorist enemys.

Ethanol in gasoline is a good product. I have used E10 for 30 years without any problems.

Your tests are pretty close to actual lab tests.
Gasoline with 10% ethanol (E10) has 3% less btu's than E0, so your 5% lower mpg is pretty accurate. Lab tests, depending on engine design, have shown a 4% mpg drop on an engine whose design can not benifit from ethanols higher octane. Other engine designs showed no mpg change and one actually improved slightly.

One station here in town puts up an ethanol-free sign off and on since the 1980s.

I don't buy from them since that sign went up.

Everyone's milage varies on this topic.

At the pipeline here you stop at the end of the lane and put the ethanol in the tanker, and then proceed to the pipeline and dump the gas on top of it. It is two completely different fill sites.

i milk cows and sell corn and i can tell you things were alot better for everyone when corn was 2 dollars