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What do you do when the power goes out?

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Super Steve

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Well we just had a 3 hour power outage here and it got me to thinking, what do other people do when the power is out?

My parents and my girlfriend and i sat around with a yup or tea/hot chocolate and talked in the dark for a while, then lit some tea lights and played some cards.

So what do you do?
 
In about less than 10 seconds our standby generator kicks in and we continue normal activites.. Best mone I ever spent in my life.
Have a 1000 gal LPG tank that was already hooked to the house for ventless fireplace so we just taped to it. 15kw Generac does the job. Had lots of ice last winter and we are in remote Tenn.
Lost power for 3 days one time. No generator problems.
 
I have a gas heater in the basement that doesn't need electricity, turn that bad boy up so we'll be warm, we have an assortment of electric and gas lamps we use for camping that come out, battery powered radios (again the camping thing) and laptop computers, camping stoves and the propane grill for cooking. After that it's playing cards, reading or board games. Although what I can't figure why in boonies of the Wisconsin Northwoods we have had less power outages in five years that we'd have in a month when we lived in Tampa Florida.
 
Steve.......since I am a bachelor, I ain't gott nobody to snuggle with unless ittz so cold I let my Australian Shepherd jump on the bed. Ittza gotta be a 2-dog nite.

As I have a "heat-pump", iff'n it gitts too cold, I head fer town and restaurant kauphy or maybe a movie. .......Dell
 
I only have a 2200w gen. right now, so usually use it to keep the fridge and freezer going. We alternate them in the summer if needed, and in winter if it"s cold enough I don"t have to worry about the freezer as it"s in the garage. We were out for 3 days last winter so we alternated the freezer and a heater. We have a fireplace so we got heat from that. And we"d take turns charging the phones and laptops. Made it through okay, but one day I"ll get a bigger genset. We do a lot of reading and family time though, so it"s not too bad.
 
Go into standby mode for a couple hours. Candles, coleman lanterns, where necessary. Try to determine how widespread the outage, and how long before it will be restored. Power company usually no help here - end up talking to computer. If more than a 3 or 4 hour wait, or if I can't determine, I drag out the generator, disconnect from commercial power, and power up with generator. Try to maintain basic services, heat, water, refrigeration as necessary. Disconnect all but essential things. Run till power restored - hope they restore before my stock of fuel used up. Running a generator ain't cheap!
 
Go into standby mode for a couple hours. Candles, coleman lanterns, where necessary. Try to determine how widespread the outage, and how long before it will be restored. Power company usually no help here - end up talking to computer. If more than a 3 or 4 hour wait, or if I can't determine, I drag out the generator, disconnect from commercial power, and power up with generator. Try to maintain basic services, heat, water, refrigeration as necessary. Disconnect all but essential things. Run till power restored - hope they restore before my stock of fuel used up. Running a generator ain't cheap!
 
I've got my fuse box wired with one of those generator switch over panels. Pull the generator up from the shop, crank it up, plug it in, and I've got all my 110 stuff. Got the same thing in the shop, only thats home made, set the smaller generator outside and it runs the furnace fan as well as two strings of lights, and one string of plugins.
 
Well depends on the time of year and for how long. In 2007 we did not have power for days and did what we could to stay warm and alive as in rigged up heat and all and got buy reading books etc. Now days it is sad that we have learned that to live with out power is bad but hey it can be done and at times think it might be better if we did not have it as much as we do
 
I just wait a few seconds for the 16kw genset to fire up. I'm away from the house a lot, and the wife didn't want to drag the portable out if I wasn't there, so about 5 years ago, I got the stationary one. Best money I ever spent. Only cost $1600 when I bought it, and I sold the portable for $1000. An electrician friend and I installed it, and my problems were over. That reminds me- I really should change the oil before it gets too cold...
 
Wait a few hours, or until I get an estimated time of recovery from Consumers. Then fire up the generator, plug in refrig & freezer(& furnace in winter) bring some gas up from the barn and wait. Battery radio and propane lights as well. We're kind of used to it.
 
We put in a generator that automatically comes on when the electric goes off.Have a 500 gallon propane tank to supply it.
 
I pull out my Honda em 5000 sx generator, hook up to the gen tran switch,and live just like the power was on.
 
After a hour or so I drag out the generator, a 5000 watt 10 hp. I have a heat pump, I have never tried to run it. Turn thermostat to emergency and run on LP. The generator will run everything within reason. We also have a wood stove in the basement, hooked to the duck-work. Vic
 
We don't have a generator-yet. Our house is heated with two gas heaters so our personal heat isn't a problem. The well for our place is across the road where my son lives and he has a generator so the water problem is solved that way and the water heater is gas. The one shop does have a water heater and pressure washer so if the juice is off for more than a couple of days during cold weather I'll have to drain them or get anti-freeze in them. We haven't lost juice for more than a few hours for many, many years but our luck will run out sometime. I do have an old Winco 15KW PTO generator that is missing an idler gear in the gearbox and it's no longer available. I haven't searched for a used one but someday I'll wish I would have. Jim
 
I'm sure I'm jinxing myself, but I don't recall the power being off more than 90 minutes since the mid 1970's, the local REA is a pretty good outfit. Back then was a 2 day blizzard, with freezing ice first, and snow drifts like we haven't seen since. Back then the folks stoked up the wood gravity feed furnace here in Minnesota - didn't have any other heat so was just normal - and we were real careful on water use so the water in the gravity feed cistern lasted for watering the cattle for a few days. On the 3rd day it was nice enough, they sent a few snowmobiles around to check out how people were doing, I think my folks kinda confused them, we were doing the same as always except getting chores and supper done before dark - meals were simpler things on the kerosene stove in the basement, and missing the TV news.....

So, we had heat, had warm food, had water, so they could go on their way.

I got a small Honda generator last winter since the wood furnace busted, figured I was pushing my luck with no backup...

--->Paul
 
We have a 20K genny. Haven't had it hooked up for years. When dad was alive every fall we would make sure it worked and dad would always want to have things hooked up if there was even a hint of a ice storm.

I would guess at about 1 to 2 hours I would start making motions to hook things up. Started to do that last winter and part way through the process the power came on.

Reminds me to check out the genny tomm.
 
Start up the generator.If cable is out usually work on a jigsaw puzzle,read and listen to the radio.

Vito
 
I keep our motor home in a ready in a minute condition for a trip so that is where we head to.110 Gal Gasoline for the genset on hand so fire it up.Neighbors hear it running so usually a crowd comes over and we have a cook out ,full propane tank and full water tank.Shower and stool available for use.Bring eats and goodies out from the house. Fire up the barbie[LP]or charcoal,and life goes on. Power usually comes back on in an hour or so,no big deal,we are used to it going off for no apparent reason.Dish TV keeps us entertained. We are used to living in the motor home for extended times so in an electrical emergency[not really an emergency but mostly an inconvienence] so its no big deal.I can hook the main panel on the house up to the generator if i had too,have never felt the need too but that is an option if neccessary.
 
We heat our house with a wood stove only so it's only a problem in summer for air conditioning. We also keep coal oil lamps for emergency light and a camp stove to heat food with. I bought a small electric generator but my wife didn't like the noise so it didn't get used.
 
We have a freestanding gas stove that works without electricity. It will heat most of the house reasonable. I have about a dozen coal oil lamps for light. The kitchen stove (stovetop) works without power but obviously the igniters don't work so I have to light them with a match (major inconvenience). Listen to a battery powered radio and play board games. Nothing really exciting but not too bad either. A few years ago had a storm come through went through the night and power came back on. The next afternoon the kids asked if we could turn all of the lights,tv and everything off and do it again.

Steven
 
I start the generator. It's just big enough to keep the fridge, freezer, furnace, TV, and a couple lights on. I keep telling the wife a stove would be cheap heat, but she doesn't like not having a thermostat she can control...
 
Wood stove heats the house pretty well. 2000 watt Honda quiet generator to keep refer and freezer cold. Well pressure tank is up the hill from the house, so have water for awhile. Coleman camp stove for cooking. Dip buckets of water from the creek for toilet. Pond and creek to water the livestock. Kerosene lanterns and candles for light. Read a book, go to bed, usually on by morning.
 
We had several power outages a few years back. The longest was an Ice storm and we did not have power for four days. It was right in the middle of some real nasty cold weather. I had a PTO powered generator and we where much better off than many neighbors. I did not like the tractor running 24-7 and the fuel cost. So the next summer I bought a stand alone generator. It is a 40kw Cummins/Onan generator. It has less than fifty hours of usage. That is including the monthly startups. I still am glad to have it. It just takes the worry off of one less thing to go wrong. It will run everything here on the farm including the silo unloaders.
 
I have an old matag that i fixed with a couple of 63 one wire alternators hooked to a deep cycle batery and an inverter. the matage runs like a top and is enough to keep the frig and the freser going, as for heat and cooking i have an old half electric half wood powered stove, the wood part hardly evergets used but is still a nice thing to have
 
Former sheriff deputy, so have some instincts that won't go away. Have small 4kw genset if needed, part of house wired through transfer switch, so have water, refrig & a few lights avail. Cordless phones need power, so keep one hard wired phone.
When it suddenly gets dark it is usually a tree in a summer storm, occasionally an errant driver takes out a power pole.
My routine- call power company, computer voice confirms outage by tracing phone number. Get dressed, check out the lines between home & substation in town. If i find the obvious, call again& update info, call SWMBO with new info, wait for crew to come from about 20 miles away. If it looks like going to be out more than couple hours, go back home & start genset. If a car/pole incident, call sheriff & rescue if needed.
Longest outage the 10 years i have been here was 12 hours, car took out pole about 1/2 mile away, high voltage lines down.
WJ
 
Stoke up the wood stove, fire up the generator and get on with life.

Entertainment-wise, read instead of surfing. I'm usually in bed by 8:00, so unless it's an extended outage, it's not a big deal.
 
Generator goes on automatically after 13 seconds.Wired in to transfer box. Covers the whole house. Generac 17,000. Big wood furnace, gas cookstove. A country boy can survive. Happy New Year from Sheffield, Vermont.
 
Call the power company, register the outage, sometimes we get a restoration time. If it goes more than 1/2 hour, I fire up the genset, a 15kw Generac. I generally run it for a few hours, until bedtime, then shut it off until the am. It's hooked up to a 500 gal propane tank.
 
I can heat the house. But my biggest worry is water. If the power were off for an extended time (like it was after the ice storm in April of 94) I'd have to either haul water or move the cows. I don't have a genny big enough to run the pump and if everybody's power was off I would not be able to borrow one.
 
The decision to buy the dedicated generator rather than use the tractor and pto genset puzzles me. I haven't had a 4 day outage so I'm not coming at the topic from the same perspective, but do you think in the long run that the 40kw Cummins extra purchase will justify itself?
Once we move to the other place, I was thinking of investing in a pto genset, but maybe the other option is better?

thanks
Jay
 
Think how much fuel you're using to generate all that power to run a little generator and consider the cost of rebuilding the tractor.
I'm building a home on the farm have already installed the transfer switch, the generator will be 20KW which needs a 15 or 20 horsepower engine.
BTW 20KW is really only 17KW; the manufacturers inflate their ratings dramaticly. Look at the specs and do the math.
 
i have a miller bobcat welder/generator mounted on a small trailor i move around as needed it has a 10'000 watt gen on it.i have the power supply cord rolled up near side of the house like you would roll up a garden hose i then just unroll it to where the gen is setting (on outside of yard fence)i think it uses about a gallon an hour of gas.
RICK
 
I do nothing. All my power automatically reverts to a battery bank/twin inverters that can run my house for three days with no grid power or sunlight. After that (if it ever happened) I've got 5400 watts in solar panels, several diesel generators and 1000 gallons of diesel fuel.

Before I had this system, I hooked my tractor to a 17KW PTO generator and did fine.

I'll never understand people who live in cold areas and need electricity for heat and water . . . that have money to blow on other things but do nothing to prepare for power or food outages. Even worse with farmers and 60 cows to milk and no backup power which is cruel to the animals. Most farmers however DO have backup power. And the Amish have extra people to help as "backup."
 
A couple years ago it was about -15F outside and I no more than turned on the coffee and the power went out (2:30a.m.) My barn is open on one end and I rely on heat tapes to keep the water from freezing. With no tractors plugged in the only one I tried was the 1650 gasser. You can't see in the pic but the vapor coming out the exhaust was going up about 20-30 ft. kind of a neat site to see. I ran the generator 6 hrs. that morning, I'm sure some pipes would broken if not for the generator.
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First I wait 5 minutes to see what will happen. Half the time it comes back on. If not I hook the JD 4840 to the 125 kw generator. Runs the farm and 2 houses. After hurricane Irene this fall It ran for 130 hours. That old Deere running at pto rpm for over 5 days can really burn some diesel fuel. But with 690 dairy cows depending on it you do what you have to.
 
Get the small 2000 watt honda out to run coffee pot, light, tv, microwave, and electric fencer. I have a 4000 watt to hook in and back feed the system if needed to run furnace and well pump or anything else. I think I've only had to do that once since Y2K when I set the system up. I have been lucky. I just get the bigger generator out a couple times a year and run it for a while. The little one I keep in the back of my pickup and use quite a bit.
 
I've got a similar arrangement for back up power, solar panel to battery bank. Well, they need to finish it up, inverter, whatever else goes on the wall, then the wiring terminations/connections, panel, batteries etc. Supposed to last a week, though with a few restrictions, like A/C, washer/dryer or electric stove. How do you like the solar power for back up, performance wise, any problems. Installer states that the batteries could last indefinitely, as long as you stay within the charge discharge cycles. Those darned things are really heavy, blow out a knee or back handling these LOL !

In addition to that my welder a Miller NT 251 trailblazer/bobcat series, has 8500 watts continuous with 110 and 240, would handle any of the extras if really needed.

I would tend to agree with you on back up power and livestock, I do know what it is like to cart water by hand from the nearest source for 20 + horses, can't recall how many that time, it was just a real time consuming pain, now just wire the pump, welder or similar, smart to have back up on power even if just the minimum, having nothing really increases your risks, and chance of loss, with the money that goes into these hayburners, you have to prioritize, back up power is a priority,
 
To each his own, but I'd much rather have a PTO generator. One less engine to maintain, and portable... If you have a tractor that is big enough to handle the generator at full load, but not way bigger than needed, fuel usage will be similar to a dedicated unit. There will be some losses in the tractor's transmission/pto and the generator's gearbox, but not a great amount. Buying a PTO unit is cheaper than a stand-alone, IF you already have the tractor to run it. I had to run my 40KW Katolight for 3 or 4 days after a tornado went through the area 8 summers ago. Only shut down to refuel the tractor. Don't remember if it was 3 or 4 days, but do remember that it was 8 years ago, as my wife and I were dating at the time. Power went out half-way through a movie we were watching. When she went home, she had to take a back roads detour to avoid going through town, as ALL streets were blocked.
 
Call-in the outage. Light some old oil lamps. Put sticky notes on all faucets and the loo... then use the cedar outhouse as needed! Get out the crank-powered radio and take turns cranking it up while listening to music and talking with the kiddles. Just enjoy the moments or hours of spending time with no distractions like TV, computers, video games... in a way that anyone seldom does anymore. Last summer it was a three hour stretch - and honestly it was fun, though we sure do like electricity!
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Start the generator. When other people gripe about no power I ask why don't they start their generator. When they sputter about no generator I ask their and their kids iphone 4S, the four wheeler, snowmobile, their vacations south, 2nd big screen TV etc.
 
Hook one of the little old tractors to the PTO alternator, and power up. If I need to run more than the household, I get out a bigger tractor.
 
"the loo"

Just curious SF - are you in Australia?

NICE "loo", by the way.

Back to the subject, when the power goes out, we don't do anything until it's needed. If it's winter, heat is necessary so I fire up the genny pretty quick. In the summer I monitor the freezer temps and fire up the genny as needed. Fuel storage is the issue. I keep around 70 - 100 gallons of treated gasoline on hand, but I run the genny like the power will be out forever. Kerosene and propane lamps for lighting. We can live just fine without the TV and computer.
 
look out the windows to see if neighbors have lights call electric company. if they do then i get the flashlight go down to fuse box in basement check that out.
the last time we got out more lashlights and found some board games.
 
Big problem with dairy farms is milking when power is out. Not many farms with the man-power to milk-out 60 or more cows with no electricity and vacuum pumps. They can get sick pretty fast if not milked. The Amish in my area use diesel engines powering hydraulic motors to run their vacuum pumps for milking.

If the installer told you the batteries last forever with care -he's full of it. Some of the best are made in Canada by Rolls-Surette. With care they tend to last 10 years when not used heavy.

I've got twin Outback Inverters and had one problem so far. A thyristor burned out and I replaced it myself. Outback sent me the parts free but I had to do the work. To be technical, my system has a full 5 year warranty but the installer was not very skilled and I did not trust him to pull apart the inverter and fix it properly. So, I did it. When his crew first did the installation - I had to rewire some of it so it would pass inspection. They made many screw-ups.

Solar and battery backup has worked great for us. But, we do not use electric hot water heaters or clothes dryers. Biggest power draw is - 220 volt well pump, wood furnace blower motor, microwave oven, 42" TV, etc. We've been out three days already and had no problems. That was three days with NO sun, so we ran 100% off the batteries. My bank has 8 Rolls-Surette S-460 batteries. Not their best and not their cheapest either.

My battery bank is wired for 48 volts. So, I keep a 48 volt battery charger on hand just in case we do have a very long outage and I have to charge those batteries back up. I've got gas and diesel generators all over this place, so powering that battery charger would not be a problem.

If you are going to have a 24 or 48 volt battery bank, I suggest you buy yourself a charger. Not an easy item to find in a hurry. I've got two places on solar. One is 48 volts and the other is 24 volts. I have Iota chargers for both.

My inverter system is Outback 3048-2 power panel.

Controllers are two Outback MX-60s.
 
I really appreciate that information, I figured those batteries might be a little less short lived than stated, I'm not sure on the voltage, I'll check into that and without a doubt get a charger. I'm on a hill facing south, southwest, good place for solar, but we know how those periods of "gray days" can go this time of year. I'll speak with the installer when he comes back.

Would you happen to know, that if while charging those batteries, is there any conflict with open flame within proximity, they appear to be sealed, mine is in the same area as my wood stove. I did not believe this to be an issue, according to the installer.
 
If a lead acid battery is rated for example 100AH. To prevent rapid battery failure do not discharge more than 1/4 to 1/3 of the battery rated capacity . EG 25AH to 33AH.
 
Forgot to add.
We turn on every yard light and house light when on the generator. So the neighbours who are in the dark can see that we have power.
 
Seems odd that the installer is putting in sealed batteries. Are they AGMs? If so, they don't need venting and are not a flame hazard . . . but usually don't last near as long as conventional flooded-lead-acid batteries when used in deep-cycle battery banks. Many installers are pushing them because they get good deals and they ship cheaper then conventional lead-acid batteries. Also, NY if paying incentives requires a minimum of 5 year warrantees on everything - including the batteries.

Hope you don't have the same installers I had. Not from Burdett, NY, are they?

Maybe I'm' being too hard on them. My job was their first - I think. Also they'd never seen a solar grid-tie with battery-backup before. I HAD to hire a state-certified installer to qualify for the incentives. So I hired the "Upstate Energy" guys and worked with them - as a sort of sub-contractor on my own property. I fixed some of their goofs, did the excavating, etc.

In regard to gray days - we get many. We usually get 3 months a year when we make little to no power. But there are other months when we make more then twice what we use. Every year we've made more then we used.
 
Put more wood in the fireplace insert first (this time of year).

In the summer I don't worry, the power will be back soon.

No so true around here in the winter. We were without power for over a week a couple years ago when we still lived in the trailer. No heat, no water. Honda powered generator wouldn't start because recoil spring broke. No parts for 3 days.

Borrowed a generator from a co worker who still had power, but did end up with frozen pipes that took over a day to thaw after I fed power to the furnace and well. NOT at the meter, but direct from the breaker box past the breaker since my generator has it's breakers.

The longest I have been without power was 29 days starting on March 29, 1976. You had to really plan ahead, every power pole in a 30 mile radius was down. That was back in Nebraska.

Thank goodness we still had farm fuel tanks, so we had gas to run the motor to run the generator we bought the day the power went out when we saw how bad the damage was. DOUG
 
fire up the 806. Drag the pto generator outta the barn and hook it up. by then the 806 is starting to warm up. plug it in, spin her up, throw the double throw switch, get on with the day.
 
Our's was out for 4 days during the April tornado. I cooked on gas grill and used small 2 cycle generator to power coffee pot, TV and run frig to keep food from spoiling. Of course I had to only run one at a time.
 
Call to report and see how long they estimate for it to be out. If long enough to justify I fire up the generator and life goes own just like it did before the power left......
 
I am fully equipped with generators to run the house's electrical needs, and another to run the well for water. I could probably run 4-7 days with the Gens,..and I could surely survive for about a half year without electricity and no food available in the grocery stores. I also take full advantage of the second amendment.
 
Yes, 8 AGM batteries on this bank. Power Battery Company, Paterson NJ, could not get on their website, facebook link works, not sure whats up with the company and this

Warranty met the criteria for the NYS incentive.

Rodney Wiltshire from Troy, he's a newly elected councilman there, Empire Solar is the business he owns.

Sounds like yours produces excess, I don't have the specs on this set up, he's due back in this week to finish it up, I will have to take some photos, so far seems like everything is up to code, and the set up does not seem all too complicated.

Well at least you have a scrutinous eye overlooking the work, first install, and all, hard to say, but I know a bad contractor when I see one too. Highly appreciate the information you have shared on this.
Power Battery

Empire Solar Installer
 
The first thing I do is look at the smile on my wifes face, wait the allotted time, and hear her say "that generator is the best thing we've ever put money in" as the auto transfer switch transfers to the generator, the generator starts and stabilizes, and the lights and all come back on (about a minute or so). It's a 20 kW Seimens and an SE rated automatic transfer switch. We went through 12 days without power during an ice storm in January '07, again for 3 days in December '07, and 3 days in May '08 after a severe thunderstorm. Not to mention a dozen or so times it's been off for a while since it was installed as they make repairs to the grid from all the storms and tornado in Joplin. Every time it's been off since, I've been able to use my tractor to drag limbs away, haul firewood, or anything I need to. No worrying about being gone, the power going off and 2 deep freezes thawing out. Total electric houses suck without total electric. :D Yearly maintenance on the generator amounts to a 20 minute oil change. If I hear the weather radio say "historic and catastrophic ice storm immenent", like I did in '07, I know we're as prepared as we can be. The generator can run for about 9 days continuous on a full tank of LP at half load. I like Detmurds philosophy, too. Mark
 
We have a 5000W Gen we hook up to our breaker box. It powers all the 110s and one 220 at a time. We have wood heat, so it works out OK for us.

Beyond that, we just huddle around the wood stove. drink toddies and watch old DVDs. Kind of like power outs actually.
 
Yes . . . every installer that gave me install quotes was pushing the Power Battery AGMs. I refused them.

I'm not saying they are necessarily bad batteries. What I am saying it they have a worse track record then cheaper conventional flooded lead-acid batteries. They don't last as long and cost more. The AGMs are intolerant to slight "mishaps" with charging and discharging. The advantages are - cheaper shipping since they are sealed, do not need venting because they are sealed, and the makers give better markup and incentives to installers.

In your situation - since your batteries are for backup only - having AGMs probably won't matter much one way or the other. If you were off-grid and used them on a daily basis - I'd tell you it's a waste of money to have them.

Your installer must be relatively new. Back maybe four years ago when I put in my system, I had a list of every certified installer in NY. He is not on that list.

Since I know nothing about your installer, I can't comment. He might be a real good guy.

Note though that when I had my system all planned out - I had 8 different companies come here to give me install quotes. All 8 were wrong on many issues - especially how many panels I needed. NY is full of micro-climates and just 10 miles one way or the other can make a difference in yearly sunlight. I've been here 35 years and have paid attention. NY incentives want you to install a system that can produce 110% of your annual usage. I figured I needed 5400 watts of panels. All 8 installers insisted on 3400 watts and I told them to get lost. That's when I found the new installers from Burdett and convinced them to do it with my plan. Well ?? Four years now and it's been 110% every year. My figures were dead-on and the 8 "Pro" installers were all wrong. I also bought my own panels and did not let the installers get a huge mark-up on them. That is also not easy to do with some installers. I figured with some of the quotes I got - they were figuring a labor rate of $200 an hour per person and 30% markup on components.

By the way, when I did mine I had to design my own battery backup system. It was uncommon then. Many if not most installers only want to install pre-engineered kits shipped from Sun-Wize in Kingston. I suspect maybe now that has changed?
 
I got looking through the list of all the installer for his area of NY in 2007. I don't see your guy there so I assume he's new to the business or new to this area?

I'm curious what you are paying per watt for your panels now? They ought to be less then 1/3 of what mine cost. I used Sharp 200 watt panels and I got them for $4 per watt four years ago. Many installers wanted over $6 per watt. Today I can buy them for $1.50 per watt. They've really come way down in price.

http://www.sunelec.com/solar-panels-c-5.html?zenid=d45dcd1412c8672951a2f6379a12e981

Here's my 2007 list of installers:

Jeff Irish Hudson Valley Clean Energy, Inc.
5 Bollenbecker Road
Rhinebeck, NY 12572
Phone: 845-876-3767 [email protected]

Paul Myers
Upstate Energy Solutions, LLC
4316 State Route 414
Burdett, NY 14818
Phone: 607-229-4176 [email protected]

Kevin Rose
Renewable Power Systems, LLC
P.O. Box 967
Averill Park, NY 12018
Phone: 518-674-5808 [email protected]

Christopher Watrous
Upstate Energy Solutions, LLC
4316 State Route 414
Burdett, NY 14818
Phone: 607-229-4178 [email protected]

Art Weaver
Renovus Energy, Inc.
102 Cherry Street
Ithaca, NY 14850
Phone: 607-277-1777 [email protected]

Jeff Wolfe
groSolar
10 Hermes Road
Malta, NY 12020
Phone: 800-374-4494 x113 [email protected]

Larry Brown
Sun Mountain
PO Box 1364
Olivebridge, NY 12461
Phone: 845-657-8096 [email protected]

Rob Garrity
Performance Systems Contracting, Inc.
124 Brindley Street
Ithaca, NY 14850
Phone: 607-277-1472 Ext. 206
Fax: 607-277-6224 [email protected]

Ed Knott
Bannertown Power and Light
P.O. Box 92
Mayfield, NY 12117
Phone: 518-667-5445 [email protected]

Christopher Moustakis
Solar Energy Systems, LLC.
11 Sunset Drive
Cornwall, NY 12518
Phone: 845-725-7661 [email protected]

Mark Smith
Prime Energy Solutions, Inc.
3530 Route 34B
Scipio Center, NY 13147
Phone: 315-364-5270
Fax: 315-364-6770 [email protected]
1-866-893-5606


Brian Wiley
Wiley Electronics, LLC
52 Old Farm Road
Shokan, NY 12481
Phone: 845-247-2875 [email protected]

John Wright
Hudson Valley Clean Energy, Inc.
24 Closs Drive
Rhinebeck, NY 12572
Phone: 845-876-3767
Fax: 845-876-3912 [email protected]
 
SHMBO directs me on the need to get the tv going since it is more important than keeping the fridge up.....have propane heat and fireplace as a backup....couple of different generators propane and gas---have been building a wood gas generator just for fun. but if her shows aren't on then we go over to her parents place and play dominoes and cards
 
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