Wife is in the market for a newer SUV, not brand new. Currently looking at a 2008 GMC Acadia and a 2008 Buick Enclave. My biggest question is they are both front wheel drive, verses the all wheel drive option that many have. In locations where roads are icy or snow covered (like MN), how do the front wheel drives handle? I've heard from one person that the rear ends get very light and they want to slide around as you are trying to stop. She is used to an AWD Jeep Grand Cherokee now, but wants something a little bigger and these are the two models she has decided upon. Can get both in the AWD configuration, but found two very nice ones well within our price range that are just front wheel drive. Have to add $8,000-$10,000 to get the same cars in the AWD configuration. If we can save the money, we sure would like to. (I have a good 4wd pickup she can drive if she has to get to work on really bad days if need be.)Thanks for any experience you can offer.
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Tom-NorthCenTX
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Try to talk her into getting a Mazda CX7 or CX9, or a Ford Edge, anything buy external_link's Government Motors. Tom
rustyfarmall
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(quoted from post at 06:45:17 04/09/12) Wife is in the market for a newer SUV, not brand new. Currently looking at a 2008 GMC Acadia and a 2008 Buick Enclave. My biggest question is they are both front wheel drive, verses the all wheel drive option that many have. In locations where roads are icy or snow covered (like MN), how do the front wheel drives handle? I've heard from one person that the rear ends get very light and they want to slide around as you are trying to stop. She is used to an AWD Jeep Grand Cherokee now, but wants something a little bigger and these are the two models she has decided upon. Can get both in the AWD configuration, but found two very nice ones well within our price range that are just front wheel drive. Have to add $8,000-$10,000 to get the same cars in the AWD configuration. If we can save the money, we sure would like to. (I have a good 4wd pickup she can drive if she has to get to work on really bad days if need be.)Thanks for any experience you can offer.
Personally, I would choose the Buick simply because I like the looks of it, but if you are accustomed to AWD now, you will not be happy with either the Buick or GMC. There is a reason the 2wd versions are less costly. No one wants them.
brian brooks
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Id look at the resale ....some of the 2wheel drives have little resale down the road.
Anonymous-0
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Take an open minded look at the KIA's... I have a 97 sportage and the wife has a 2006 Sorento that are both great vehicles. Mine gets used pretty good also.....
I live 1/2 mile off I-90. One of my close friends has a body shop and auto towing business. 75% of the cars and picups he pulls out of the snow in the winter are 4wd/awd models.
Lots of times he has to tow 4wd pickups when there is less than 4 inches of snow. Loss of control, too much speed, using 4wd at highway speeds. Seems like the fwd owners are much more aware and better drivers as a whole.
Lots of times he has to tow 4wd pickups when there is less than 4 inches of snow. Loss of control, too much speed, using 4wd at highway speeds. Seems like the fwd owners are much more aware and better drivers as a whole.
Hay hay hay
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If you have no intention of retiring or getting sick, then buy the KIA.
On the other hand, since it is designed by engineers outside the USA, and has only 2 to 7% USA content and because the profits go to Korea without us tax. It might not be such a good thing for your SS pension and Medicare plan. Might even help the USA deficit grow.
The Korean workers pay nothing toward your Social Security or Medicare or any US taxes at all.
Ofcourse the Koreans understand that and that is why they have 75% import taxes on foreign vehicles and restrict USA ag products entering their nation.
It always surprises me when I see some old geezer in a KIA on the way to the grocery to spend his SS check and then on the doctor for his medicare appointment. "But he got a good deal on the KIA".
On the other hand, since it is designed by engineers outside the USA, and has only 2 to 7% USA content and because the profits go to Korea without us tax. It might not be such a good thing for your SS pension and Medicare plan. Might even help the USA deficit grow.
The Korean workers pay nothing toward your Social Security or Medicare or any US taxes at all.
Ofcourse the Koreans understand that and that is why they have 75% import taxes on foreign vehicles and restrict USA ag products entering their nation.
It always surprises me when I see some old geezer in a KIA on the way to the grocery to spend his SS check and then on the doctor for his medicare appointment. "But he got a good deal on the KIA".
Consider a full size Tahoe/Suburban. You get lots more for your money, full frame v 8 ect. I bought a 2008 GMC Yukon XL Denali AWD 6.2 V8 last summer. Very nice ride, unlimited power, lots of cargo capacity and it gets 20 MPG on the highway. I paid a few grand more than the wannabe car suv's and I got a real truck.
Anonymous-0
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(quoted from post at 09:26:04 04/09/12) If you have no intention of retiring or getting sick, then buy the KIA.
On the other hand, since it is designed by engineers outside the USA, and has only 2 to 7% USA content and because the profits go to Korea without us tax. It might not be such a good thing for your SS pension and Medicare plan. Might even help the USA deficit grow.
The Korean workers pay nothing toward your Social Security or Medicare or any US taxes at all.
Ofcourse the Koreans understand that and that is why they have 75% import taxes on foreign vehicles and restrict USA ag products entering their nation.
It always surprises me when I see some old geezer in a KIA on the way to the grocery to spend his SS check and then on the doctor for his medicare appointment. "But he got a good deal on the KIA".
buying a used kia isn't putting money anywhere but in the country where you buy it. That old geezer is driving that kia to the store because he has money to spend on food instead of repairs on a big 3 vehicle with inflated prices...... Don't want to start an argument.... Just gotta keep an open mind.
(quoted from post at 10:18:49 04/09/12)(quoted from post at 09:26:04 04/09/12) If you have no intention of retiring or getting sick, then buy the KIA.
On the other hand, since it is designed by engineers outside the USA, and has only 2 to 7% USA content and because the profits go to Korea without us tax. It might not be such a good thing for your SS pension and Medicare plan. Might even help the USA deficit grow.
The Korean workers pay nothing toward your Social Security or Medicare or any US taxes at all.
Ofcourse the Koreans understand that and that is why they have 75% import taxes on foreign vehicles and restrict USA ag products entering their nation.
It always surprises me when I see some old geezer in a KIA on the way to the grocery to spend his SS check and then on the doctor for his medicare appointment. "But he got a good deal on the KIA".
buying a used kia isn't putting money anywhere but in the country where you buy it. That old geezer is driving that kia to the store because he has money to spend on food instead of repairs on a big 3 vehicle with inflated prices...... Don't want to start an argument.... Just gotta keep an open mind.
Repairs on the big three???? You been over there way too long! Current Chevy Suburban has 258 THOUSAND on the clock and has had one tranny last week, one fuel pump about 5 months ago, one alternate about a year ago and one pitman arm about 2 years ago. Tell me about quality of that KIA when you use it as a daily driver/farm truck and it has 258K on it. Drove a Ford Explorer About 215K for the cost of a thermostat, an LTD for 235K for a water pump and atlernator, and the same repairs on a Town Car that we drove to 245K.
AS far as where the money goes Dave the dealer may take in the money but they have to pay the maker for the car so a great deal of that money goes out of the country.
Rick
Anonymous-0
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(quoted from post at 12:22:38 04/09/12)(quoted from post at 10:18:49 04/09/12)(quoted from post at 09:26:04 04/09/12) If you have no intention of retiring or getting sick, then buy the KIA.
On the other hand, since it is designed by engineers outside the USA, and has only 2 to 7% USA content and because the profits go to Korea without us tax. It might not be such a good thing for your SS pension and Medicare plan. Might even help the USA deficit grow.
The Korean workers pay nothing toward your Social Security or Medicare or any US taxes at all.
Ofcourse the Koreans understand that and that is why they have 75% import taxes on foreign vehicles and restrict USA ag products entering their nation.
It always surprises me when I see some old geezer in a KIA on the way to the grocery to spend his SS check and then on the doctor for his medicare appointment. "But he got a good deal on the KIA".
buying a used kia isn't putting money anywhere but in the country where you buy it. That old geezer is driving that kia to the store because he has money to spend on food instead of repairs on a big 3 vehicle with inflated prices...... Don't want to start an argument.... Just gotta keep an open mind.
Repairs on the big three???? You been over there way too long! Current Chevy Suburban has 258 THOUSAND on the clock and has had one tranny last week, one fuel pump about 5 months ago, one alternate about a year ago and one pitman arm about 2 years ago. Tell me about quality of that KIA when you use it as a daily driver/farm truck and it has 258K on it. Drove a Ford Explorer About 215K for the cost of a thermostat, an LTD for 235K for a water pump and atlernator, and the same repairs on a Town Car that we drove to 245K.
AS far as where the money goes Dave the dealer may take in the money but they have to pay the maker for the car so a great deal of that money goes out of the country.
Rick
You folks always wear your hearts on your sleeves......
Sounds like you lucked out on vehicles..... Makes no difference to me what he buys... He asked for opinions and I gave them...
If that used car dealer or private person that sells him a used kia or mercedes or lada has to pay anything to russia, germany, or korea, I'll kiss your a$$ and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd... OP asked about "newer" and not "new"......
(quoted from post at 12:52:35 04/09/12)(quoted from post at 12:22:38 04/09/12)(quoted from post at 10:18:49 04/09/12)(quoted from post at 09:26:04 04/09/12) If you have no intention of retiring or getting sick, then buy the KIA.
On the other hand, since it is designed by engineers outside the USA, and has only 2 to 7% USA content and because the profits go to Korea without us tax. It might not be such a good thing for your SS pension and Medicare plan. Might even help the USA deficit grow.
The Korean workers pay nothing toward your Social Security or Medicare or any US taxes at all.
Ofcourse the Koreans understand that and that is why they have 75% import taxes on foreign vehicles and restrict USA ag products entering their nation.
It always surprises me when I see some old geezer in a KIA on the way to the grocery to spend his SS check and then on the doctor for his medicare appointment. "But he got a good deal on the KIA".
buying a used kia isn't putting money anywhere but in the country where you buy it. That old geezer is driving that kia to the store because he has money to spend on food instead of repairs on a big 3 vehicle with inflated prices...... Don't want to start an argument.... Just gotta keep an open mind.
Repairs on the big three???? You been over there way too long! Current Chevy Suburban has 258 THOUSAND on the clock and has had one tranny last week, one fuel pump about 5 months ago, one alternate about a year ago and one pitman arm about 2 years ago. Tell me about quality of that KIA when you use it as a daily driver/farm truck and it has 258K on it. Drove a Ford Explorer About 215K for the cost of a thermostat, an LTD for 235K for a water pump and atlernator, and the same repairs on a Town Car that we drove to 245K.
AS far as where the money goes Dave the dealer may take in the money but they have to pay the maker for the car so a great deal of that money goes out of the country.
Rick
You folks always wear your hearts on your sleeves......
Sounds like you lucked out on vehicles..... Makes no difference to me what he buys... He asked for opinions and I gave them...
If that used car dealer or private person that sells him a used kia or mercedes or lada has to pay anything to russia, germany, or korea, I'll kiss your a$$ and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd... OP asked about "newer" and not "new"......
Pucker up!....LOL
Yea I missed that.
Rick
Hay hay hay
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Problem is America loses lots of jobs. The Kia first had to get here NEW before he could buy it USED.
Lots of Kias getting sold here.
1) we lose the design and engineering college jobs.
2) we lose the skilled trades tooling jobs.
3) we lose the thousands of little supplier jobs.
Dana closed 10 supplier plants here in KY. On a Kia all thase parts are shipped in.
4) Those people go on unemployement and the federal budget deficit goes wild.
5) SS and Medicare is underfunded because those folks are no longer contributing.
And you don't see how it is connected?
The Koreans sure do and that is why their markets are so restricted to us.
Lots of Kias getting sold here.
1) we lose the design and engineering college jobs.
2) we lose the skilled trades tooling jobs.
3) we lose the thousands of little supplier jobs.
Dana closed 10 supplier plants here in KY. On a Kia all thase parts are shipped in.
4) Those people go on unemployement and the federal budget deficit goes wild.
5) SS and Medicare is underfunded because those folks are no longer contributing.
And you don't see how it is connected?
The Koreans sure do and that is why their markets are so restricted to us.
OH and FYI Dave most American made cars (big 3) have a 200K life span and have had sense the mid to late 80's and have had better reliability ratings than Toyota for certain years. For several years both Ford and GM have had a rate of 3-4 warranty issues per 100 vehicles sold while Toyota was running 6-7 per 100. Don't take my word for it look it up. They did make some really bad vehicles in the 70's and early 80's and are still trying to overcome the bad rap that they earned.
Rick
Beware of the AWD Acadia, Enclave, Traverse, and Outlook models, they are deceiving. They are AWD, not 4WD. The AWD system is basically designed for wet or very light snow conditions. The AWD models will not help you in deep sand, snow, or mud. In fact, the rear end is not designed for these stresses and will fail if spun when stuck. Just helping you make an informed decision, I personally would not pay much more for the AWD option.
tomtirediron
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Rick I'm suddenly in the market looking for a rebuilt Suburban transmission. Where did you get yours rebuilt?
Source that the rear end will "fail" if the rear wheels are spun?
Of course these models are not build like the old mechanical 4X4 vehicles of the past - who would want them if they were? There is a reason why they can travel at highway speeds in 4X4 and my old Bronco isn't supposed to go above 50 MPH with the front end locked in and only then if the road is slick.
Of course these models are not build like the old mechanical 4X4 vehicles of the past - who would want them if they were? There is a reason why they can travel at highway speeds in 4X4 and my old Bronco isn't supposed to go above 50 MPH with the front end locked in and only then if the road is slick.
Jason the Red
Member
Well said!
Year? Which tranny? If it's older with the 700R just about any supplier, if the newer 4l60 then it may be year model specific. I went with a low mile used one, I didn't want to dump 1K of better in a rebuild on something with 258K on it that I'm planning on trading before this fall.(quoted from post at 14:56:55 04/09/12) Rick I'm suddenly in the market looking for a rebuilt Suburban transmission. Where did you get yours rebuilt?
Rick
tomtirediron
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4l60E for My 95 sub with 186k on it. I put in remanned long block year ago, Ignored a gut feeling about pulling tranny. FFW Last month and 1/2 she's shuddering pretty hard in reverse and 8-10% grade is getting iffy. Local shop we used here for years closed up, pretty much gotta go with word of mouth now, don't know who to trust anymore for a rebuild. Anybody down your way with good rep?
Rather drive 2 hours based on some good recommedations then 30 minutes based on
it being convenient.
Rather drive 2 hours based on some good recommedations then 30 minutes based on
it being convenient.
I appreciate all the thoughts and advice. Went with her to look at them this evening, and she decided on the Buick. I think it will make a great vehicle for her, and if the winter weather is really nasty she can drive my 2500 Chevy HD 4x4 and I can drive the 1995 1/2 4x4 pickup that is our farm truck to work for that day. Not a thing wrong with either truck for the rare days where we truly need 4x4.
I spent 11 years with two different GM dealers and still have close friends and ties to the dealerships. They see failed rear ends every winter and the owner is mad they were stuck, since they were told it was just like 4wd. That AWD system is aimed more at vehicle stability, similar to Subaru.
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