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On an older tractor like that make sure the brakes work or use a long chain so you don't bump each other. Put it in a gear or two below the highest gear (4th on a 5 speed or 6th on an 8 speed ex.) pull it at a brisk walking pace and pop the clutch once its moving a steady speed. Don't pull it around forever though if it doesn't start right up check things out and try again. Good luck!
rustred
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i guess there is all kinds of questions here that i have done when 15yrs. old. dont matter if its hand crank or electic start. i hate writing storys , but just hook up to it and put the front tractor in a lower gear and the rear tractor in a higher gear and have the clutch depressed. then once rolling let out your clutch and it should start within 5'. then step on clutch and take it out of gear and have front tractor stop. maybe have someone with some tractor experience give you a demo.hate to see you run into the pulling tractor. i have pull started tractors by my self by jumping off the front one and starting the rear one then jumping off and stopping the front one.
Pull started by myself also for years. Since I have a problem walking fast now let alone run I doooon't think I'll try it again. I tried push starting by myself a while back and that didn't even work out like I figured. 
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Skid tracks of the push tractor as both front tires of the front tractor each hit the rear tires of a parked tractor at the same time.
Sorry no video.^D
^DSkid tracks of the push tractor as both front tires of the front tractor each hit the rear tires of a parked tractor at the same time.
Sorry no video.
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Anonymous-0
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(quoted from post at 03:33:54 02/15/12) Pull started by myself also for years. Since I have a problem walking fast now let alone run I doooon't think I'll try it again. I tried push starting by myself a while back and that didn't even work out like I figured.
Skid tracks of the push tractor as both front tires of the front tractor each hit the rear tires of a parked tractor at the same time.
Sorry no video.
<img src=" http://images16.fotki.com/v258/photos/6/34676/9322021/001-vi.jpg">
Video may not be necessary... Just tell us where the skidmarks were and if they washed out... :shock:
Anonymous-0
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whatever you do... Make absolutely sure that you and your helper have a predetermined way of signaling (sight AND sound) stop and go that is 100% understood and that it is 200% understood that the guy on the pullee is the boss when it comes to stop and go......
don't ask why I feel it's important to point that out........
Anonymous-0
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It is better, to park it on the top of a hill, put it in road gear, and drift down the hill, and pop the clutch. Don't need a helper to blame, or curse!
Tx Jim
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I wouldn't recommend "popping the clutch" but rather engaging the clutch easily. Also I always put in high gear when tow starting something. This doesn't apply to your WC but never try to tow start a tractor with a hyd engaged clutch or transmission.
Dave in GA
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Make sure everything's set up on your engine too, so that it's ready to run. For example, does your carb have gas in it? Is it able to spray a good fuel/air mixture into the cylinders when you pop the clutch? And are you sure you have good spark? You can pull a tractor all day and it not start if some of these little things aren't set up properly.
bjb in TX from Ne
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When I give up trying to hand crank my WC I hook it up and pull it. Put it in 4th gear and have your foot on the clutch. Have the puller (truck/tractor) begin moving; it should be in 2nd or third (8N ford is what I use). You don't need much speed but you do need to make sure the pulling tractor is idled up and wont be bogged down by the load. Make sure you leave 15'-20' safety when doing this. When pulling my WC I usually have it (WC) at half throttle. When the whole group is moving, slowly let out the clutch and get the engine turning. Leave your foot on the pedal ready to press down. Usually you don't need much choke when pull starting (quick in and out). As soon as it "takes off" press the clutch so you don't run into the pulling tractor. The front driver should be watching too and can stop after you have the started tractor under control.
Another option is to belt it up if you have another tractor with a belt pulley and a flat belt.
Another option is to belt it up if you have another tractor with a belt pulley and a flat belt.
If you have a flat belt and pulleys on both tractors I would use the belt for making a start.
You need to make sure your belt is rotating in the right direction. The tractor you're trying
to start the engine rotates cw when viewed from the front. Make sure both tractors are out of gear and brakes locked. I also use a belt for starting my Toro Grassking rotary mower using my garden tractor to make the start. Hal
You need to make sure your belt is rotating in the right direction. The tractor you're trying
to start the engine rotates cw when viewed from the front. Make sure both tractors are out of gear and brakes locked. I also use a belt for starting my Toro Grassking rotary mower using my garden tractor to make the start. Hal
James Williams
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The post below about pull starting by your self should be erased,thats got to be the most unsafest thing I ever heard of.If some one trys this and is runover we all would feel responsible,so to all PLEASE DONT DO IT
jimmy
jimmy
rustred
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well when i am by my self and no one to give a hand you gotta do what you gotta do sometime. its not a habit just the mcguyver thing. i have done this in an open field. pull tractor has to be in low gear part throttle. i totally dont recomend to do it either, espesially on your yard. i analyze the situation also before trying stupid stuff. problem is today many young dont or cant think ahead. when your taught at an early age of dangers while doing tasks you learn things. when momma says you stay here thats too dangerous, you learn nothing. nothing in the world like hands on experience. is it safe sitting on a horse disc seat behind horses working rough ground, can fall off also and get run over. i have not done that, but our parents have. safety is what you make it, and i have a high reguard for it. people are killed walking across the street.
people are killed walking along railroad tracks with headphones.
people are killed walking along railroad tracks with headphones.
rusty....I TOTALLY agree; this ain't rocket science. If you gotta ask, don't do!!! I've also done as you and Dickel have and have pulled started and rolled 'em off a hill untold hundreds/maybe thousands of times. First diesel we (my dad) ever owned was a new D-17 in the late '50s; thing never started right with the starter. Dealer couldn't figure out what was wrong and we pull-started/left it on a grade for years before they FINALLY figured out there something wrong with the pump. At one time or another, we've pulled started every (gear drive) tractor we've ever owned. First vehicle I ever owned was a 3/4 ton '53 Chevalay w/4 speed. Had a draggy starter and it wouldn't start more times than it would; even when going to 'town', I'd pick a parking space on an incline and leave it about 3 ft from the curb; never failed to start before it hit the curb. If you gotta ask a bunch of on-line citified farmers (Allan's term) how to pull start something, don't do it.
buickanddeere
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A search of the Internet will yield thousands of pictures of
smashed equipment, buildings, fences and crippled/injured
people. That occurred during ill fated pull starts.
smashed equipment, buildings, fences and crippled/injured
people. That occurred during ill fated pull starts.
buickanddeere
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A search of the Internet will yield thousands of pictures of
smashed equipment, buildings, fences and crippled/injured
people. That occurred during ill fated pull starts.
smashed equipment, buildings, fences and crippled/injured
people. That occurred during ill fated pull starts.
If it has a gas engine make sure you have a charged battery on it. I learned as a kid you cannot roll or pull a gas tractor fast enough to crank it if you have to rely on the generator to power the ignition system.
I am sure there is probably some speed you can pull it at but I don't want on it.
That being said if everything is right it should crank, assuming you do have a starter on it.
I am sure there is probably some speed you can pull it at but I don't want on it.
That being said if everything is right it should crank, assuming you do have a starter on it.
buickanddeere
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Wow ploughing some dirt is worth getting killed or crippled.
first thing is to make sure it will turn over by hand.trying to break one loose by pulling is sometimes not the best way.Next make sure you have brakes on the pulled tractor.then put it in high gear,and give it a pull.(after making sure you have gas and fire of course)a w series tractor will bust right off if its firing correctly.and they are not hard to crank.one reminder though,if you do decide to crank it,never ever wrap your thumb around the crank. simply roll engine over to compression turn crank until you can pull up, lay handle in palm of hand and give it a sharp pull up.all it has to do is rollover tdc once and fire and it will run.your wc probably will still have a mag unless someone has changed it over the years.well worth your time to go ahead before you start and clean the points. good old tractors,dont know if i could get used to those hand brakes again though!
one word of warning DO NOT trust the spring on your crank to disengage handle from front pulley.they have been known to hang and it can very easily knock you down and beat you to death!before you do use your crank inpect it for grooves where the pins on shaft engage.if it has grooves either file them away,or Replace parts with new.
one word of warning DO NOT trust the spring on your crank to disengage handle from front pulley.they have been known to hang and it can very easily knock you down and beat you to death!before you do use your crank inpect it for grooves where the pins on shaft engage.if it has grooves either file them away,or Replace parts with new.
Anonymous-0
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do not pull start something if you're over the age of 14 and have to ask how.
buickanddeere
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What's that? Some sort of whining and chirping after my post...........oh. Turns out it was just poor little Stew and his hurt feelings.
Some times you just have to pull them far enough to let the alt or gen charge enough to make a spark.
I was in on a pull start'n of a 70 something one ton chevy one time. Battery was dead and it took over two miles before she started back fire'n before it took off.
Dave
I was in on a pull start'n of a 70 something one ton chevy one time. Battery was dead and it took over two miles before she started back fire'n before it took off.
Dave
No its just me laughing at you being scared of pull starting a tractor. Your funny!!! Thanks for the laugh. It never was about feelings or pride. I asked for empirical data on different discussions and you gave me your opinions and not facts. Burden of proof is on you.......
At least spell my name right....lol. I love it
At least spell my name right....lol. I love it
Well pull stating is more of my last resort. i hope that i can just crank it but always good to have a plan B. As for the lack of experience i have a good local club here thats willing to help. Those who say if you have to ask dont do it. Well if we all thought that way then half these tractors would be scrap by know and id never learned half i know.
P.S.- Iam 16 didnt know anything about tractors 4 years ago but that didnt stop me from getting grampas old tractor out of the fencerow. This is my 4th tractor that ive worked on that started out unrunning and is now purring like new. Sometimes you just have to earn expirence.
P.S.- Iam 16 didnt know anything about tractors 4 years ago but that didnt stop me from getting grampas old tractor out of the fencerow. This is my 4th tractor that ive worked on that started out unrunning and is now purring like new. Sometimes you just have to earn expirence.
You can crank your self to death.Kettering invented the electric starter after his friend was killed cranking a car for a woman.J Mack was killed cranking one of his trucks.Sell the tractor and buy one with an electric starter.My Uncle got a broken nose cranking a 32 Chevy.Friend Fdgar came to school with his arm in a cast.Cranking a tractor.
Pulling one vehicle with another is inherently dangerous when using a rope/chain/cable/tow strap. Always has been and always will be. Trying to pull start a vehicle makes it more so. Just because you have done it for years without any accidents or injury isn't an indication that it's safe. As people have mentioned it can be done without problems but people need to be aware of the dangers and need to communicate to accomplish it without problems. Even the US Army discouraged tow starting stuff as early as 1974 and also had tow bars rather than chains for pulling things any distance. Now take someone who joined in 74 to be a clerk or cook. Most of those people never were in a situation where they NEEDED to know any of those things. By 96 almost everthing was auto tranny and couldn't be towed started.
As others have stated, lower gear on the towing tractor. Higher gear on the tractor you are trying to start. You want the non running tractors engine to spin over pretty good. Before starting you need to be sure that you have good spark and fuel plus that the tractor being pulled has good brakes. The chain/rope/cable/strap needs to be in good condition.
If you look at it a lot of people today have no idea how to pull start another vehicle, or for that matter by rolling one down a hill. Isn't thier fault they grew up in a time where most new cars and traucks have auto trannies. They are not stupid because they have never had to do it. And that sure don't mean that they shouldn't own something. Lacking knowledge or experience IS NOT an indication that someone is stupid. They are only stupid when they can't learn generally through NO FAULT OF THIER OWN!
Rick
As others have stated, lower gear on the towing tractor. Higher gear on the tractor you are trying to start. You want the non running tractors engine to spin over pretty good. Before starting you need to be sure that you have good spark and fuel plus that the tractor being pulled has good brakes. The chain/rope/cable/strap needs to be in good condition.
If you look at it a lot of people today have no idea how to pull start another vehicle, or for that matter by rolling one down a hill. Isn't thier fault they grew up in a time where most new cars and traucks have auto trannies. They are not stupid because they have never had to do it. And that sure don't mean that they shouldn't own something. Lacking knowledge or experience IS NOT an indication that someone is stupid. They are only stupid when they can't learn generally through NO FAULT OF THIER OWN!
Rick
buickanddeere
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Given the number of incidents that occur with
wrecked equipment, property damaged and injured or
killed personal.
It's reasonable to presume there are some people
not as smart/safe/capable as you.
wrecked equipment, property damaged and injured or
killed personal.
It's reasonable to presume there are some people
not as smart/safe/capable as you.
Anonymous-0
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You should consider yourself lucky that you are able to tell that story.
Pull starting can be done safely but that method does not qualify.
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That doesn't mean you have more common sense, I've done it too without any mishaps.....just means we were lucky!
Look at military refueling operations from fuel trucks. They are required to ground the fuel truck before operations. 2 times in just a few months 2 fuel trucks blew up because of faulty grounds. In both cases the trucks were grounded to steel post set in concrete, one a lamp pole and the other a fence post. One was at Sullivan Barracks, Mannheim Germany, 5/77 Armor Bn, the other at Boatwright Maintenance facility, Ft Know Ky. They had been grounding those trucks like that for many years. Same things happen while doing other things like tow starting something. All it takes is one little mistake or maybe a brake failure and it bite you in the butt.
Seems to me one type of person that get themselves in trouble around equipment are the ones who think they know it all.
Rick
That doesn't mean you have more common sense, I've done it too without any mishaps.....just means we were lucky!
Look at military refueling operations from fuel trucks. They are required to ground the fuel truck before operations. 2 times in just a few months 2 fuel trucks blew up because of faulty grounds. In both cases the trucks were grounded to steel post set in concrete, one a lamp pole and the other a fence post. One was at Sullivan Barracks, Mannheim Germany, 5/77 Armor Bn, the other at Boatwright Maintenance facility, Ft Know Ky. They had been grounding those trucks like that for many years. Same things happen while doing other things like tow starting something. All it takes is one little mistake or maybe a brake failure and it bite you in the butt.
Seems to me one type of person that get themselves in trouble around equipment are the ones who think they know it all.
Rick
I can't begin to tell anyone how many trucks,cars and tractors I've either pull started,push started or hand cranked to get started with no mishaps. It dosen't take much more than one good vehicle and two people with 2 bits worth of common sence.[/quote]
Well oldtanker I'm 70 years old and doing it my way hasen't got me yet. I think I'll keep doing it the same way. As an aside I spent 34 years in aircraft maintaince. I've refueld and defueled many many aircraft and know the importance of proper grounding. Never had any mishaps doing that either.
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