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Fordfarmer

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My sister and BIL have been asking questions about various handguns. I've listed several I like, and suggested they go to a gun shop and try holding several to see how they fit their hands. One model that I want them to try I can't remember the model number. I'm pretty sure it's a Smith and Wesson. I was reading about it a few months ago in American Rifleman. Basically, it's a scaled down 1911 - like 2/3 scale. Even if they don't like it or buy it, I'd like to take a look at one, but haven't been able to find it in the limited looking I've done. Is it a Smith, or am I looking in the wrong direction? Thanks.
 
I don't know the model that you are referring to, but you say that they are asking questions about various handguns. Asking you? If you have some and are practiced, take them to a range and work with them. If not, great idea you suggested, take them to a reputable gun dealer and let the gun dealer work with them. Tonight I heard a neighbor out firing off a small caliber gun that I assumed was a handgun the way that they were squeezing them off in succession. It was small. My first thought was something like a .22 or.25, but I can't think of a neighbor that has one that small. Maybe just bought one.

Enjoy, be careful, good luck.

Mark
 
Ford farmer.Is the gun for pesonal protection or just target plinking? Hard to stop am imtruder with such a small caliber unless its a head shot. A 220lb man is hard to stop at any renge. something to think on. LOU.
 
I know Ruger made a 22/45......it's the MarkII .22 with a 45 style grip....I own a bull barrel model. The reciver, action and barrel is the same as the MarkII.

Rick
 
Fordfarmer the only scaled down 1911 that I know of is Brownings 1911-22 compact pistol. It looks like a scaled down 1911.
 
I have a pistol that looks like a scaled-down 1911, but it's a .25, not a .22. It's a Colt. My only .22 is the 6-inch Ruger Mark II. I'm thinking about getting a .22 conversion kit for my SA 1911. (My Judge public defender was absent the day of the class photo---my wife carries it.)
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The Ruger Mark II are the most unreliable as far as feeding ammo. There are much better options out there for .22 semi-autos.
 
Really ? I have had my Markll for many years and never had many problems. If it did jam it was because of my poor cleaning every other year
 
Apparently the one you fired had issues, because they are among the most reliable .22 semiautos ever built.

Mine has fired literally thousands of rounds and I finally had to field strip it and clean it last year after owning it for over 20 years.

The only failures I've ever had with it were directly related to cheap Remington bulk ammo, which gives me fits in EVERY .22 I have. Shot up the last of it last fall and will not be buying it again regardless of price.
 
I have used several ruger that have had problem extracking empty casings and the guns were clean. I get better service from Brownings Buck Mark with a target barrel. I still like Ruger but find the Browning a little better designed pistol.
 
While various people have made .22 versions of the 1911 over the years, you're probably thinking of the Browning 1911-22, which is fairly new. Link below has an extensive review of it. The Ruger 22/45 has been around for several years as well, though it's intended to have same grip angle as the 1911, not necessarily to be a copy of it. The Ruger semi-autos have proven themselves over more than half a century of continuous production, with millions made, which should speak volumes as to their quality and reliability. My Mark II has been very reliable during the 20 years I've owned it, though like any gun, it has ammo preferences, and it doesn't like the the real bottom-of-the-barrel stuff.
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Thanks everyone. Yes, the one I was thinking of is the Browning 1911-22. I'd looked on Smith's website, and knew it wasn't the 22A.
My sister and BIL are looking towards self-defense, but I'm steering them toward a .22 as a first gun, so they will get good with it - cheap to shoot, and not enough noise or recoil to cause flinching. They like the idea of a .22 as a first gun. And even a hit (or 3 or 5) from a .22 is better self defensed than a clip-full of misses from a 9mm, .40, or .45.
My wife has also been talking about learning to shoot. I have a Ruger MKII with a 10" bull barrel. I like it, and it's -very- reliable, but not what I want to use to teach my wife to shoot - too long/heavy for her small hands. My Colt 1991 .45 isn't a good choice for teaching her either, though I want her to learn how to use it. That's why I like the idea of one that's just like it, but smaller. Had thought about the Ruger .22/45 MKII or MKIII, but would rather have one that looks and handles (grip, safety, etc.)the same as my .45 to make it easier for her. Makes a good excuse to get another gun, anyway. :)
 

Ofcourse I don't see the last issue of "American Rifleman" handy, but it was in the issue before this one..A 25% Reduction in size..looks just like the 45 Cal 1911...

Ron..
 
What ammo have you had trouble with? The one I bought used almost 20 years ago eats every thing from the cheapest, bad smelling ferr'n made stuff bought in bulk to stingers fine as long as she gets a good clean'n ever three or four years.

Most of the time it gets tunderbolts (cheapest thing wal-mart sells). The little garden here by the house is just out side the dine'n room window and my mark II stays on top of the china cabinet right by the window. In the time it took me to eat breakfast this morn'n I killed two starlings with it. It ain't pretty any more but is still a great little gun.

Dave
 

If they are first time gun owners I would steer them towards a revolver. Nothing against the 1911 platform, but it requires a certain amount of training and familiarity to use it properly, especially under stress. If you carry cocked and locked you must flick the safety to fire. New carriers may be reluctant to carry cocked and locked anyway.

A revolver goes bang every time you pull the trigger and you don't have to think about engaging the safety when you re-holster after firing.
 
Any gun can make a self-defense weapon when deployed appropriately. I doubt you will find many/any bad guys out there who would keep advancing after receiving a face full of .22 LR.

IMHO .22 is a great caliber for people that might otherwise hesitate in a situation where they need to defend themselves. The sudden realization that OMFG I am going to kill this guy isn't there with a .22. They'll have the confidence to just pepper the guy with lead and make him WORK for what he's after, drive him off, or put him in the hospital.
 
They'll be practicing with my guns (well, the .22 and .45 anyway...maybe not the .44 mag) next time they visit, but they are a 7-8 hour drive away.
 
If transitioning to the the .45 is the long term plan, then that's an excellent approach.

GSG also makes a .22 1911, priced quite reasonably.

Grandson has one, it likes the high velocity .22 stuff like CCI Stingers or Minimags, but that's likely because it's new and a bit stiff.
 
I have a smith 41 and it is the finest pistol I've ever owned/shot/handled. Trigger is just perfect, the action is smooth as silk, and it is a dream to shoot. I picked it up used but it still cost a pretty penny but IMO it was well worth it.
 
You want reasonably priced and easier to clean..
S&W 22A.

Dependable and accurate but need three hands to disassemble.
Ruger Mark series I, II, III

Dependable, accurate, easy to clean but pricey.
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I also have a S&W 22A for target practice/armadillo defense, and I love it. I have a bigger gun for bad guys/zombies.
 
Fordfarmer: another possibility is the Sig-Sauer 1911-22. Don't know anything about it personally, but assuming it's up to Sig's usual (high) quality standards, it should also be an excellent gun.
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Tim, just FYI, it is my understanding that the Sig is just a re-badged GSG.

I'm a Sig guy, have a couple and love 'em, but they do tend to be quite proud of their name.
 
I have fired many thousands of rounds thru my Ruger Mark II since I bought it in 1966. The only malfunctions have been misfires due to uneven priming in the case(very common on .22 rimfire), same is true of my High Standard Citation Military(bought it in 1968). They are both absolutely reliable and I used them in competition for years. In those years of competition I have seen failures due to smokestacking, etc. on various finely tuned .45's but never on my .22's.
 
got my with this Beretta Neos 22 LR for Valentine's Day and she's put over 1200 rounds through it so far without a snag. Looked at the Ruger - way too hard to take down to clean, the beretta is really easy. Very accurate, inexpensive (I paid $238 at Gander), super reliable but looks like a ray gun. She loves it.
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