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This topic has come up here before. I see there's some news on it today.
A New Mexico firm has applied for for licensing to slaughter horses for food.
The PETA types are already putting their forces in place to defeat it.
We'll see.
To me it seems almost criminal to allow the junk horse population to explode out of control.
And with the price of beef these days I might even buy horse meat if it becomes available.
Once the venison runs out that is.
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it's gotten to the point here that you can't even give a horse away...lot of people wake up to find that they have gained a couple horses..
 
Ya,they're wanting to put one in Mountain Grove Mo too. Some of the locals that "ain't from around there" are having a fit.
 
(quoted from post at 04:59:06 04/14/12) it's gotten to the point here that you can't even give a horse away...lot of people wake up to find that they have gained a couple horses..
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that's that horse + a horse = a horse math that the village idiots pick up. Same when you get a favorite dog breed in a commercial and everyone wants to breed/sell them..... If you want a good horse, you still have to pay good money for it, even in Ohio..... Thing about slaughtering in the States is the amount/proximity of slaughterhouses, free market (lack of better words) where the ones that are allowed to slaughter charge accordingly, and bubba that crams em in his truck will wipe you out in shipping charges. Add to that that there are no enforced regulations on treatment of animals until after the fact and all the mind your own business idiots like jump in here every time you mention the treatment of animals, and it's no wonder peta gets em in a wad....

Then,you'llnot only have scrap metal thieves, but horse/donkey thieves taking not good plows and balers, but pedigreed stock....

Now, see how long it takes some dummy to chime in and defend bubba......

Horse slaughter is the norm here with slaughterhouses just setting aside a couple of days a week (or as necessary) for the deed. They cannot take animals without papers without being shut down. Animal haulers are under strict but not real tuff restrictions, and junk animals get slaughtered while good animals are left alone. That shoot from the hip "we can slaughter now" is just gonna make folks look even stupider and they'll by far overshadow the responsible ones....

POOF!!!
 
Come on now. Somebody's gonna steal them to sell them? They didn't when slaughter was happening before,they won't now. We're not talking about super high prices,just humane disposal.
 
(quoted from post at 06:19:24 04/14/12) Come on now. Somebody's gonna steal them to sell them? They didn't when slaughter was happening before,they won't now. We're not talking about super high prices,just humane disposal.
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watch and see...... no skin off my a$$ cause I'm not there.... Just watch.... Some "studies" will "prove" that horse meat is even healthier than ostrich and bison, and bubba's cousin will be buyin a truck and buildin stock racks...... just write it down somewhere so you can look back and say "dave told me so".....
 
Well said rr.
Some people just get so emotionally charged up about the issue. Then you get nothing but hyperbole.
Somehow we managed to have horse slaughter for many years without Silver, Black Beauty,
Dan Patch, Rosinante and Mr Ed getting stolen and eaten.
 
(quoted from post at 06:34:28 04/14/12) Well said rr.
Some people just get so emotionally charged up about the issue. Then you get nothing but hyperbole.
Somehow we managed to have horse slaughter for many years without Silver, Black Beauty,
Dan Patch, Rosinante and Mr Ed getting stolen and eaten.
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Don't get me wrong.... I'm all for it, especially after seeing how horses are disposed of by other means... We#ve put 3 down over the years and a butcher got them all. Animal lived with pride, walked (limped) into the slaughter house with pride, and went out without knowing what hit it. As apposed to a vet, big needle, confusion, waiting on a disposal truck to pick it up with a fork and dump it in a bin.....

I'm just talking about the idiots that'll try and get rich off it....... If there are none, I'll kissyerass and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd.......
 
Well Dave II give us your shipping address. You can take care of the old horses that we have no way to dispose of. The state parks are getting over ran with horses in some areas here because the do gooders just take their horse there and turn it loose.

I say we give every tree hugger a horse that he/she has to take care of at their personal exspence. I bet in just a few months we would have legal horse slaughter again.

When horses where slaughtered here they where only bring a $100 to 150 for healthy horses. Skinny ones where only $25-50. So I don't see many stealing them to sell for slaughter.
 
(quoted from post at 06:52:13 04/14/12) Well Dave II give us your shipping address. You can take care of the old horses that we have no way to dispose of. The state parks are getting over ran with horses in some areas here because the do gooders just take their horse there and turn it loose.

I say we give every tree hugger a horse that he/she has to take care of at their personal exspence. I bet in just a few months we would have legal horse slaughter again.

When horses where slaughtered here they where only bring a $100 to 150 for healthy horses. Skinny ones where only $25-50. So I don't see many stealing them to sell for slaughter.
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One of 3 things in play here brother....
1) your reading comprehension really sucks
2) you ain't too bright
3) you missed my next reply..

or a 4th where you just wanna be belligerant and show your ignorance (don't think you're really that kinda guy tho)

Every county in the populated areas and you folks out west figure what's reasonable should have a slaughter house that handles horses and the ferral pigs you folks talk about. Just need to be regulated enough to discourage cruelty and thievery..... Animal quality and prices will go up, and folks will live happy ever after
 
(quoted from post at 07:12:26 04/14/12) Dave2, your an idiot sometimes.
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I sure am, but explain this one please. Try to keep things in an intelligent manner and tell me where /what anything I said was wrong...

Mindless babbling will only bring negative feedback so try a little here.....
 
Well it would feed homeless and or anyone who is hungry and has no income, given the economic situation, why would it not make sense unless there are FDA and related issues.

I'd be all for it, we inherited 2 after the boarder accumulated a hefty bill for boarding, glad I was not handling this, first sign of trouble, something would have been done, no way I'd let someone dig a big hole worth over $5000. We have all these horse rescue places, fine if they have the money, but get stuck with 2 extra ones you can't do anything with, but you had best pay to keep em well or you'll get busted for abuse. I'll say this, there needs to be some protection for stables, you abandon, they get charged and take responsibility, not the stable owner, or they just get slaughtered, that simple, not fair for someone to cost another person thousands of dollars for their own stupidity, in this case, were me, SSS would have been done immediately, those thousands of dollars would not be spent period, sounds harsh, but business is business when it comes to getting stuck with the bills.
 
(quoted from post at 07:22:50 04/14/12) Well it would feed homeless and or anyone who is hungry and has no income, given the economic situation, why would it not make sense unless there are FDA and related issues.

I'd be all for it, we inherited 2 after the boarder accumulated a hefty bill for boarding, glad I was not handling this, first sign of trouble, something would have been done, no way I'd let someone dig a big hole worth over $5000. We have all these horse rescue places, fine if they have the money, but get stuck with 2 extra ones you can't do anything with, but you had best pay to keep em well or you'll get busted for abuse. I'll say this, there needs to be some protection for stables, you abandon, they get charged and take responsibility, not the stable owner, or they just get slaughtered, that simple, not fair for someone to cost another person thousands of dollars for their own stupidity, in this case, were me, SSS would have been done immediately, those thousands of dollars would not be spent period, sounds harsh, but business is business when it comes to getting stuck with the bills.
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Don't know if there is such a thing there, butb there are travelling (??) butchers here. Someone has a straight upfacility and the butcher comes/does the deed...
It'd pay farmers to support something like that in the States, but the bubba syndrom won't let it happen.....
 
(quoted from post at 07:28:44 04/14/12) When you initiate a post I just skip over it. When
you chime in, sometimes I can't help myself. BTW,
the squiggly red line means it's misspelled.
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Now THAT was intelligent.... You better take a nap and rest up after that one...

Have a good weekend....
 

It seems every few weeks the authorities are taking a bunch of horses away from some "cruel, heartless beast" of a horse owner. I have known some of these owners. Until their situation changed they were taking in neglected horses themselves. Then they get in a jam and they can't take care of them and they can't give them away, so they get reported by a do gooder, and they are made to look like demons in the papers. That law is promoting suffering of the horses.
 
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It seems every few weeks the authorities are taking a bunch of horses away from some "cruel, heartless beast" of a horse owner. I have known some of these owners. Until their situation changed they were taking in neglected horses themselves. Then they get in a jam and they can't take care of them and they can't give them away, so they get reported by a do gooder, and they are made to look like demons in the papers. That law is promoting suffering of the horses.
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If we were there, our horses would be taken away also ( I imagine).... They stay outside 24/7 from march to december without a roof. Fat as ponies and healthy as a horse, but they don#t have a roof and some other stuff..... And they only get fed twice a day..... you wouldn#t believe the questions and looks that are thrown at me by the Americans that live in our town and walk by the pastures........
 
I think it's sad that people can't have a debate - even a conversation - without someone getting frustrated and calling the other guy an idiot.
So I'm on your side there ok?
On the other hand I thought you were way out in left field to suggest that the advent of horse slaughter was going to cause the wicked among us to start stealing horses - good horses - and jam pack them into a trailer to sell for slaughter.
That just seemed so over the top that I could understand how/why someone would, shall we say, question your brilliance.
I hope this meets your criteria as non mindless babble as I did try real hard to write this.
 
I had some horse meat in China. It was OK, although raw meat isn't really my thing.

I hear dog is mighty fine eating, too. Will their next project be a slaughter house for Fidos?
 
All I can say is, if people will stoop low enough to steal tractors and implements, strip houses for copper tubing and wire, risk getting electrocuted doing it, steal someone's firewood, etc, etc etc, all in the name of getting a few bucks to buy dope, you can bet theft of horses from anyone, anywhere, is going to pick up once some dumb a$$ tells all his druggie friends, "lets do it" because there's money, however little, to be made. It's already happened here, to people I know, having seen their stolen horses at the local buyer/seller of livestock's place waiting to be shipped to Montreal for slaughter. No papers, no questions, no waiting for cash. JMHO
 
I'm not sure what the case is with this young lady at our place, but like so many others with horses, they get in over their heads and dump that problem on the most convenient person or place.

So after all the years in this business, and at the worst economic time, we now have 2 requiring the full care we give all ours and boarders, we now have an unpaid bill for board, and the liability and financial responsibility for 2 horses we do not own, nor have any use for, not sure about resale, you can't give em away is the way I see it.

There have been locally, several busts for horses being mistreated, charges against some who appear to deserve it given 170 horses at one place, that obviously went in a bad direction, absentee owner took the rap for people supposed to be doing the right thing. Point of mentioning that, if you run a stable and things are tight, you know damn well the equine gestapo of activists, authorities and so on, are watching. Things are tight here, boarding, lessons, sales are not very lucrative and I think a person is half crazy to even pursue any kind of equine business, even if they have been at it for the years we have, the costs alone are staggering, and you are always walking the line, then someone dumps on you, breaks their word, agreement, you're out money you expected to have and now have the liability, they get off without a hitch, and no recourse to pursue them or take action. Thats a huge tilt on the scale in their favor and these darned PETA types and anyone else needs to consider that. In our case the income and of any additional horses that is not received to go against the expenses puts us in the red, its that tight or shut the doors on the place, then what, that lousy paycheck you were getting to operate a facility, offer a service, self employment and maybe a few things you do like about a situation like this, disappears and as soon as you get behind, one horse is thin, there's a henchman waiting to put your head in a guillotine.

I've never seen it as bad as this, but these are the times we live in, you would think that there should be an allowance in the laws or what have you to make sure a person put in a position like this, has some recourse, cause those 2 abandoned ones could easily sink the ship.
 
Dave, I hate to admit it, but I have to dissagree with you. I really think the theives around here would have to have you load the horses for them in order for them th steal them. Too lazy to go out in the pasture & get them. LOL. Don't know about the rest of the country, just Meigs County, Ohio. Keith
 
(quoted from post at 07:37:44 04/14/12) I think it's sad that people can't have a debate - even a conversation - without someone getting frustrated and calling the other guy an idiot.
So I'm on your side there ok?
On the other hand I thought you were way out in left field to suggest that the advent of horse slaughter was going to cause the wicked among us to start stealing horses - good horses - and jam pack them into a trailer to sell for slaughter.
That just seemed so over the top that I could understand how/why someone would, shall we say, question your brilliance.
I hope this meets your criteria as non mindless babble as I did try real hard to write this.
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Not my choice and I love to give folks the benefit of a doubt and find the best yadda yadda...... You folks have seen your driveway and local town and form your opinions accordingly... I have been in or working for the military for 30 years and see folks from every place and walk of life..... They's some good folks and some 1st class idiots.... Some married to each other and produce offspring....... When I make my predictions (??), I'm not referring to the good folks... Be honest with yourself and you'll not have an argument......
 
That has been an ongoing thing for years, many a high dollar race horse has slipped into the slaughter house undetected after midnight. they're worth more that way.
 
(quoted from post at 12:49:22 04/14/12) This topic has come up here before. I see there's some news on it today.
A New Mexico firm has applied for for licensing to slaughter horses for food.
The PETA types are already putting their forces in place to defeat it.
We'll see.
To me it seems almost criminal to allow the junk horse population to explode out of control.
And with the price of beef these days I might even buy horse meat if it becomes available.
Once the venison runs out that is.
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Don't think for a second it ain't happening anyway. The way it works now, horses get sold at the livestock auction. I've seen some decent horses go for as little as five dollars. They get loaded onto trucks, head south of the border, and the new owners do "as they see fit"
http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/jan08/080115a.asp
 
(quoted from post at 10:37:05 04/14/12) Dave, I hate to admit it, but I have to dissagree with you. I really think the theives around here would have to have you load the horses for them in order for them th steal them. Too lazy to go out in the pasture & get them. LOL. Don't know about the rest of the country, just Meigs County, Ohio. Keith
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Stripping copper out of houses and pulling wire isn't exactly easy either. Nor is stealing scrap iron but it all gets done.
 
So I guess you think that slaughtering cattle,goats,sheep,chickens etc should all be outlawed for the very same reasons? Also people steal cars so no car should ever be able to be crushed for scrap just send them all to the
Automobile Rescue Place?
 
(quoted from post at 12:52:51 04/14/12) You done hung around with them Socialists WAAAAY
too long fellow.
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Now... what did I put in the thread that you just threw this ignorantassed comment at that would justify what you said????
 
Mark if you"re ever in Thailand you can enjoy Fido, and also stir fry rat if you"re really hungry. In the wok with a little oil, fur and all.
 
As we speak, the BLM is warehousing over 30,000 wild horses and burros in Kansas. All are on free range, contented of course, have vet care, and will probably live out their life in luxury.
I just love paying taxes for a stupid program.

Maybe somebody from Kansas knows more about this.
 
I guess outlaw banks so there'd be no bank robberies either along the same line of thinking.
Crooks and thieves in every business horse slaughter business is no worse or better.
 
(quoted from post at 09:12:26 04/14/12) Dave2, your an idiot sometimes.
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(quoted from post at 09:28:44 04/14/12) BTW,
the squiggly red line means it's misspelled.
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(quoted from post at 16:10:22 04/14/12) It's obvious the concept of correct spelling is over
your head.
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That's a nice glass house you have there. You're (that would be the correct one as opposed to your) lucky to have it.
 
I think you guys are missing the point of what Dave is saying. He isn't saying there is no need. He isn't saying that it shouldn't be allowed. What he is saying is that this brings about another potential for theft and it would be wise to think ahead of the issue and develop some type of system for making sure that Buttercup doesn't end up stolen and on the plate.

Times have very drastically changed. If something has a value of more than $20 or so, can be easily sold and has no required paperwork to transfer ownership it has a tendency to become stolen. Is it really that hard to imagine that somebody would do this?

If we would have told you 30 years ago that thieves would climb under cars and cut parts off, cut out plumbing from houses and steal wire from live transmission lines would you have believed it then? How about now?
 
Well I have worked on thoroughbred farms for the last 23 years, owners breed there mares over and over again trying to find the next secretariat, some don't even make it to the track. Is that the horses fault? They should take money out of the purse that the horse wins, so if you win the Santa Anita Derby, the winner gets $450,000, take 10% for the horses retirement after care. Any one remember that dirt bag Ernie Paragallo ?? Google it, had a Kentuckey derby winner, than was busted for horse neglect, banned from racing in NY now. We need responsible owners, not the nakers yard.
 
I don't think we would have a rash of horse stealing to sell them for slaughter. Cattle are worth a lot more than a horse. They don't have any papers to stop you from selling them if you steal them either. There is very little cattle theft going on. It does happen but it is not wide spread.

It would be a lot easier than stealing a horse anyway. I know of many cattle that are in finishing yards that are not locked or guarded at night. Plus many of the newer setups have to been so far away from any house that the odds of anyone seeing you would be slim. So even with this there are few cattle stolen.

People get crazy when you talk about a pet rather than just a domesticated animal. Just look at all the name calling on this post here.

I now have three horses on this farm. This is the first to be here in over thirty years. I do have an exit plan. If the girls quit taking care of them they will be gone one of several ways. 1) I will try to sell them for a cheap price.
2) If no sale than I will try to give them to some one.
3) If no luck on either of those two options. I have a rifle and a back hoe. I can solve the problem.

I think that is a big part of the problem is too many people that have no plan. They get a horse an treat it like another kid/family member and then find out they can't afford the horse. So now they have no exit plan. Then they want to stick their problem on someone else. While at the same time still want to treat the horse in a special way that makes reasonable disposal just about impossible.

( Dave II I see that you can't take someone jerking your chain much. You are usually level headed but mention a horse and you jump the fence into the crazy side.)
 
(quoted from post at 20:28:03 04/14/12) ( Dave II I see that you can't take someone jerking your chain much. You are usually level headed but mention a horse and you jump the fence into the crazy side.)
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Now come on.......what did I type that would have you say that??? I don't give a ratsass what you folks do with your horses or anything else. Just said what I thinks gonna happen and folks get bent outta shape and I turn into a socialist, an idiot that can't spell (who just happened to be called out by another idiot that can't spell :shock: ), tree hugger, yadda yadda... All because folks ' reading comprehension sucks. That and people getem in a wad when I mention bubba....

It ain't my fault that people can't behave themselves.....
 

USA had horse slaughter for overseas human consumption several years back. Yes some good horses got slaughtered but the price of ALL horses were a lot higher back then than today. Several years ago a Cutting bred horse was very high. Now one can buy some Cutting bred horses for a song. I predict if horse slaughter doesn't return to the USA that loose horses will be running up/down the road ditches similar to the way Cottontail rabbits once did.
 
Isn't there a horse meat animal sale in Waverly IA still? It's been years since I've been there, most all horses sold for meat went to Canada. Jim
 
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