o/t '02 F250 powerstroke

johndeereman · Nov 19, 2011

My 250 powerstroke is not getting fuel into the fuel filter. Anybody have a clue what might be causing this? Heres what happened, truck started and did not get oil pressure quick enough so it shut down. I tried to restart but starter decided it didnt even want to try. So I unhooked batteries and took starter off and took it to napa. They tested the old one said was no good. No problem, got remanned starter, put everything back together & wont start. Now glow plug light stays on! Its a manual tranny, so tried pull starting it - still no go

John M · Nov 19, 2011

Fuel pump running when you first turn the switch on?

Allan in NE · Nov 19, 2011

That woulda been my thought too.

Allan

johndeereman · Nov 19, 2011

Is that on the right fender? Something over there is running hard to hear anything else over top of it

B-Mod · Nov 19, 2011

(quoted from post at 19:26:07 11/19/11) My 250 powerstroke is not getting fuel into the fuel filter. Anybody have a clue what might be causing this? Heres what happened, truck started and did not get oil pressure quick enough so it shut down. I tried to restart but starter decided it didnt even want to try. So I unhooked batteries and took starter off and took it to napa. They tested the old one said was no good. No problem, got remanned starter, put everything back together & wont start. Now glow plug light stays on! Its a manual tranny, so tried pull starting it - still no go

Is this a 7.3lt diesel? Fill up the high pressure oil res., it is on the front of the engine, black aluminum housing. If no oil pressure, this runs dry, and no fuel pressure is then made. But I am not sure what else you have going on electrically now.........

johndeereman · Nov 19, 2011

Pull starting it it has oil pressure so I know that reservoir is full
I know it did shut off because of no oil pressure but I"m not
familiar with these systems I"m thing something along the lines
of whatever shuts the fuel off because of oil pressure is stuck
or bad and won"t let the fuel through again

B-Mod · Nov 19, 2011

(quoted from post at 21:06:30 11/19/11) Pull starting it it has oil pressure so I know that reservoir is full
I know it did shut off because of no oil pressure but I"m not
familiar with these systems I"m thing something along the lines
of whatever shuts the fuel off because of oil pressure is stuck
or bad and won"t let the fuel through again

Check the res., just because there is oil pressure does not mean it is full. I had a truck that would do this every so often as the oil pump was going bad. It would show pressure on the gauge but still not start till I refilled the res.......

B-Mod · Nov 19, 2011

(quoted from post at 19:56:45 11/19/11) Is that on the right fender? Something over there is running hard to hear anything else over top of it

I think on the right fender is the vacuum pump for the heater acc. stuff...

johndeereman · Nov 19, 2011

Ok so I crawled under the truck and had my wife turn key on. I hear a motor running I assume it's fuel pump sounds like one anyway

B-Mod · Nov 19, 2011

(quoted from post at 21:33:57 11/19/11) Ok so I crawled under the truck and had my wife turn key on. I hear a motor running I assume it's fuel pump sounds like one anyway

Did you check or fill the HPOP res.?

Jerry He · Nov 19, 2011

There is a fuel pressue regulator in the front of the valley on the high pressure pump that can come apart. If you cannot find anything there check the cam sensor. If nothing found check the fuel pressure in the head it takes approx 3000lbs to open the injectors. Are the batteries up good? These motors need to spin to start. You should hear the injectors chatter when they open. White smoke from exhust will indicate fueling. If the truck just died and you do not have a new cam sensor I would try that first.

hoof print · Nov 20, 2011

Sounds like the o-rings on your ipr valve have gone bad. if they go it will not build oil pressure to operate the injectors.

TGP · Nov 20, 2011

(quoted from post at 18:26:07 11/19/11) My 250 powerstroke is not getting fuel into the fuel filter. Anybody have a clue what might be causing this? Heres what happened, truck started and did not get oil pressure quick enough so it shut down. I tried to restart but starter decided it didnt even want to try. So I unhooked batteries and took starter off and took it to napa. They tested the old one said was no good. No problem, got remanned starter, put everything back together & wont start. Now glow plug light stays on! Its a manual tranny, so tried pull starting it - still no go

The HPOP has nothing to do with filling the filter or getting fuel to it.
Also changing the oil does not change the oil in the HPOP reservoir.
That needs to be sucked out and refill manually.

I would make sure the electric inline lift pump mounted on the inside left frame rail under the drivers floor is working. There is also a lift pump fuse in the fuse box on the left front fender.
You will need the owners manual to find which one as Ford only marks them with numbers.

I have seen a weak Lift pump blow the fuse if the pump tries to restart after building head pressure then stalling the pump.
If the LP checks out look elsewhere.
My bet is a bad LP if you have more than 120,000 miles and is original.
Tom

johndeereman · Nov 20, 2011

There is no fuse box on the fender they are all under driver
compartment kick panel truck has 123,000 miles not sure if
pump is original but I will go check to see if it"s working thanks

johndeereman · Nov 20, 2011

There is no fuse box on the fender they are all under driver
compartment kick panel truck has 123,000 miles not sure if
pump is original but I will go check to see if it"s working thanks

John M · Nov 20, 2011

Check fuse 40 & 105, I think it was. The panel under the hood is to the right of the mastercylinder, but behind the airerfilt box. IIRC.

B-Mod · Nov 20, 2011

(quoted from post at 09:26:37 11/20/11)

(quoted from post at 18:26:07 11/19/11) My 250 powerstroke is not getting fuel into the fuel filter. Anybody have a clue what might be causing this? Heres what happened, truck started and did not get oil pressure quick enough so it shut down. I tried to restart but starter decided it didnt even want to try. So I unhooked batteries and took starter off and took it to napa. They tested the old one said was no good. No problem, got remanned starter, put everything back together & wont start. Now glow plug light stays on! Its a manual tranny, so tried pull starting it - still no go

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The HPOP has nothing to do with filling the filter or getting fuel to it.
Also changing the oil does not change the oil in the HPOP reservoir.
That needs to be sucked out and refill manually.

I would make sure the electric inline lift pump mounted on the inside left frame rail under the drivers floor is working. There is also a lift pump fuse in the fuse box on the left front fender.
You will need the owners manual to find which one as Ford only marks them with numbers.

I have seen a weak Lift pump blow the fuse if the pump tries to restart after building head pressure then stalling the pump.
If the LP checks out look elsewhere.
My bet is a bad LP if you have more than 120,000 miles and is original.
Tom

HPOP reservoir is filled with engine oil, fed from the oil pump, it is always changing, these engines are very finicky with engine oil, must be changed every 3500 miles.
I almost was thinking of buying a truck with a 7.3 in it and getting rid of my cummins, but after working on one, and seeing all the problems, no way........

One more time, did you check the HPOP reservoir oil level???

johndeereman · Nov 20, 2011

I just checked the hpop level and it is full however the pump on
the frame rail is not running besides the pump being bad what
else would cause the pump not to run?

John M · Nov 20, 2011

Fuse...

B-Mod · Nov 20, 2011

Disconnect the glow plug controller, then try spraying starting fluid to see if the motor will catch and run. These trucks are also known for air leaks in the fuel system, if it has been sitting awhile. Check for power at the fuel pump when you first turn the key on. You have a bunch of issues, just not sure which to tackle first. Make sure the truck is cranking fast, as another poster said, these things need to crank fast, faster than you think. Our 1999 f-450 needed a new starter (improved design), and it seemed fine.

johndeereman · Nov 20, 2011

There is no fuse box under good just 2 lil boxes that have relays in them the pump on frame runs with a jumper wire so there's something not letting this stuff work

John M · Nov 20, 2011

Did you check fues 40 under the dash? Thats the fuel pump fuse. I cnat recollect, but does it have the safty shut off switch under the passenger side dash?

johndeereman · Nov 20, 2011

Yes I checked fuse 40 yes it has the fuel pump shut off but the button is pushed in yes it runs on starting fluid guess my next step is to change the oil it"s long overdue anyway oh and yes it cranks faste a lot faster now with new starter the book says the fuel pump and injectors run off the PCM where would I locate that on my truck and how would I be able to test it?

B-Mod · Nov 20, 2011

(quoted from post at 12:30:30 11/20/11) Yes I checked fuse 40 yes it has the fuel pump shut off but the button is pushed in yes it runs on starting fluid guess my next step is to change the oil it"s long overdue anyway oh and yes it cranks faste a lot faster now with new starter the book says the fuel pump and injectors run off the PCM where would I locate that on my truck and how would I be able to test it?

I think some trucks had it between the fender and inner fender.

Good site for info.......... http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/

CLTX · Nov 20, 2011

I don't know if this relates to your situation, but I had a weak cell in one battery on my 01 powerstroke. The volt meter didn't register any noticeable drop, but the computer was reading low oil pressure and it would not start. New batteries solved the problem.
C. L.

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