A joke which high-lites a moral

Highway Patrol officer approches the driver of a vehicle he just pulled over. Officer slaps the driver's head and said "let's see your license and insurance card". Officer calls in the license,returns to the car and slaps the driver again and says "here's your ticket,sign it". After taking the signed ticket and giving the driver his copy,officer slaps him a third time and says"slow it down and don't pull away yet". Officer walked around the car and told the passerger to roll his window down. Officer slaps the passenger and told him "just so you don't wait until a mile down the road and say I dare that %*#^ob@!* to hit me like that.
The moral has to do with speaking directly to those we wish to discredit or belittle instead talking around to draw inferences.
I began hunting as a child and still do as often as a friend or family member will go with me. From my experience,land owners come in about the same flavors as the general population. Some good,some not so good and others that seem to work tirelessly at being downright impossiable. I have never felt the need to put age groups professions,regional residence,hobbys and such in a piticular catagory,especialy idiots.
However,like most everyone,I am willing to state my opinions.
I have known some pretty tough men including military special forces and law enforcment. I don't believe any of them would confront multiple armed,drunken or mentaly unstable(idiots) parties alone if they had the option of calling reinforcement or a third party(police). I wouldn't call anyone idiot for wading in on a situation like that instead of calling the police but I would certainly question the wisdom.
I am offended by being grouped based on my choice of recreation wherther it be hunting or fixing a tractor that will never return the investment simply because modern machines in my barn make it obsolete.

Good point! Well stated.

" fixing a tractor that will never return the investment simply because modern machines in my barn make it obsolete."

You know the same business rules that apply to any other field, apply to tractors? By limiting expenses, older tractors can return a reasonable investment. Sometimes instead of replacing everything that would be swapped out if it were your truck, some expense can be saved by repairing the components. I tell my wife that it isn't always profitable to paint a tractor. If the goal is to earn money, keeping expenses low is the key. I don't want to raise concerns about the quality of work, but, if a started can be repaired with new brushes, as opposed to replacing the starter, we got to do what we got to do. I'm just starting out, and I have to watch the cost, but, a reasonable return is something within reach.

What??

He's basically saying that it's easy for everyone on here to 'talk $hit', when they are behind a computer screen, especially when it comes to things like what they/someone else would/should do when confronted with a group of armed idiots/hunters/etc, etc, etc. In other words it's alot easier to 'put up' than to 'shut up' when your being an armchair quarterback than when your actually there facing the situation firsthand.

Too he's also saying that just because there are a small group of hunters that are idiots and hard to deal with, and as a result cause problems for everyone, that there are an equally numerous group of landowners that are also idiots, hard to deal with and alos cause problems for everyone else.... And he doesn't appreciate being grouped in with any of the idiots as is being done in the discussions below where all hunters in general, other than the person doing the writing (and those that are related/family) are done.

Make sense now?

The Fordson I fixed will return the investment because it is the workhorse and not some newer one which is unnecessarily expensive.I don't wish to give the Bank Manager HBP. It maybe slower but it makes you smell the roses.

Ya know, not to mention any names, like Lyle's, but there have been guys chased off this forum for coming up with things 100 times more sensible than what you just typed out here.
Second. You a land owner?
Third, ever hear of 'buck fever'?
forth. When when danger is seconds away, the police are only minutes away.
Fifth. post sounds like a guilt complex.
sixth. The joke wasn't funny, interesting or thought provoking.

hate to say it but when I heard that the first time in it's original telling it was funny....

Rick

Wayne, you realize of course that you just permanently labeled yourself a "troublemaker" on these boards...don't you?

Much easier to let 'em believe that all hunters are idiots and jerks, all landowners are saints, and let it go as it was.

I've owned land. I've been a hunter. I've had to deal with idiot neighbors who were landowners as well as idiot hunters.

BUT for gosh sakes, let 'em have their fantasies. I can remember during the Reagan years when having "hope" wasn't ridiculed as it is today, either. Today having hope is considered foolish, and means that, no matter WHO you voted for, you're on the wrong side of the argument. So just let it go, and as the old folks used to say, "don't borry trouble." It's very important to these folks to be "right," so tell 'em they're right and then keep on walkin'.

It'll save a lot of bickerin' on these boards.

(quoted from post at 20:19:14 12/04/11) Highway Patrol officer approches the driver of a vehicle he just pulled over. Officer slaps the driver's head and said "let's see your license and insurance card". Officer calls in the license,returns to the car and slaps the driver again and says "here's your ticket,sign it". After taking the signed ticket and giving the driver his copy,officer slaps him a third time and says"slow it down and don't pull away yet". Officer walked around the car and told the passerger to roll his window down. Officer slaps the passenger and told him "just so you don't wait until a mile down the road and say I dare that %*#^ob@!* to hit me like that.
The moral has to do with speaking directly to those we wish to discredit or belittle instead talking around to draw inferences.
[b:cf21f58c25]I began hunting as a child and still do as often as a friend or family member will go with me. From my experience,land owners come in about the same flavors as the general population. Some good,some not so good and others that seem to work tirelessly at being downright impossiable. [/b:cf21f58c25]I have never felt the need to put age groups professions,regional residence,hobbys and such in a piticular catagory,especialy idiots.
However,like most everyone,I am willing to state my opinions.
I have known some pretty tough men including military special forces and law enforcment. I don't believe any of them would confront multiple armed,drunken or mentaly unstable(idiots) parties alone if they had the option of calling reinforcement or a third party(police). I wouldn't call anyone idiot for wading in on a situation like that instead of calling the police but I would certainly question the wisdom.
I am offended by being grouped based on my choice of recreation wherther it be hunting or fixing a tractor that will never return the investment simply because modern machines in my barn make it obsolete.

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say,if you want to hunt!...buy your own land.

You know I've been on these boards for about 10 years, give or take, and I've never knowingly been, nor do I consider myself a trouble maker. At the same time I've never been the kind to just stand back and keep my mouth shut because I was afraid of 'starting' trouble by stating the obvious. If someone gets offended because they are wrong and are called on it, or for any other reason for that matter, I only have one suggestion for them.........'Put on your big boy briches and deal with it..........'.....If they are offended by that then they are obviously very thin skinned and need to grow up and realize that EVERYONE on this world has their own thoughs and opinions on EVERYTHING. Too, at least as far as opinions go, they are all like a$$holes. Someone thinks everyone elses' stinks and their's is the only one that doesn't.....

All that said I just love these boards because it just reinforces the old saying that it takes all kinds to make the world go round and over the years I have seen all kinds of people and personalities present on here.

Ultimately, the way I see it, as long as a man has the guts to stand up for what he feels and thinks is right, and at the same time to be man enough to admit when he is wrong, then he has my respect. This respect given regardless of his views on anything wether I share them or not. In that case I'm man enough to simply agree to disagree.

If any of that makes me a troublemaker then it'll be a moniker I assume with pride...........

Now,I'm not accusing you of BEING a troublemaker, y'understand; it's just that I've found that, if I have an opinion that is not in line with "prevailing" opinions here, it's best not to even post unless you wanna be labeled a malcontent, or a troublemaker, or something of that nature.

So while my post was made with tongue planted in cheek...if only slightly...I know whereof I speak.

(quoted from post at 22:42:26 12/04/11) You know I've been on these boards for about 10 years, give or take, and I've never knowingly been, nor do I consider myself a trouble maker. At the same time I've never been the kind to just stand back and keep my mouth shut because I was afraid of 'starting' trouble by stating the obvious. If someone gets offended because they are wrong and are called on it, or for any other reason for that matter, I only have one suggestion for them.........'Put on your big boy briches and deal with it..........'.....If they are offended by that then they are obviously very thin skinned and need to grow up and realize that EVERYONE on this world has their own thoughs and opinions on EVERYTHING. Too, at least as far as opinions go, they are all like a$$holes. Someone thinks everyone elses' stinks and their's is the only one that doesn't.....

All that said I just love these boards because it just reinforces the old saying that it takes all kinds to make the world go round and over the years I have seen all kinds of people and personalities present on here.

Ultimately, the way I see it, as long as a man has the guts to stand up for what he feels and thinks is right, and at the same time to be man enough to admit when he is wrong, then he has my respect. This respect given regardless of his views on anything wether I share them or not. In that case I'm man enough to simply agree to disagree.

If any of that makes me a troublemaker then it'll be a moniker I assume with pride...........

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Wayne, I see nothing offensive in you post. I see it as only a statement of human behavior that we all have seen. and which we probably all exhibit at varying degrees.

The big difference is the landowner doesn't go to a hunter's house or property and start telling them what they're going to do on their property.Like I told some surburban types that had pulled onto my property and were messing around, How would they like it if I drove all over their yard and then started working on my truck in their driveway.I respect other people's property and expect them to do the same to mine.

I get exactly what you are saying, and I realize by the way your post was written that it was a tongue in cheak comment. Still I've never been one to think or act a certain way just because someone else expects me too, and don't plan to ever be that way. To me that way of thinking or acting denotes a man with a character that's too weak to be 'his own man'. I say this because to act that way he must feel the need to rely on someone else to 'know how to think and feel' rather than to have the cajones to do it for himself. To me it's like watching all of these public figures nowdays that say something non PC and then jump through hoops a few days later apoligizing if they happened to offend someone. In most cases I lose all respect for someone that doesn't have the guts to speak their mind and stand behind what they say regardless of how others feel about it. Last I heard we lived in a country where we have the freedoms to think and feel any way we want, and the right to express those feelings. Heck at a time when Dec 7, and the memories of what this country went through when attacked and went to war for a number of years against an oppressive regime, is so close at hand that point ought to be driven home better than at any other time of the year.

Soooo, no offense taken at your comment.....but I still stand behind everything I said wether anyone likes it or not. Heck I'm a landowner myself, though I don't have as many acres as some of these guys have, and I gladdly let my neighbors hunt on my property. For that matter since NC doesn't allow ground hunting with a rifle I even allow them to sit on the roof of my shed in lieu of putting up a stand since there aren't that many trees really suitable for one. Too, like one post below stated when I hunted years ago you just hit the woods and hunted. Back then it was pretty much understood that if the land wasn't posted then it was OK to hunt as long as you respected the owners fences, crops, livestock, etc, etc. In nearly 20 years in the woods I never had a problem with anyone. Nowdays it's nearly impossible to find anywhere to hunt as everyone is too worried about lawsuits, or leasing the land exclusively to a hunter/hunting group in order to turn a profit. But, it's their land and as such, their right to do whaever they please with it.... I can't fault a man for covering his butt or making a dime any way he can...especially in the current economy...

In the end one thing this whole hunter/landowner discussion brings to light is that the old saying about "one bad apple spoils the 'whatever'" is still as true to today as it was when the saying got started long ago.

Those people who have purchased and now own real estate did not buy it for the pleasure of others to have a place to hunt, fish, ride four wheelers, or whatever else. Those who think that property owners are obligated to entertain those who don't have property, should get them a different train of thought. I never saw or have known of those who feel like property owners owe them these rights show up to help with the chores!!!'

I hunt, almost every day during pheasant season. I enjoy the walk and being outdoors. I do not own any land. I hunt DNR land and the old farm place I was raised at, plus friends that are farmers and I work on their equipment. Many, many times I see birds on land I do not have permission to hunt on. I just enjoy the sight of the birds then. Far be it for me to walk onto a grass land, slough or field and get my hind end chewed on. Most people know me and I am sure they would just say, oh it's you Pete but some would not. Like I said before, I used to have a NO HUNTING SIGN in my tool box, that brought a few strange looks. Well, it was MY property. If they asked I always said, sure, use a tool. Once in a great while I would ask if they cared if I hunted on their land. I try to give out good sound advice on this forum, no charge, because I enjoy and appreciate some one can make use of any knowledge I have acquired over the years. I have seen some hunters who do not respect other peoples property, but in all honesty, the biggest offenders around here are actually farmers them selves who drive all over heck in the fields with their pickups, straffing the sloughs etc when they are on their deer or coyote hunts. Makes a guy kind of leary out there pheasant hunting. I walk from the roads to my destination and at 75 think some of them could use a little extra walking themselves. This kind of crap on here upsets me.

I'm with you Pete,birds are to me what horses where to Will Rogers. When I interduced my son to the sport I told him bird hunting has very little in common with stuff in magizines about how many or how big you bring home. My son, grandsons and me will sometimes fail to fire as the birds get up. "Why didn't you shoot"? "I was watching the dogs and was disapointed when when they flew"or something to that effect might be the response. Try explaining that to someone who asks "how many did you kill today?"