Pull 2 tractors with a 1500 Dodge?

gordy from Iowa · Jan 14, 2012

Boys (or girls), Can I pull a couple tractors on our 14,000 lb rated 5th wheel flat bed? Total weight of tractors would be about 12500 lbs.

According to the Dodge web site, a 1500 is only rated to pull 8500 lbs. So, does pulling a load over 8500 void the guarantees?

Maybe I"ll have to go up to a 2500 pickup.

Thanks for the help!!

tractorsam · Jan 14, 2012

Usually in this case the issue is not the pulling, it's the stopping. Also you're missing an important number which is the weight of the trailer. I'm guessing if it's rated to haul 14000lbs then it'll weight something like 4000lbs.

So you're looking at pulling 16 500lbs with a truck rated to haul 8500lbs? Please let me know where you're going so I can be elsewhere.

If you have a warranty on your truck this will void it for sure. To haul that kind of load you need at least a stout 3/4 ton or better yet a 1 ton.

You might haul it but it won't be safe. Best of luck, Sam

donjr · Jan 14, 2012

Probably not unless you say something. But with that much weight, you'd be much better off with a 2500. We keep laughing about the citidiots around here getting four wheel drive so they can 'go in the snow'. We might get snow for two or three months a year, and the roads are usually fit to drive on in just a few hours after a storm. If it gets that bad, there's usually plenty of notice. But what they don't realize in their big rush is they still have to get the vehiocle stopped after they get it going. Same with that much load, and your truck. The brakes on a 2500 and 3500 truck are much heavier as well as the rear axles; floating vs. semi floating. They carry the laod differently, and have larger brake area to help control the heavier load, plus heavier springs to support the weight. You won't regret the decision to get a heavier truck.

M Nut · Jan 14, 2012

I'd sure want a 3/4 ton for that weight. I have a gooseneck hitch in a 1/2 ton and a 3/4, and once I used the 1/2 ton to haul my 4020 John Deere on a 20 mile round trip when the 3/4 ton needed some repairs. It did the job, but was not an easy task for it. I was more concerned about the drive train of the pickup (axles, transmission, etc.) than any power issues. Sure wouldn't want to be pulling 12,500 on any type of a regular basis.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 14, 2012

you heard them , if you can stop that load ,THATS ThE MAIN WORRY ,, sure you can probably pull it on normal raods at less than normal speeds to be safe ,You are 5th Wheelin , which is far safer than Reese hitches which i use on my cummins ,we have a few abnormal roads here in beautiful harrison county ,,i buckled and destroyed a reese hitch while stoppin at a bad creek crossin ,,should a just pulled the 800 case off the trailer because the feild was rite there in the bottom ,, another time buddy had a ford diesel automatic pulling a full loaded trailer,, the hitch bolts pulled thru the frame when he hit a few chuck holes , we chained it up and limped to whre we needed to go ,, lucky for us it we alwayshadtroubleat the end of our destination

DeltaRed · Jan 14, 2012

It can be done-I've done it,but it's not safe or recomended.As mentioned,brakes,axles,springs,drivetrain,etc. are issues.One thing not mentioned is tires.6 ply tires will not carry that load-they go BOOM!Go with ninimum a 3/4ton with 8/10 ply tires,better still a one ton dually.that you can haul those tractors and bigger with ease-NO worries

farmer boy · Jan 14, 2012

If your trying to decide which one to get, get the 2500. Same engine, so near same mileage and it shouldn't be a whole lot more money. I'm not sure the trailer is up for it unless it weighs 1500lb or 14000lb is acutal 'payload' and not gvwr

donjr · Jan 14, 2012

Hey Red, Has that rig ever seen a hill?

Rick Kr · Jan 14, 2012

Can you yes. How long? Depends. 12.5K plus the trailer. You're looking at smoking the rear end or the transmission. You would be severely overloaded. Not to mention the danger you pose to everyone on the road.

I pull 12-13K on a 1 ton SRW and it is more than enough. You need to go to a 3/4 or 1 ton. Some 3/4 tons will not handle the weight you are thinking abour.

Rick

ejr-IA. · Jan 14, 2012

Gordy from Iowa where is your town and county?Also j hikwmper you stated Harrison Co. what state.Im from Harrison Co. Iowa.I use a 2500 dodge cummins for pulling my gooseneck trailer with a 12 ton plate.

Dblair · Jan 14, 2012

I pull 2 a lot with my cummins dodge 3500 , it's a lot of load , trailer and tractors 18,000, truck 7500 . a lot of load

gordy from Iowa · Jan 14, 2012

Black Hawk county -- NE Iowa

newfarmer9 · Jan 14, 2012

In short, HECK NO! You might be able to get that load rolling but the strain on a 1/2 ton is going to be tremendous and control and stopping will be a serious problem. Go to a 3/4 ton, or even better a 1 ton dually.

oldtanker · Jan 14, 2012

Forget the truck, think about the liablility issues if something goes wrong. Plus about everyone you are endangering with that much of an over load.

Rick

Ken Macfarlane · Jan 14, 2012

Too much tongue weight for a 1/2 ton. One of the max tow Ford's rated at 11300 lbs would be closer but even then they are maxed out at that.

A modern 3/4 or 1 ton would be ok.

john in la · Jan 15, 2012

You not only need a bigger truck; You need a bigger trailer also.

Trailer GVWR is 14,000 lbs and load is 12,500 lbs.
14,000 - 12,500 = 1500 lbs
I would think that trailer weighs over 1500 lbs empty.

MFPoor · Jan 15, 2012

Can you pull it? Maybe. For a while....until things start breaking. Can you do so safely. Absolutely NOT. Can you do so legally? Absolutely positively not. Can you stop it in a panic situation? Most likely not.

It would be quicker to just walk up to a DOT cop and punch him in the gut. Results wouldn't be much different in the long run.

oldtanker · Jan 15, 2012

And the best answer is (drum roll) MFpoor's....LOL!!!!

Rick

Oldmax · Jan 15, 2012

That would be a max losd for a 3/4 ton. My K-2500 is only rated for 9400 lb pull. would recomend at least a 1 ton for that job.

Mike (WA) · Jan 15, 2012

The voiding of the warranty will be especially troublesome in this case, because things will start breaking with alarming frequency.

I wouldn't touch that with anything less than a 1 ton.

Goose · Jan 15, 2012

I wouldn't try it. Just looking at the numbers should be your answer.

I'm sure I've said this before on this forum, when I was in sales at a GM dealer, the most consistent mistake I saw buyers make was underestimating the capacity they needed in a pickup.

Then when I'd try to steer them to a pickup with more capacity, they'd think I was just trying to make more money off of them.

Then when they'd insist on buying a pickup that wasn't up to the job, they'd blame the pickup.

I guess it's human nature, or something.

to_many_irons · Jan 15, 2012

don,t forget some of the load would be on the truck .
but you would be at the max .
bigger truck it would haul easer .
bigger truck more BRAKES very importment .bigger springs bigger sway bars .
you can probelly get a 3 ton for a small price .

oldtanker · Jan 16, 2012

The warrenty is pretty plain....About 12 years ago while working a shop a customer who used us for all of his services got a new 1/2 ton PU in May...then went and had a plow mounted....about a month later he takes the truck back to the dealer for an issue (like Aug)....they tell him sorry you voided the warrenty by installing a plow.

Also SIL works for a dealership, they jumped Dodge cause of the company not wanting to honer warranties expressed or implied, mileage may vary.......

Rick

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