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Bob Bancroft

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With the mild weather, I just took a drive around the perimeter of some rented fields to check drainage ditches, etc. Found about 20 decoys(goose/duck) in the corners of my wheat and corn stubble fields, along a neighbor/property line/ditch. Imagine my surpise that these inanimate objects do like the real thing, and migrate to the better eating! I stopped back to make sure the property owner hadn't given permission(I was sure he hadn't) before I destroy the things.
They have been out there through lots of wind, and what angered me the most, was the nice steel rod base, from which the duck decoys had blown off, that would make a perfect tractor/combine tire poker.
I haven't been able to discern any good any hunter has ever done me as a property owner/crop farmer. And they always leave something behind. I have to deal with one hunter(landlord). But there will be no more extra permission for anyone for any reason.(The name on the bottom of some of these decoys is someone I know)
I wonder how many extra blood pressure pills I should take tonight?
 
What gets my goat is the fact that these people think that is their God given right to hunt or fish anywhere they want and get pi##ed off if you say anything about it. I don't have enough to hunt on, but I have had to run a lot of people off who were fishing in my pond, and some even claimed that they had permission from someone!
 
Start a petition drive with wording to the effect you get caught hunting on some one else's land with out permission the fine is equal to that year's property taxes and court costs AND damage done to land or equipment of the land owner due to hunting on posted land is paid to the landowner from the money the state gets from hunting licenses if johnny law can't catch the trespasser.
 
You are enjoying today's hunters. Things like this is why I don't allow any non family hunters anymore. I also have it written in my land rental agreements that the landlord and I have to agree on any hunter allowed to hunt the ground I farm. I too got tired of the mess left behind by hunters. I have to run some off every deer season.

I have two ponds that we used to fish in. They had been cleaned out by guys sneaking in the back side of the farm and stealing the fish I had stocked in them. I put drain pipes in them a few years ago. I now run them dry every winter. Not one fish in them any more. I let them fill each spring for summer watering. I am not providing fish for some one else.

There is a skit on TV about someone driving into a fancy neighborhood and pitching a tent and camping in the front yard of some fancy house. That is just about the same thing these hunters are doing. TRESPASSING!!!!

I am starting to feel like I should be able to just shoot any trespasser on my land. It is just like breaking into my home.

I have feed and protected animals on my land just to have some idiot hunter shoot them. I had an albino doe that stayed with my cattle year round. She showed up missing one dear season. I later heard a guy bragging about how he had snuck on my ground and shot her. He has a hard time using his trigger hand now I broke every bone in his hand. I told him if I ever caught him on my ground he would not live to have charges pressed against him. That was twenty years ago. I still get mad thinking about it.

Let those that want to hunt PAY for some land of their own to hunt on or stay on state/federal owned land. They take some of my tax dollars every year to support public land that can be hunted on.
 
You are in New York State? Nothing will be done by DEC. Now, pink flamingoes are old hat, pink geese are trendy. You could have a whole front yard full of pink gooses, and if that guy EVER approaches you about it, have the riot act ready to read. Or, like what I did with only one hunter in my life,well before season. he started helping paint the house, fix barn doors, helpoed in the hay fields! Then HE did the posting- and policing after that. He earned the right, and if a relative wanted to hunt my place, they had to OK it with him, and follow his rules, made my life much easier.
 
Why can't they hunt on government property? I agree, they tear up fences, etc. But if you give hunters permission to build a shelter for them to use while hunting it is amazing what a good job they do.
 
Correct. If I did as Ray(MI) suggests and talk to the "fish cops"- they would be after me if I mention these decoys might go up in smoke!
 
Sounds like you have a careless one to ruin it for others or hunters reputation.

Some of my friends and others I know, do hunt birds on ag land, with permission and never leave things behind or act ignorant to common sense, you do not leave decoys out, steel rods, at least bag em up and stage them somewhere out of the way, in reality, they should leave with you each time. I'm not much into bird hunting, once in awhile, some people just ruin it for others. Just read a story, a local very small city with outer town like population that was beautiful ag land, now mostly subdivided passed shotgun only big game season nearby because bullets were ending up in peoples houses, I have no use for careless, ignorant and plain stupid hunters that do things like this, our place here could easily succumb to that, and I know of one house not far from the property line that received a stray rifle bullet during the season. Always a jerk to ruin it, why some people are just plain stupid about some things we will never know why.

Like what Tony said below, a person needs to learn responsibility and show manners like they owned it. I have 2 friends that hunt here, either is always wiling to lend a hand, one has helped me clear after the big ice storm in '08 and for the past couple of years, lot of hard work to keep perimeter road/paths open, would not bother me one bit if he sat in my stand on opening day, the extra help sure is appreciated and that same wood is heating my garage/basement right now, and there is a tractor parked in there LOL !
 
Hunters here are different..... Not like going to walmart and buying a shotgun and license & head to the woods or back roads... Still plenty of sh!theads around but they are confined to thier area. The area I live in has 4 hunters and they are responsible for keeping herds healthy and thinned as needed and also responsible for damage caused by wildlife in thier area. The one that is responsible for the area where we have our outside stalls is teaching his son so he can get his license next year.
Had to chuckle a little this morning because it was 5 degrees and the ground clean and frozen like a rock. These dear are just under waist hi and don't weigh much. There were two does eating with the horses when I went back this morning and they walked off and across the valley to the woods. Little later, him and his boy drive up and are talking. Told him about the deer but not whether they were buck or doe.... They got out and checked the ground out, walked around a little, and said t was a buck and a doe and went back up in the woods. They went to get on the other road above the woods... I just let em go (the opposite direction of where the deer went).... Brushed and fussed with the horses about a half hour and the buck showed up at the mineral block 50 feet away... Guess he'll be around awhile........

If the decoys are on your property and you know who they belong to, I'd gather them up and tell him you just put em on ebay and he can bid on em.... That or just give em back and whup his a$$/ tell him to stay off your property.....
 
Drained the pond....... yeah I know, sometimes its what you have to do, that would really pi$$ me off, pay the taxes, do what farming, agriculture and livestock requires and you can't take a few hours when you have a chance and take the grandkid or whomever fishing for awhile. People can be such a pain.

I like the story about the albino, we had both a buck and a doe piebald here, and myself, neighboring owner would absolutely not shoot those, I have photos of the doe, they were here a couple of years, and we own all the thick cover so they can really hide here, that buck, 8pt last I saw him was really something to watch, he knew he was more visible, doe did too, they congregated in the field of oats, after harvest til december, grazing, oat grass really draws em in, both were something to watch and appreciate, and there are taxidermists here that would pay nicely for one of these, + other hunters who would brag up a storm and tell some high on the hog stories about getting one of these.

I am very thankful for the land we have to hunt and that over time, I've been able to keep jerks out and away, but believe it or not, right over the line on ag land, of 300+ acres, people still go in there, bicker, wound deer, and all kinds of stupid things, was part of a big dairy, mostly corn now by a large grower selling the grain, whom if lived on the place would not tolerate it, he's just got way too much ground to cover, if you look on the satellite photos, most of what you see is his or the other large dairy, people take advantage because of all the woodland in between, hedgerows and isolated fields, different to farm around here with the lay of the land like that, hard to patrol too.
 
If it were me I would put bullet holes in the decoys or just cut the heads off with a saw, make it look all sinister like. Of course just leave the decoys there after you decapitate them.
 
Bob, I don;t know what state you are in, but I saw reference to NY. If that's the case and if the land is posted then call the local NYSP and pursue a trespass complaint.

I'm hunter, fisherman and trapper. I don't trespass or mess with other peoples land or stuff. I mostly hunt my own farm. I allow one other person to hunt my land. I've chased off dozens. Nothing I hate worse than some townie that thinks because 70 years back his grandfathers wifes cousin owned the farm that he has some sort of right to hunt here.
 
Forgot to add, what I hate far worse than hunters is these clowns and their ATVs! Invariably they live either in town on a lot or in a trailer on welfare and they have a $8K ATV and absolutely no regard for private property, V+T laws, fences, or peoples land. You want to outlaw something? ATVs are a good place to start!
 
I dont allow any hunting by anybody, no friends, no kinfolks. Once you let one hunt, first thing you know they will bring someone else with them. I find it much easier to just say no and mean it, every time. End of problems. Tom
 
There are six hunters who hunt my land beside myself. And I've known and hunted with all of them for years, so I know they'll do it right. The also bring me hams, turkeys, and other goodies for letting them hunt.

Once, a number of years ago, a couple of guys I was working with at the time kept bugging me to let them hunt on my land. From coffee break conversations, I could tell they were the kind who look at hunting as an excuse to get half snockered and shoot up anything that moves.

I kept telling them "No". They kept getting more insistant. I finally told them one day that the day I saw a pickup with Lincoln or Omaha license plates come down the road in front of my property with guys picking up beer cans and trash in the ditches and throwing it in the back of the pickup, I MIGHT change my mind.

I never heard another word about it from them.
 
Well, I guess you hate me then. I am an avid hunter. Of course I hunt on my own ground, and my neighbors with permission. Farm has been in the family since 1904. Hope it's OK with you if I hunt it.

Gene
 
I don't let anyone besides family--and not all of them--hunt on my property. One year my BIL cut shooting lanes and left dozens of punji stakes sticking up cause he cut the brush so high rather than close to the ground. No matter where I hunt, I carry my hulls out; I don't leave them on the ground. When I hunt out-of-state, I always ask the owner if there are any abandoned wells, what his boundaries are and the depth of farm ponds. I've had a dog on thin ice once or twice and was able to call her back. I'd go in after her if I couild safely.

Larry
 
Years ago, my neighbor said a bow hunter wanted permission to hunt. He was smoking a cigarette. He told him he could hunt under one condition. (It was a very dry fall.) He had to leave his matches or lighter & cigarettes at the house & get them when done hunting. The guy never came back.
 
"Why can't they hunt on government property?"

State game lands and forests are too crowded, the hunting is much better on posted ground. For most of them it isn't a matter of what's right, it's a matter of being careful to not get caught.
 
We have several ponds and a water shed lake on our place, we have people ask to fish quite often and we really like the ones that ask if we like fish, which we do, they clean them and we eat them. Can't get any better than that.

Bob you sound like a person that lumps all people in the same category. Remember some people think all farmers are stupid. Every person is his own person. If you found something with a name you know why not take it to them and explain the situation, you might make a friend, who knows, you might not need that blood pressure medication if you look at things a little differently. Some folks just don't realize they are doing anything wrong. If you're always looking for something to be peeved about you can usually find it, I see it all the time, but then I drive a truck and you know how stupid all of us are.

Jim
 
By all means. Shoot away! Maybe it's something about our idiot northeasterners! It is the very rare exception here that a hunter is satisfied to stay where they belong, or doesn't leave some junk or damage behind.
 
Why not man up and talk to this guy it looks like you know him? Maybe lay out some rules. If it goes good ok if not call the fish cops serve him papers to stay off. Will get more results than whinning on here. I also bet your state has hunting laws some of them may apply (one state you cannot leave decoys out)
 
The name I found I thought WAS a friend! Leaving his junk in my crop, potentially causing significant damage is not my idea of a friend. Possibly it was his son.
See my reply to GeneMO. The common denominator, at least here, with hunters, is that they have no respect for any ELSES private property.
I drive a truck also, and I never trespass with it. Do you?
 
I will be talking to him sometime as I know him well. He has hunted on my property. He won't again.
See some of my other replies.
I thought the guy was a friend.
How do I throw people off property I don't own?
You are absolutely wrong- my blowing off steam on here is doing more good than calling any law here.
 
Approach him as a gentleman. There might be a chance that neither he or his son put them there. If someone happened to steal his decoys and put them on your land or some outlandish thing like that, and you go screaming in his face you will have to eat your words. Honey tastes better than vinegar. Jim
 
The whole story is too long for me to type up. They weren't stolen. I know the group who hunts across the line.
I will reiterate- it's not MY land, just my crop, and my possible costly damages.
This is the first time for this crew and this property, but I have seen this behavior before. I have had "friends" decide that just because I am renting some ground, I won't mind if they hunt on it! WTF?
I don't scream. But maybe it would be better if I did !
 
Sounds like some city fellows around here nice guys but brain dead when it comes to thinking about things like tearing up farm equipment.You can't afford for them to hunt there for sure.
 
We don't have much trouble in our community. We lease hunting rights to a club that does a good job and follows our rules and the rules of ethical hunting. I used to hunt a lot myself, but don't have as much time to do it as I once did. I'm sure we have some poachers that we don't know about since our land is not all in one tract, but I've never seen a lot of evidence of it. Everyone in our community keeps an eye out for strange vehicles and most of us have an agreement to watch out for each others' places. From the posts here, it sounds like other places have a lot more trouble. Hunting rights are an asset and can be a good additional source of revenue. NC has also changed trespassing laws so that they actually mean something. If you catch someone, you can get something done about it. Well placed and hidden game cameras are also a great tool for landowners if trespassing is a problem.
 
Most of the replies on here really upset me. The idea that ALL hunters are trashy yahoos the destroy your property is flat wrong I have been hunting for 15 yrs and I've helped bale hay, repack hydraulic cylinders, paint barns, mow yards almost anything to get permission to hunt. If I bring it in I take it out. Most the time no one could even tell I had been there. And It sucks that now days most land owners have the same opinion of hunters that a lot of you guys do. And I can't find a place to hunt. Hunting has been a tradition in my family for generations. And public land is so crowded and over hunted it's pointless and here in central Indy there isn't much public ground anyway. All the irresponsible hunters haveruined it for the rest of us. It sure would be nice if some you all would give a guy a chance. Tell him the rules and tell him you break them your done. I've got a small farm but no woods. And as a first generation farmer land is so expensive that most can't afford to buy land just to hint on. We (hunters) are not all bad. To bob I say let him hunt just tell him your rules and the penalties for breaking them, u can't patrol all your land all day and if you let him hunt tell him its his job toto keep out the riff raff. And every one else your LAND will be hunted weather it's by a responsible hunter or a law breaking jerk is up to you. Ok sorry I'm done with my rant.
 
I read the posts below and two things pop out at me. One, you don't even know who did it because you said it might be your ex-friend, and possibly not him, but rather his son. Who knows, it might not be either of them but some poachers like I have had in my woods. It happens. My suggestion, calm down before you go shaking your fist and cussing and spitting and breathing fire at him or his son, because if it isn't him or his son and you go screaming at them, your wife may be rushing you to the emergency room with at least a broken nose, and deservedly so, and at least. Secondly, you said that you rent the property, so it belongs to someone else that should be handling it. If they don't handle it to your liking, then you end your business with THAT person and THAT person's property, which you lease because it is NOT your property.

You may be correct in your assumptions, and you may be wrong. Based upon what YOU posted here, you indicated that you DON'T even know for sure who did it, but you are cussing and frothing at the mouth at who you suspect, and then frothing at people here who you are frothing to, and if you're wrong and go off anymore half cocked than you already have, and blow up on the guy or his kid you SUSPECT or in front of his wife or other kids when you do, and are wrong...hospital ER, broken nose only, if you're lucky, and deservedly so. I got no use for poachers, and I got no use for people going off half cocked at someone else's expense, especially if they are wrong.

I've based everything that I posted based upon what you posted so far.

Mark
 
I used to let any one shoot deer. It's easier to just shoot them myself. I have some family and two friends that I let come out now but that's it. I am done train'n folks how to shut gates, drive on gravel, and stay where they are told to be.

Dave
 
I quite agree. Maybe JDSeller has a point about "TODAYS" hunters. Maybe it's a reflection of society as a whole.
It really is too bad. We are overwhelmed with deer. They should be hunted heavily. But when the hunters do more damage, they lose.
Unfortunately it sounds like you're in a SMALL minority.
 
No, go back and read your posts. If you aren't doing those things, it sure reads as though you are close to it. The broken nose part comes from your future ex-friend if you go off on him or his son, and are wrong. Go back and read your posts.

And then calm down and deal with the situation, reasonably and with accuracy.

Mark
 
We have major deer problems here and have finally convinced the hunters that they need to start shooting does. The problem is that our area is sparsely populated and heavily wooded. There are quite a few contiguous tracts of woodland in this county and the surrounding ones that are several thousand acres, not to mention untold smaller woodland tracts. Also, the floodplain of the Cape Fear River and the swampy areas of its tributaries provide excellent habitat for deer and our fields are on the plateau above it, so crop damage is a major problem, even from turkeys. Across the river they have feral hogs, but thankfully no one has seen them on this side of the river. I don't know how many deer we would have to kill to make a difference. I'm sure it would be enough meat to feed a lot of people though.
 
When you checked with the landowner, did he in fact tell you that the trespasser did not have his permission to hunt there ? I can understand how you feel, but if the landowner or some member of his family gave the hunters permission, It may be more difficult to address the issue. From reading this post and the responses, one thought crosses my mind - for anyone renting land (landlord or tenant) if hunting ,or not wanting hunting is an issue for either party, it probably should be discussed when rental aggreements are worked out, maybe terms in writing if necessary. In this area of NY (Not too far from Bob B ) it is becoming popular to rent /lease hunting rights on large parcels. I know of a large dairy operation with several different farms that does this, and also know of people who rent their cropland , and also rent the hunting rights to different people than what rents the cropland.
 
Hoosier,
This is a subject that comes up here fairly often.
Not much point in trying to reason with the hunter haters. They just like to rant and exaggerate.
All a guy can really do is hope that due to anti hunter types the deer population continues to explode. When the land owners realize the deer are seriously cutting in to their harvest they will adjust their attitude a little.
I still regret that the wind blew a little piece of lint off my mitten and I didn't see it to pick it up before the land owner did.
But I still can't hunt there any more for littering.
 
Bob, I was going to stay out of this one but I have to ask, do you have a rental agreement?
If not, even a verbal agreement has given rules.
Any rental contract I've had may have had a few stipulations. Shouldn'ts may include removing mature trees, draining wetlands or sub-renting. Shoulds might include maintaining driveways and fences.
Otherwise the land is yours to have and to hold and enjoy for the duration of the contract. This nearly always includes hunting rights UNLESS they are specifically retained by the landlord and even then hes not allowed to drive over crops or anything stupid to do his hunting or allow others to inhibit your farming.
I would make sure your landlord understands this. Make sure he didn't give someone permission on the land by mistake. In my mind you have every right to say who sets foot on the property if your paying the rent. If someone asks your landlord permission, he should be respectful to you and refer them to you for permission as the renter. This includes his brother's sister-in law's 2nd cousin's neighbor's shade tree machanic who hunted it five years ago and took a sh!t behind the cottonwood tree and so thinks he's marked his territory and has a right to come back any time he feels like it. Now if you have a nut job landlord who doesn't know up from down, then you may have to put up with a lot of stuff just to stay in good graces with him for the next rental contract but you sure aren't obligated to if you want to exercise your rights. Some of these boys should cough up the 150-200 dollars per acre rent you're paying and they can hunt all they want.
 
Mark, I have no idea what part of Indiana you are in but in the civilized world when you are leasing property you become the legal caretaker of it. Someone is hurt you are the responsible party; along with the land owner. Someone growing pot on the back 40 you will be arrested as the one responsible, and it will cost a lot to prove your innocence. So a tenant has the right to refuse entrance to the landowners hunting buddies, it probably will cost him the lease but it is his right by law.
 
No I don't trespass with a truck but you sound like the ones I see all the time that are peeved at the world and it's my fault because I was in your area. you're just not a very happy person are you Bob?

Jim
 
You are correct but it depends on the lease and generally around here you lease the crop ground so if some is in the woods you really don't have the authority unless you lease the whole farm and it's in black and white. Some places here that have larger tracts of woods lease the tillable ground to a farmer and the woods to a rich city guy so there could be more than one lease on a piece of ground. As to some one growing pot it's happend to me were I picked up some hay ground half way through the year and a DEA chopper found some pot. The sheriff stopped by ask some questions but that was the end of it. I think they know that most of the time the farmer had no idea it was there.
 
(quoted from post at 17:26:40 02/05/12) I dont allow any hunting by anybody, no friends, no kinfolks. Once you let one hunt, first thing you know they will bring someone else with them. I find it much easier to just say no and mean it, every time. End of problems. Tom
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I agree. When I bought my rural property, which is vacant, neighbors had been using it as their perosnal recreation area. Rutted ATV tracks all over, left their beer bottles/cans all around the pond where they fished, deer stands all over. I put up signs and then proeceeded to fence it off.

Neighbors were PO'ed but I made it clear that I would NOT allow them to hunt/fish/trespass on MY property. Now, there's no way I can enforce it when I'm not there and I have had one guy cut down a fence during deer season, but at least I've made my position known. There are inconsiderate people all over (city,suburbia, country) but I have found a higher percentage of my neighbors in the country to be under-educated, arrogant, rude, egotistical and just not pleasant to be around. And hunting is one thing that they all think they have a god-given right to do wherever they please.

(ps, there are a couple of neighbors who ARE considerate and friendly and just the type of people you want to live next door to.)
 
(quoted from post at 20:49:11 02/05/12) Hoosier,
This is a subject that comes up here fairly often.
Not much point in trying to reason with the hunter haters. They just like to rant and exaggerate.
All a guy can really do is hope that due to anti hunter types the deer population continues to explode. When the land owners realize the deer are seriously cutting in to their harvest they will adjust their attitude a little.
I still regret that the wind blew a little piece of lint off my mitten and I didn't see it to pick it up before the land owner did.
But I still can't hunt there any more for littering.
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You and I have had this conversation before. I have not exaggerated once about some of the stuff that goes on in our area. Lot of the folks who cause problems in our area are related on my wifes side and they are the worst offenders on road hunting too. Former county Sheriff lives live just east of me. You should ask him about the stuff that goes on in Otter Tail county. Heck myself and a friend both found pot patches on our properties that were being cultivated. On ours they were coming down an old rail road bed to gain access.....on Jim's place by boat from a samll lake with a public access.

Rick
 
I got the hay off a good piece of hay ground once because the guy who was going to do it didn't want to mow around all the 5 gallon growing pots distributed around the field. I had a loader on the tractor, and as I encountered them, I put them in the loader. When loader got full, I detoured to the back fence, and lined them up there. About 20, as I recall.

Owner was mad at first, until I pointed out that once the hay was mowed, they would have stuck out like a sore thumb scattered around the field, and even someone as dim as Barney Fife would have investigated. I had made sure I put them along a section of the fence that couldn't be seen from the county road. He then gladdened up considerably, and even offered me some of the crop for my trouble. I graciously declined.
 
Ultradog,I'am not anti-hunter because i have 3 or 4 regulars that hunt birds-rabbits and 3 deer hunters with 4 tree stands-cameras,but this is the last year for the deer hunting.ALL DEER HUNTERS seem to be selective and don't try to help control the herd sizes.Saying I could kill one with ever shot,I could kill 10 to 20 each year without trying hard.These deer people are lucky to get 1 or2 hunting every day for 3-4 months.Deer hunters are about the bottom of the hunter pool,so you can see why a lot of farmers won't let them in.
 
I get very upset when someone says some derrogatory remarks about HUNTERS!!!!!! I am a HUNTER, I hunt deer , rabbits, turkey , squirrel, coyote, etc. but I hunt them LEGALY. With permission, in season, correct permits correct weapon etc---- I believe you are referring to POACHERS!!!!!! POACHING is the ILLEGAL taking af any game and should not be confused with HUNTING. So please do not give HUNTING a bad name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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