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Just had to snap this pic last week in a shop I was at. The engine crane was no longer OSHA legal with it's original hook, since there was no snap clip, and they tagged it "out of service". Once the orange part was added, it was approved. These are the people we employ with our tax dollars.
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From the Safety Nazi.
The lower hook with the clip has a higher lift limit due to the closed loop construction. Too bad it is below the lower limit hook.

Ever hear of the " weakest link in the chain" theory?
This is a Darwin award winner.
 
You think OSHA is bad you ought to try dealing with MSHA. Went to the course some years ago to teach me how to train myself and got really enlightened. Seems that regardless of what the "Official guide book" says about the things you can or can't do, in the end it's actually 'up to the discression of the inspector' as to wether you can or can't do what the book says you can or can't do. In other words if the inspector comes in with a chip on hos shoulder he can beat you up all he want's to wether your legal 'by the book' or not...... Now talk about an abuse of power and a waste of money.....


In the end be it OSHA, MSHA, EPA, or any other governmental PITA it all comes down to one thing.....You simply can not fix stupid.....
 
People should try reading those OSHA manuals issued to the construction industry.

They're so full of gobbledygook that our safety director has to attend meetings to understand "the interpretations" of the OSHA standards.
 
We buried two guys in trenches before we wised up and got the correct OSHA trenchinig and shoring safety equpment. Did't kill anybody, but it was only luck. Then we still hurt some guys by not using it correctly. Hope we have wised up. Do anything you have to, to not have to place that call to the widow.
 
I call BS on this one. No OSHA inspector would ever make a repair or place equipment in service, and in my experience and training, this is still wrong. It doesn't matter what you put below the first hook, that hook is still a violation.

Say what you will about the various safety regulatory agencies, they've done a lot to improve workplace safety, especially in the construction industry. Yes, an owly inspector can make life difficult, but not nearly as difficult as a loss of life.

This is usually about the time that people start ranting about how if they want to let their grandkids ride on the PTO shaft it's their business and very safe because they've been farming for 245 years and so the laws of physics and medicine don't apply to them.
 
Sounds like electrical inspectors. as the code book states "the authority having jurisdiction". Not always saying they are out of line, but I have seen some things that make me shake my head.
 
OSHA is a joke.

I say this based upon my 3 years working for the W.R. Grace granular fertilizer plant that used to be in New Albany,IN. Every time there was a "surprise" OSHA inspection, the company had anywhere from 3 to 12 hours of advance notice...time enough to shut down production and begin cleaning up all the old, leaking equipment. in my time there, there NEVER was an OSHA inspection conducted while the production was running.

So OSHA never got to see how the hydrofilter would plug up, and how the company had to pay for paint jobs for the cars of employees at the Tommy Lancaster's restaurant that was across the street when the acid-laden crap we were putting into the air precipitated on those vehicles. Usually, it was at least once a year. Of course, Lancaster's got most of the company-paid lunches when the shipping dock crew had to be held over to work their overtime during the busy season, so I don't think they were complaining a lot.

But those OSHA inspections? No "surprise" to ANY of their "surprise" inspections in the time I worked there.
 
OSHA is a joke.

I say this based upon my 3 years working for the W.R. Grace granular fertilizer plant that used to be in New Albany,IN. Every time there was a "surprise" OSHA inspection, the company had anywhere from 3 to 12 hours of advance notice...time enough to shut down production and begin cleaning up all the old, leaking equipment. in my time there, there NEVER was an OSHA inspection conducted while the production was running.

So OSHA never got to see how the hydrofilter would plug up, and how the company had to pay for paint jobs for the cars of employees at the Tommy Lancaster's restaurant that was across the street when the acid-laden crap we were putting into the air precipitated on those vehicles. Usually, it was at least once a year. Of course, Lancaster's got most of the company-paid lunches when the shipping dock crew had to be held over to work their overtime during the busy season, so I don't think they were complaining a lot.

But those OSHA inspections? No "surprise" to ANY of their "surprise" inspections in the time I worked there.
 
it could well happen, the company i work for falls under MSHA which is even stricter than osha, so far the company has had to sideline and sell 2 off road haul trucks that were in perfectly usable shape, why? because somebody at MSHA decided that off road haul trucks must pass the same test for their emergency brake system as front end loaders must, this involves getting a full loader bucket of material, [ 7 cubic yards] climbing a stockpile untill the rear of the loader touches the ground, then setting the emergency brake, the machine must not move for up to 5 minutes while in that position, now, while loaders routinly do that [ without the e brake] while piling material, who in their right mind would even try that with a haul truck? naturaly the truck wouldnt hold, and the inspector placed it out of service-permenently , another example was the old "runaround truck" this old pickup wasnt even licenced since 1982, it runs from the shop to the crusher, a distance of about 1/2 mile, hasnt seen a public road since nobody can remember, it hauls tools and parts and men, thats all it does, placed out of service for no shoulder belts in the cab, this truck didnt have them when new, its old , so it now sits in the dead row, in running condition, so beat, [ there isnt a srtaight body panel on it] that so far nobody wants it lol , sure they can place a hoist out of service if it doesnt pass the new codes, they got to justify their jobs some way, like the dot, if there there, your going to get a ticket for something, period, how deep they have to dig to find something to write a ticket over, shows how good a job your doing, id say by the time they got down to the clip on the hook of the engine hoist, your shop must be in good shape safety wise
 
(quoted from post at 04:35:15 03/14/12) I call BS on this one. No OSHA inspector would ever make a repair or place equipment in service, and in my experience and training, this is still wrong. It doesn't matter what you put below the first hook, that hook is still a violation.

Say what you will about the various safety regulatory agencies, they've done a lot to improve workplace safety, especially in the construction industry. Yes, an owly inspector can make life difficult, but not nearly as difficult as a loss of life.

This is usually about the time that people start ranting about how if they want to let their grandkids ride on the PTO shaft it's their business and very safe because they've been farming for 245 years and so the laws of physics and medicine don't apply to them.
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HMMMM sounds like an OSHA employee......

Yes they have done a lot to improve work place safety but now that most things are a great deal better they are doing things to justify their jobs much like social workers "investigate" allegations that they have already determined to be false. My niece made claims against her father when she was 16 because she didn't like having rules. They determined that she was lying in the first 76 hours. Then proceeded to visit their home for the next 6 months to insure nothing was going on.

You will have to work very hard to convince me and others that OSHA, EPA and other regulatory agencies haven't exceeded their intent and are running amok!

Rick
 
Somebody was getting paid off. We certainly have never been given advance warning that an OSHA inspector was coming. We have been written for ladders not extending high enough over walls, light gauge extension cords, and no posted Spanish protocal for reporting an accident (three guys on that jobsite that all spoke English).
 
I wouldn't. The fertilizer plant that I go to. Had to put up signs warning that the scale was a confined space. You needed permission to enter.The scale is wide open nothing there but a flat plate you drive up on.Also had to post a fire escape plan. There are only two doors on a very small building. They even have a poster telling the blind where to call if they need help. OSHA and the rest are a danger to the worker.
 
Two problems . People have made OSHA powerful by #1having wrecks, incidents, injuries and death because some people are cheap, lazy, in a hurry, careless or stupid. # 2 OSHA , CNSC, border customs etc, what ever the inspection body. They all too often hire someone with only half a clue , don't train them or make them responsable for errors.
 
I don't believe that! I used to do crane inspections in an industrial plant and no way that is approved! Sometimes we had to improvise, but never like that.
 
UA, I didn't say the inspector made a repair or placed it in service. He told the shop what was needed to pass, and they did it. The spring clip has no benifit other than making the inspector happy.
 
In the '70s I worked for IBM as a tech. At that time there was a lot of electrical-mechanical card machines around that naturally would break down sometimes. Imagine my surprise when I came in to fix one once and was told that OSHA forbid us to take the covers off because they were dangerous.
Guess they expected us to just wave a magic wand over it.
They have always been idiots.
 
Obviously you dislike OSHA, but false statements about our government seems dishonest. Since when has it become OK to falsify information to prove and support ones point of view?

Lots of the complainers are the first ones to call the ambulance chasing lawyers on TV at the slightest chance of a lawsuit.
 
"Once the orange part was added, it was approved."

Are we really dumb enough (and so anti-govt.) to believe that?
 
So were the inspectors bad or was the law wrong?

Did the inspectors need to enforce the regulation or did the regulation need to be eliminated?
 
I don't know, but it sounds like the OSHA inspector meant the original hook had to be replaced and then it would be an approved lift. What about all the air nozzle requirements. OSHA said I had to quit using mine in about 1995, but he left and I still use it. He said how many injuries they cause every year but I don't remember the number. I have got on a few guys for fooling around with air nozzles though.
 
If your company needed OSHA to tell them that then it must be run by a bunch of morons. That is one of the main problems with government regulation, idiots manifest themselves who would otherwise exit the gene pool through their own stupidity.
 
I am certainly anti government enough to believe it, affirmative action employees that have absolutely no idea what they are doing what so ever, the government is full of them, government employment is just an extension of the welfare state.
 
Nothing wrong with the regulations. This was in the late '70's/early '80's, before regulations got completely idiotic.

If it were today, the folks in the back end of the plant would've had to wear steel toe boots, eye protection, earplugs, and when digging out elevator pits, dust masks. And bucket tractor drivers and Bobcat drivers would've had to wear seat belts.

So I don't see where any regulations needed to be eliminated back then. But having an OSHA rep on site while we were running might've changed some of the practices used when we had to use 2-3 sticks of dynamite to blast loose a bin that had solidified from the humidity that's natural to the Ohio River Valley. We'd have probably been required to stand further away when we lit off a charge from a flashlight battery, for example.
 
To LAA, Thank you for your carefully thought out and articulately explained reasoning. I posted my reply before I realized that anyone who disagreed with you was an idiot and a moron and desended from a questionable gene pool.

I certainly do not want to be an idiot or a moron, so now I agree with you. Thank you for your help and insight.
 
I refuse to beleive that people are so stupid as to pass that as being fixed and safe ? Goverment agency or not I have to have more faith in people than to beleive what you are saying !!!!
 
I thought OSHA/MOSHA couldn't "touch" truck because they were under DOT? My dad drove car carriers for years and when he retired he didn't have much hearing left due to 8V71 Detroit Diesels. As loud as his friggin truck was under OSHA he would of been required to wear earplugs but trucks and commercial vehicles licensed for road use were covered entirety by DOT standards.
 
Edd- I posted this picture for the board's entertainment. I made no statement about my dislike for OSHA. I falsified nothing, and did not put forth a point of view. You are not required to read the post, comment on it, or believe it. I trust that the shop told me the truth, and I don't appreciate being called a lier. You have shown your true colors.
 
LAA, wanted to tell your father this about the compamy he worked for.

per LAA's post..see below.."If your company needed OSHA to tell them that then it must be run by a bunch of morons. That is one of the main problems with government regulation, idiots manifest themselves who would otherwise exit the gene pool through their own stupidity."

Sorry about your fathers hearing. I hurt mine as a youngster, shooting guns before we knew that hearing protection was important. Result is the same.
 
(quoted from post at 08:53:04 03/14/12) Obviously you dislike OSHA, but false statements about our government seems dishonest. Since when has it become OK to falsify information to prove and support ones point of view?
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Since external_link and the nnalert did the same thing with,... "external_linkcare"?
 

Edd in KY, I see your answer contains the typical abundant claptrap, distortion and lies, I never said everyone who disagreed with me was a moron, I said that most bad things that happen to people are our own faults, including myself. I have bad hearing due to industrial noise and an aching back many days due to not curbing myself when I was younger, the government would not have saved me from either and they won't save anyone else who is not a sheep. I feel sorry for you and others of your ilk who cannot take care of themselves and rely on government and unions.
 
Guess I could believe it. Have seen some pretty dumb stuff, in and out of guvment, due to the "it says so in the book" mentality.

Was trying to help an older lady get set up for direct deposit of her investment account checks at her bank. Instructions said to send a voided check. She was out of checks, so gave me a deposit slip, which I sent. Has the same info at the bottom as a check, in fact, goes through the same imprinting machine.

Investment outfit sent it back, needed a voided check instead. Only explanation I could get is "that's what the book says."

I'll bet the book said "Hook used to support load must have safety clip"- Well, the orange one does, and that's what's supporting the load. Case closed, lets move on.
 
Do I think this really accomplished anything?- NO, Would I believe that an OSHA inspector would sign off on something like this? YES. If we are looking at this as OSHA (or the DNR or DOT or DEQ our about any other government agency) trying to "protect us" we are looking at the whole situation wrong, so many of these agencies are focused on enforcement of the regulation or standard and nothing more, common sense or science be dammed. This has morphed into a lot of government agencies that no longer serve us, but serve them selves. We have a ballot box- use it! If you are exposed to stupidity (like this crane) WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND STATE REPRESENTATIVE. Sometimes they'll intervene on your behalf and the stupidity stops pretty quick and if not more constructive input from their constituents will help guide them if they are inclined to SERVE or make them nervous if their primary motivational force is TO BE SERVED. When they get nervous they make mistakes and you might see their real stripes.
 
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