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OT Keystone Pipeline Questions

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Straw Boss

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The Keystone project is in the news again.
I may sound too simplistic here but hey.

A. If the aquifer in Nebraska is a problem for the route because water quality will be threatened, then why not put the pipeline above ground like they did in Alaska? The rest of it could stay below ground on the rest of the route.

B. If the oil needs to reach the gulf to be refined, then why not instead build a refinery in ND and be done with it? Why transport all of it down south to refine it just to truck it all back up north to consume it?

C. Without going straight to the intergrity of this administration or lack there of...can someone explain to me why anyone would fight the projects that provide America with jobs, energy, independence and prosperity? Whatever happened to American ingenuity, problem solving or the simple "can-do" attitude that built every farm and factory in this country?
 

I agree with your second question. Why do we need to pipe it all the way down to Texas? Why not just refine it at the source?
 
Sounds like a good question for a US congressman or Senator. I've come to the conslusion that common sense is wasted on the middle class. There's not one ounce of it in Washington DC. Maybe T. Boone Pickins can help. rw.
 
The Keystone XL pipeline would cross the Ogallala Aquifer for some 250 miles - there are already almost 21000 miles of pipelines across the Ogallala Aquifer transporting 730,000,000,000 barrels of crude oil across it.
 
The dear government in Iowa blocked a new refinery to be built in South Dakota, because of the odor/fumes.

Guess they must be worse than all the hog confinements output. (tongue in cheek)

Stupid decision.
 
When was the last refinery built in the US? NIMBY. Bit In MY Backyard You don't. There is more red tape to building a refinery than a pipeline.
 
There are pipelines all over Neb without problems so why would one more make a difference. You wount be importing oil from abroad instead using oil from Canada so you use the same ones. We are now improrting oil from other countries and refining it for them and sending gas back to them. Do you have any idea what it a mes to build one up north. You still would need a pipeline to transport the finished product.
 
The reason is not to lessen our dependence on foriegn oil i assure you. if it is piped to texas it is much easier to put it on a boat and send it around the world. And that can be the only logical reason. Our goverment would rather we pay 5 dollars a gallon for diesel imported from overseas, than to see us build a refinery and use American or Canadian oil. I live in north dakota and the only way we will get another refinery(there is one in Mandan) is if the the Indians can fund it and build it on the reservation. On a side note since our countrys #2 export is now oil i think it should be mandatory that all fuels exported should be blended at least 20% ethanol and 40% biodiesel. I have no problems with ethanol or biodiesel, but i personally dont run it in my vehicles but i live in America and believe people should be able to have the choice. I wish our country could get out of opec and let supply and demand actually dictate the price of fuel.

Ive called my state legislators, ive been told "that another refinery under current administration and forseeable future administrations is not environmentally feasible" So next time you buy a couple thousand gallons of fuel for your farm thank a tree hugger and an oil company for supporting your local congressman.
 
Simple answer, it is not about any of the issue you sight, it is all about control, control of us the people. No oil, no fuel, no jobs, then we must turn to the government to save us. Same with all the action by this administration.
 
I agree,no need to build a pipeline to texas. Why not use Lake Superior to ship it out and build a refinery in Minnesota or Michigan?It"s all politics and we the consumer wind up paying for it.
 
I agree,no need to build a pipeline to texas. Why not use Lake Superior to ship it out and build a refinery in Minnesota or Michigan?It"s all politics and we the consumer wind up paying for it.
 
"...can someone explain to me why anyone would fight the projects that provide America with jobs, energy, independence and prosperity?"

There are people who want to see our system fail for different selfesh reasons.

"Whatever happened to American ingenuity, problem solving or the simple "can-do" attitude that built every farm and factory in this country?"
The folks who want to see our system fail have tied the hands of those of us who want to build and do. Those same folks have convinced many of our citizens to sit on their rump and collect what they are "entitled" to.
 
for the most part those of us are just dumb farmers or grew up on a farm and have common cents.
we are to blasted dumb to see the overall picture.
that's way we don't understand this bs coming out of washington.
oh by the way i think my bull has more smarts than 90% those idiots
 
From what I have read on this justanothercase has it about right. The oil would or will just be shipped to China.
 
I agree. Either enlarge existing refineries or build new ones. There are several proposals (Williston ND newspaper) for new ones in the immiediate area.

Guess no one uses petro commodities in the upper west and upper midwest.

They (whoever they are) prefer to ship crude to the Gulf refineries (where they have crude, off shore and available by tankers) to make what, you guess it, more money for themselves. Would not having more refineries in upper regions be responsible thinking for a couple of reasons. Lack of hurricanes and lessening the potential of attacks by terrorists and other foes of the US and Canada.
 
Last Grassroot refinery was built in US in the early 80's. Almost impossible to build today,due State and Federal Permits(EPA)!
 
Fuel use in the US has dropped every year since 2006 due to increased fuel economy, increased fuel prices and bad economy. They want to send it to Texas so it can be refined at existing refineries and exported.
We already have the refining capacity due to decreased domestic demand. We import more CRUDE oil than anybody else in the world but Fuel (refined crude) is now our biggest export.
In 2011, U.S. refiners exported 117 million gallons per day of gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and other petroleum products, up from 40 million gallons per day a decade earlier.
Refiners are getting more for fuel sold overseas than in the US so they are selling essentially to the highest bidder. It keeps fuel supplies tighter in the US and therefore keeps prices higher for us.
Not a fan of this administration but this is about corporations trying to make money. Thats what corporations do.
 
It doesn't Sid,..but they could go East with it just as easy as going South to Texas,..probably shorter at that. Just my two cents speaking.
 
The Great Lakes locks are too small for oil tankers. The lakes are frozen over for how many months of the year? It's a long way from the St Lawrence Seaway to Texas. May as well just refine the heavy crude at the Irving refinery at St John NB.There already are oil pipelines running east. The solution now appears to build a pipeline west to Vancouver and ship the oil to China. Good market for oil there. They are not broke from fighting two impossible civil wars either.
 
There is a refinery in Pine Bend, south of TC. Fed by a pipeline (Williams) from northern MN. Another went thru this area a few years ago.
 
Building an oil refinery today is about like building a coal fired powerhouse. I live in WV. coal used to be king. Coal fired power houses were plentiful. We supplied electricity to several states. The EPA has declared war on the mines and the power company. With no coal,no electricity and no oil how much longer can the good old USA survive?
 
South Dakota has been trying for years to get the hyperion oil refinery built. But just keep studying it to death or environmentalist slowing it down. How many years or decades does it take to study the environmental impacts of refinerys and pipelines.
 
first things first,I support the building of any and all pipelines. Why build a refinery in ND? First of all,the treehuggers won't allow it,they are trying very hard to stop the XL anyway.Second,why not spread the work and tax revenue generated by the construction and property taxes around,instead of making one town or state filthy rich.This job will put thousands of americans to work building this line. Why are they worried about the aquifer,because the treehuggers are bored,no other agenda.We should be shipping the product nowhere and we should be importing NOTHING from overseas,do it ourselves and this country will fix itself.AMERICANS WORKING,AMERICANS SPENDING,AMERICA PROSPERS. Ultimatly the treehuggers can't stand that,so they raise hell and spend millions to stop anything that may create jobs for americans.Why would we want to create jobs here when we can let the towelheads and chinamen do the work and get the money,this country will be communist china,if we don't start doing something for ourselves PDQ. I ask you treehuggers,what is wrong with working our own people and let this country expand and to HELL with foreign oil.
 
Well, guess id doesn"t much matter.... The president squelched the project so it is a moot point. Would have provided a lot of jobs, more fuel and possibly lower fuel prices. But thet"s all down the drain now.
 
They're stopping the pipeline for the same reason they're resisting gas drilling in Pennsylvania and building coal fired power plants: Because in order to make "green" energy cost effective they need to drive up the cost of fossil fuel. Companies like Solyndra would make a profit if oil was $200/barrel.
 
It's basically a moot point right now because the Canadian government has decided that Ft Mac oil will now be piped to the left coast and shipped to China. I believe Harper's reasoning was that 'we need to diversify our energy customers'...
Ya snooze, ya lose.

Rod
 
Great idea. Exit the thieving money is king corporations and all that export stuff.

But you and I are the little guys paying for all this and if you think for one minute anything is going to change........guess again.

Golden rule applies as it always has and will never change, but government intervention does help us fight the big $$$ interests. So the next time you whine about the government getting into something , think again.

I am driving a GM P/U that I bought new in April/2011 that I would not have bought a couple of years earler....before the Gov got into GM's act and cleaned it up.

Mark

Mark
 
C Spam which covers congress had a little about it today. Looks like Canada will run the pipe to the BC coast and sell to China. Talk a kick in the ####.
 
Rod and 1936 are right, there is a Chinese company that bought major rights to the Alberta Tar Sands, and are in the approval process for a big pipeline from the Tar Sands to Kitimat, BC. Where the oil will be loaded on ships bound for China.

The US better get that pipeline approved quick, it's slipping away... (although, it will probably be a while in our approval process too).

I have actually worked on this new Canadian pipeline. I'm a Geologist in Northern BC. I would really rather see us sell it to the US than to Asia, but I'm not a politician...

Bye for now,

Troy
 
That is one reason diesel is higher than gas. We export a considerable amount of diesel to end users all over the world.

Corporations don't give a flip about the American citizen, it is the money folks. Why do you think they want the crude to go to Texas. Think about it.
 
If it is going to get shipped as an end product, ie , gas, diesel, so much for trying to be less energy dependent on overseas oil.
 
Fellas, it is a lotcheaper and handier to process and ship out oil from Texas than North Dakota. If you think that oil from those refineries isn't going to be shipped out you better wake up. They can build a refinery up here for the cost of the pipeline why build the pipeline. It is probably going to go to Chian either way--my guess.
 
We got refinieries in Texas that want to ship refined goods out to Brazil, Europe, and other places. They need the oil coming out of Canada to refine & ship to other countries.

The low value of the US dollar has changed that value we precive of some of these commodities, and for the time being we can sell off some refined crude and make some good money at it.

Makes it kinda rough to fill our own gas tanks right now, or buy feed, or ....

But, it helps out other segments of the ecconomy, like refining for the time being.

Likely by the time the pipeline is actually built it won't be wanted so much as eccinomics will have changed by then.


Burrying the pipe is the much better thing, it would look on the map like it could be routed outside the aquifer area pretty easily if that were a 'for real' hangup, there is already a pipeline in that area. No one wants an above ground pipeline if they can help it, the temp changes make that not at all easy to deal with; as well it diesn't matter much if it leaks when above ground or 4 feet underground, it would wash through the sandy soil just as easily.

--->Paul
 
Hey, there ain't no tree-huggers in North Dakota.
The Keystone cuts through my brother's land and has been complete there now for two years. It's done. After the few political wranglings make the news
and both sides try to beat the other over the head with it the oil will be flowing. We export most of
our gasoline already. This isn't for the good ole
US, the pipeline as mentioned is to bypass the US and ship it from Canada to Texas for export.
 
The thing is not coming thru Tennessee but that one point might just be the think that makes external_link a one term president. AL Gore would not change his stance on gun control,Lost his home state Tennessee and lost the election.. You can kiss up to those tree huggers just so far. Lots of just old plain country boys that never speak up but sure know how to vote. America needed the jobs.
 
For one thing, above ground pipelines raise he11 with roads.

That being said, as a Nebraska resident, the whole thing has me stumped. Oil does not mix with water. Farm chemicals do. The aquifer is already contaminated with farm chemicals that have leached through the soil far more than a leak from an underground pipeline could.

The whole thing is politics and whose palm gets greased the most.
 
Oddly enough, the same president that thinks that 24 hours during the Christmas holiday is plenty of time to completely vet an overhaul of the nation's healthcare system now claims that 60 days is insufficient to review the route of a pipeline.
 
Hey Fellows what happen to the not enough of REFINERIES when gas went up a few years ago?????????? Wow we found enough( REFINERIES)to do their oil plus export gas and diesel.... Bend over guys
 
When was the last time something that didn't include death and devestation or how bad America is doing make the national news? Must be pretty calm right now.
 
Greenies plan for you is to eliminate gasoline and diesel engines for your own good. They are also happy to be in charge and Regulate what is good for you.
 
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