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olliekid

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What would you guys say are the best and worst models of each brand. I am talking 1970's and before.

I would probably say:
BEST:
White- 2-105, 120
Oliver- 70, 550, 1650/1655, 1850
Minneapolis Moline- ?
Farmall/International- H, M, 966, 1066, 1206
Ford/New Holland- 8N, 3000, 5000, 7610
Allis Chalmers- WD45, D17
John Deere- 4010, 4020, 4430
Massey Ferguson- 135, 165, 1100
Case- ?
Not too knowledgeable about the Case's or Moline's

WORST:
White- 2-60, 60, 80
Oliver- 1750, 1855 (love the 1855, but it has a horrible rep.)
Minneapolis Moline- G1000 Vista?
Farmall/International- 560 (rearend problems?)
Ford/New Holland- 6000
Allis Chalmers- 190?
John Deere- 2010, 1010
Case-
Massey Ferguson- 1080, 1085, 2705, 2805 (personally, I disagree about the 1080, 1085)
 
How any of these have you driven or worked on? What is the problem with the White 60 or 80 or a few of the other models? I think you will get a lot of disagreement and rightfully so.
 
all the masseys i have driven but the 2805. The 1080 and 1085 are known to blow head gaskets. I love the White Americans but they are average to below average farm tractors. Cousin bought 1 with under 1500 hours and hydraulics, front end (FWA) all needed replaced. Other cousins have an 80 that hasnt done much but run a disc bine and its had more than its fair share of problems as well. Granted those are just 2 examples but I would say they make a better collector than a farm tractor. Now with all that said, I hope to own both a 60 and an 1855 in the future.

Naming the problem tractors is tough and I was going off of what I had seen on here previously. As far as the best models go, I am very familiar with them, especially the Oliver's, White's and Massey's.

By the way J, I am replacing the rockshaft seal on my 1655 this weekend. I know I need to take the PTO off. Any special recommendations? Doesnt sound like it will be too hard of a job. I got 2 rockshaft seals and then the PTO gasket seal as well. Should solve the leaking problem from around the PTO.
 
Im not a fan of Olivers but we do have a 1750 that has been a good tractor. Maybe Im missing something as to why its the worst of the Olivers?
 
the 310 had its fair share of problems if you pushed them too hard. Most the people who complain about 1750's just tryed to use them as a 90hp tractor.
 
whats the sense of all this crockamoly? this has been argued on here how many times. red, green, good, bad, and so on. if you dont have personal experience with the tractor, how can you speak for it. know your tractors, know the history.
 
I would say the U, UB, the Jet-Star and U302 were the best Molines. When I was working on them the Jet-Star 3 and the U302 had the lowest Warranty claims. according to our block man. Del Riddle. The worst has to be a 5 Star and the first G1000's The first G1000 we sold didn't have 300 hrs on it in 2 yrs. The crankcase even cracked through the governor. We replaced everything at least twice. Vic
 
The 1750 was probably one of the best, most trouble free Oliver tractors ever built. A very balanced combination of power to weight with a very comfortable ride, they were a pleasnt tractor to operate in the field and still nimble around the barn yard. A diesel with over/under and wide front is hard to beat. At 90 horse that non turbo 310 will go a long time with no trouble. So my question is, just what crack pipe have you been smoking out of?
 
wisht I still had My 930/ 430 is another loveable Case tractor .. SC and pre ww 2 RC were in O-P the poorest case
 
some people just like to post silly things without a doubt he never used all of them so what would someone think they could know what was a good one from a bad one they all were good some just a whole lot easier to drive and get on and off and better seats
 
The worst tractor I ever owned was a 1963 706D(282).The best is a 1967 706d(310) which I still own
(for 23 years and counting) and has almost 11,000 hours.Everybody made some bad tractors,Everybody made some damn good ones.
 
Yup delta you can hit a bad one in all of them.

One of the best we ever owned was a 560.It did all the field work for 400 acres without a glitch for 7 years. One of the worst was a 966 engine and rear end were both overhauled before 1500 hours. Just backwards from the kids list.

Gary
 
On your best list,I'd put the 2-135 and 2-155 ahead of the 2-105. A whole bunch better transmission and rearend. Agree on the worst list,but don't forget the first 4 cylinder 1250 and the 1450. They did NO good for Olivers reputation.
 
That 706 must have been made the same day as the one I had. That thing made me want to put a gun in my mouth! What a disaster. Only other ones that I had that even came close was a Deere 730 diesel and a 3010 Diesel. Those things should have been dumped in the ocean without the ceremony of even being melted down first.
 
You should probably add the 285 to your MF list. They were the straddle version of the 1085. Lots of hp for the sisze if you could get it started. We farmed with one for 25 years it really liked to eat fuel pumps and starters. Overhauled it three times, rebuilt the rear end once. Finally decided to retire it when the head gasket went in '05. Neighbor bought it, rebuilt it, then it self destructed on the first run. It's been sitting in his shed ever since (3 years).
 
the best john deere I had was a 4020, funny though the worst john deere I had was also a 4020. the good one was owned by a fellow that was known to abuse his tractors and the bad one was owned by my uncle before I bought it and he had that thing serviced at the dealer regularly.
 
thats true on the fiats. they were not real popular and didnt help oliver too much.

The 2-105's are real popular, I would agree that the 2-135 and 2-155 are as well.
 
Ive read this forum for a long time and have seen more than a handful of complaints about the 1750 and the 1855 with the 310's.

As stated below and above, their were goods and bads and sometimes people just got bad eggs.

And the majority of problems on 310 engines were just because people pushed them too hard.
 
I am sure even the best models had some bad eggs and even the tractors with bad reps had some tractors that people had a lot of success with.
 
i heard the G1000 was more popular than the Vista. The Vista is one of the sharpest looking tractors ever made. There is always one at my local fair.
 
The Vista was later and had the fuel tank behind the seat. Might have been fewer made because they came later,not necessarily that there was any reason for the non Vista to be more popular.
 
Really don't know why I should even bother but then I am my own worst enemy. First of all you claim to be an Oliver guy but yet made no mention of what was probably the finest tractor model of it's era, the fleetline series. If there was a tractor hall of fame they would surely be in it. Secondly to the gentleman who ventilated his 1750 all I can say is in the vast majority of cases it's those pesky wrist pin bushings and I've seen it happen to the 4 cyl engines (66, 550 ect) on up through the line. It is more prevalent in the 310 engines because of the increased rated speed, but we know how to address that now along with all their other short comings. Let me say that whatever I do to a 310 to make it live longer you had better do to the 283 in your beloved 1650-1655 as well. Having owned most of the Oliver/White models of which you speek I feel qualified as a good judge of capability. The 1650/1655 are among the finest tractors in their class, most will agree. But you bring ANY stock 1650/1655 to the dance and catch me if you can. The 1750/1755 is a superior tractor in every catagory. It will out muscle and out hustle the best 16 series tractor and sew a button on it besides. Oliver hit a home run with this intermediate size machine, giving it enough power and weight over the 16 to do the same job, only BETTER. So if all your beef with these models is with the 310, then man up and fix 'em right and you will have one runnin' s.o.b. Otherwise stay on your 16 and watch the plow in front of you disappear.
 
carmack, I also learned about the wrist pin bushings since following this forum and asked about the updates being applied to the gas versions also (my 1650). You have had good service with your 1750 and I'm happy to hear it, when our 1750 blew up it was just a really bad time for alot of things going on with the farm and it's hard for me not to associate that tractor with that stressful time period. As for "fixing one right" I fully intend to do so someday but I have some other toys that are a little higher on my list first.
 
ok? and an updated 1855 would do the EXACT same thing to your 1750? And a 1955 would do the same thing to an 1855?

What is your point?
Yes, bigger tractors can do more work. I know that. I also know that the 1650 and 1655 are two of the most popular models ever made and I know they bring a higher price than a 1750. There is a reason for that. I am NOT saying the 310 isnt a good engine, I am saying that they had problems if they didnt have the updates. I am pretty sure most would agree with that.
 
agreed on the fleetline series. they were ahead of the competition. I just didnt know of a particular model to represent the whole series.
 
I don't know. I guess the idea of what was the best tractor was alright. But you can't "throw rocks at my lady" and not expect me to defend her. At this point in my life I've owned close to a hundred different tractors. All but a dozen or so were Oliver or White. I have spent less money on that 1750 per hour worked then any other tractor. Still has the original sleeves and pistons in fact. This after 38 years of ownership. To say one model is the "worst of" something is just plain sillyness in my opinion. Why not just stick to the positives? And yes I've owned a pocket full of 16s in all manner of shapes, narrow, wide, 4x4, etc. There are just things I like about the 17s better. More comfortable ride, more positive brake lock, better hyd on 1755, more muscle and weight,etc. In short they are just a "SUPER" 4 plow tractor. Although ours has pulled duty on a 5-16 when a larger tractor went down. Sort of like an F-150 over an F-100, just more truck for the buck. I will further disagree with you about the value of the 16 vs 17 in reguards to diesel models. While there is not a very strong market for 17 and 18 gas burners, that cannot be said for 17 diesels. They will bring as much or more than a comparable 16. It's my job to know this, it's what I do.
 
I understand the defending of your tractor. Tractors are things everyone on this site takes some level of pride in. I am the same way, as you can tell I'm sure.

And I regret even asking/posting about the duds. I've seen it on here before and didn't think it would cause such a ruckus.

Personally speaking I have only driven a 1755 around a yard, never really farmed with one like I have 1655's and 1855's. Personally, I love the 1855 and can't wait to own one. I've already told a few local 1855 owners if they ever want to sell their's to call me. I guess my point is, its not necessarily my opinion, but the opinion of the majority. Personally, I love all tractors Oliver's made, even the Fiat made Olivers, but not everyone loved the 310 tractors and the Fiats.

For your situation and circumstances I would agree the 1750/1755 has done you well, but I still believe that the perception on the 1650/1655 is better by the vast majority.

As far as price for them go, you are right the 17 and 18 do bring a little more. Especially in good shape.
 
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