rent prices vs subsidies???

Anonymous-0 · Apr 18, 2012

Without starting a fight....
When you folks pay a price to rent crop/hay/pasture land... How much can you offset by subsidies???

just had a pasture come open that is big compared to the others I have. It's 2 acres and only pasture (no trees). 150 bucks an acre/year. That's a lot of money compared to what I pay with fruit trees. But the farmers get that much in subsidies here. Makes it almost impossible for a small/hobby guy to compete. Is stuff in the States subsidized that much??? Rent prices alone seem to compare..

Just wondering....

VADAVE · Apr 18, 2012

Subsidy? what subsidy?
I get a small direct payment that was figured from the old ag progam which died about '95 or '96. I expect that to go away with the directed feederal cuts this year. I di get a surprise check which I can only surmize is the external_link stimulus. The only subsidy is what the government picks up for crop insurance.
Nothing pays the rent!

IaGary · Apr 18, 2012

Depending on your "base"(how many acres of corn were
planted on the land back 15 years ago or so) yes
there is a direct payment of about $15 an acre on
what I farm.

Gary

Anonymous-0 · Apr 18, 2012

(quoted from post at 04:55:27 04/18/12) Depending on your "base"(how many acres of corn were
planted on the land back 15 years ago or so) yes
there is a direct payment of about $15 an acre on
what I farm.

Gary

the tree huggers give em much more than that to leave it lay.........

RodinNS · Apr 18, 2012

Subsidy? LOL.
The only subsidy/grants we get here are generally targeted towards environmental type initiatives or food safety. There's nothing of an operational type nature that's tied to land on a per acre basis.

Rod

rrlund · Apr 18, 2012

It was the subsidy on pasture part that had me rolling on the floor.

oldtanker · Apr 18, 2012

Dave what you are saying sounds more like CRP. That's not a subsidy for the renter/farmer, thats more for the land owner, paying them not to farm the land. Basically the farmer has to meet or beat the per acre price the government pays.

Some of CRP is to limit production, some is from the tree huggers.

Rick

paul · Apr 18, 2012

There is a small - $10-20 - subsidy on farmed land - grain crops like corn, soybeans, wheat, oats, etc. It is based on what crops were grown on that land back in the late 1980's tho, belive it or not. Then there are some subsidies based on very low grain prices, but if those kick in farmers are really hurting.... The latest craze is the govt subsidising crop insurance programs, so if the farmer buys crop insirance it costs less. Govt feels they will pay out less this way.

There are a lot of tree-hugger payments for various grasslands to plant them & let them remain native, for hunting ground. No harvesting allowed.

Hay ground and vegetable ground is not subsidised.

So, your question seems odd, as hay ground esp is _not_ subsidised.

--->Paul

Anonymous-0 · Apr 18, 2012

I just said subsidy as a general thing because I didn't know what else to call it...

I guess there are more programs here than you can shake a stick at... Most are very generous... We had to register as a small farm in order to keep from tearing down 2 10x30 leanto's.. They want to give us 100 per acre per year because our stuff is pasture and not crops....We won't do it because it's selling your soul.... They then tell you when, how long, and how many horses you can put on it........
Farmers are not hurting here.......

Anonymous-0 · Apr 18, 2012

Dave, we have more programs than you can shake a stick at here also. We get direct payments depending on crop history, $6-20 and acre ? Then come the non direct payments, counter cyclical payments, loan deficiency payments, disaster payments, farm loans, plus all sorts of energy program stuff now. Throw in heavly taxpayer subsideies low cost water for irrigation I am sure some guys are getting way over $150 an acre. Did I mention the University research that taxpayers foot the bill for and farmers get the benefit. Farm to market roads, Rural Electric Coops, I am sure I forgot something. Crop land and hay land is considered the same thing, in North Dakota where I farm anyway. On pasture land there are some grass land and wetland programs, and something called EQUIP, that one helps pay for cross fencing pasture, fencing out the creeks and water development like water tanks and pipelines.

gbs · Apr 18, 2012

as for the for mentioned EQUIP,CRP AND SO forth you better be politically connected and standing in line for anything from that bunch, always got a committee trying to accesses what to spend the funds on if they get allocated good luck to receiving anything from that bunch of bureaucrats been there and tried, strange thing always something that didn't fit there criteria

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