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The night before last I spent 8pm until 12 at the Armed Forces Service Center at the Mpls/St Paul airport. This is a single location stand alone USO-like but not U.S. government supported operation, and is possible because of help from the local airport commission, veterans' organizations, businesses and a couple hundred volunteers who pair up for four hour shifts 24/7, and host the active duty service people/families traveling through on orders. My partner was an interesting 87 year old, Edwin Nakasone. He was in his teens, December 7, 1941, growing up in Hawaii with his Japanese parents. Later as a citizen, he served in the U.S. Army and retired from the reserves after 30 years. That period overlapped with the 30 some years he spent teaching history at a local college. He also wrote a couple of books about the Nisei Soldiers; one of those vets is a friend of mine.
Of particular interest to me was the fact that Edwin's first son attended West Point for a year, did well academically but resigned from there. He transferred those credits and completed his college elsewhere. His second son received a four year college degree and got a commission through another officer program. At 47 he has jumped through all the hoops necessary to become a Brigadier General except for the required congressional approval, delayed because of their not being in session. His father intends to go to the Pentagon for the promotion ceremony.
Poster tryed but failed to link the following:
Historical Overview of the Japanese American Internment

Between 1942 and 1945, the U.S. government forced more than 120,000 Japanese Americans from their homes, farms, schools, jobs and businesses, in violation of their constitutional civil rights and liberties. After the attack by Japan on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, the United States to entered World War II. Years of anti-Japanese prejudice erupted into hate and suspicion. All people of Japanese descent were looked upon as capable of sabotage, and the success of the attack was assumed to be the result of espionage by Japanese Americans living in Hawaii and on the West Coast.
On the West Coast, a hysteria of fear against Japanese Americans as "the Fifth Column" and "the enemy within" was created by inflammatory journalism, pressure groups, politicians, and the U.S. Army. A profound suspicion of Japanese Americans quickly led to cries for their expulsion. On February 19, 1942, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066, which called for the exclusion and internment of all Japanese Americans from the West Coast--where the majority of Japanese Americans lived, outside of Hawaii.
The exclusion and incarceration of Japanese Americans began in March 1942. The War Relocation Authority, or WRA, was established to administer the camps. During the first phase, internees were transported on trains and busses under military guard to the hastily prepared temporary detention centers.
Twelve temporary detention centers were in California and one was in Oregon. They were set up on race tracks, fairgrounds, or livestock pavilions. Detainees were housed in livestock stalls or windowless shacks that were crowded and lacked sufficient ventilation, electricity, and sanitation facilities. Food was often spoiled. There was a shortage of food and medicine.
The second phase began midsummer and involved moving approximately 500 deportees daily from the temporary detention centers to permanent concentration camps. These camps were located in remote, uninhabitable areas. In the desert camps, daytime temperatures often reached 100 degrees or more. Sub-zero winters were common in the northern camps.
Japanese Americans filed lawsuits to stop the mass incarceration, but the wartime courts supported the hysteria. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Hirabayashi v U.S., Yasui v U.S. , and Korematsu v U.S. that the denial of civil liberties based on race and national origin were legal. In a later, contradictory ruling in Endo v
U.S., the Supreme Court decided that a loyal citizen could not be detained, but this did not stop the internment.
The internment camps were surrounded by barbed wire and guard towers. Armed guards patrolled the perimeter and were instructed to shoot anyone attempting to leave. The barracks consisted of tar paper over two-by-sixes and no insulation. Many families were assigned to one barracks and lived together with no privacy. Meals were taken communally in mess halls and required a long wait in line. A demonstration in Manzanar over the theft of food by personnel led to violence in which two died and many were injured. The attempt at screening for loyalty and registering inmates for military induction with the Army's questionnaire "Application for Leave Clearance," was conducted in a manner fraught with such confusion and distrust that violence broke out at both California camps.
Through the relocation program the Japanese Americans suffered greatly. They first endured the shock of realizing they were not being sent to resettlement communities, as many had been led to believe, but to prison. They lost their homes and businesses. Their educations and careers were interrupted and their possessions lost. Many lost sons who fought for the country that imprisoned their parents. They suffered the loss of faith in the government and the humiliation of being confined as traitors in their own country.
Many young Japanese American men fought for the United States while their families were imprisoned. The highly decorated, all-Japanese American 100th Battalion /442nd Regimental Combat Team that fought in Italy is one example of this irony. Other Japanese Americans served as translators as well as ordinary soldiers in the Pacific theater.
Throughout the course of World War II, not a single incident of espionage or treason was found to be committed by Japanese Americans. The difficulty of committing treason while incarcerated cannot alone explain this absence of wrongdoing; Japanese Americans living in Hawaii were spared relocation because of the logistical difficulty of transporting a third of the state's population to the mainland. With their numbers exceeding the entire Japanese population on the mainland, Japanese Americans in Hawaii proved an essential part of the state's labor force and defense.
On December 17, 1944, President Roosevelt announced the end of the exclusion of Japanese Americans from the West Coast, thus allowing the return home of the internees. Relocation after incarceration was difficult, especially since prejudice still ran high in the West Coast. Many Issei (first generation Japanese Americans) never regained their losses, living out their lives in poverty and poor health.
On July 31, 1980 to establish the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians (CWRIC) to investigate the incarceration of Japanese Americans and legal resident aliens during World War II. The Commission concluded: "the promulgation of Executive Order 9066 was not justified by military necessity, and the decisions which followed from it-detention, ending detention, and ending exclusion-were not driven by analysis of military conditions. The broad historical causes which shaped these decisions were race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership."
In October 1983, in response to a petition for a writ of error coram nobis by Fred Korematsu, the Federal District Court of San Francisco reversed his 1942 conviction and rules that the internment was not justified.
On August 10, 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed into law The Civil Liberties Act of 1988, which provides for an apology and redress to the internees still living. Nearly half of those who had been imprisoned died before the bill was signed. The Civil Liberties Act of 1988 also established The Civil Liberties Public Education Fund whose purpose is "to sponsor research and public educational activities and to publish and distribute the hearings, findings, and recommendations of the CWRIC so that the events surrounding the exclusion, forced removal and internment of civilians and permanent resident aliens of Japanese ancestry will be remembered, and so that the causes and circumstances of this and similar events may be illuminated and understood."
 
Interesting story/comment. That was, indeed, a major misstep in our country's history.

Back in 88 or 89, I had an occasion to go to Hawaii and to visit Pearl Harbor. I was struck by the number of Japanese tourists there and their EXTREME REVERENCE demonstrated...especially the older folk some with tears in their eyes. It was a heartfelt visit to Pearl Harbor for me that day.

My personal gratitude to our Vets...NOT just today, but each and every day. I ate lunch today at our local truckstop and got to shake a couple hands and say "Thank you, SIR..."

Rick
 
I had a friend at work (he's retired now) who was one of those internees. His family had been relocated to a site that's now the fairgrounds in Puyallup, WA. Because of that, he had never attended the fair. I told him one day that I was going to the fair, and that's when he related that story to me. The next year, I asked him if he and his family wanted to go to the fair with us. He just gave me a dirty look and I said "You know, they've taken down the machine gun towers". He scowled at me, then finally laughed and said "Yeah, I guess I have been a little unforgiving." I don't know if he ever went or not.
 
Yes, that was bad the way the Japanese Americans were treated. HOWEVER!!! Most of them had
family in Japan, many had close family, Mothers and Fathers if they were naturlized,Grand parents there if they were born here. Now Just think about it, would your allegiance be for America or your close Family back in Japan? Even if your allegiance was for America and what happened to your family in Japan because of war, just happened, I can sure understand why I would not trust a Japanese American here with family over there.
IT WAS A BAD BAD SITUATION.
 
A close friend of mine was a kid during the American concentration camps. His Father, Mother, 2 sisters, and him. I met him in November of 1967. He was killed February 2nd, 1968. Plieku Vietnam.
 
In retrospect, that was an unfortunate situation but remember, those were dark days for the U.S. and the American public. We were getting our a$$es kicked everywhere, Pearl Harbor, the Phillipines, Singapore...The Americans who were captured were treated inhumanely, to say the least. Passions were running high and the end result in the American homeland was the relocation of the Japanese Americans. Unfortunate but it falls under the category of the fortunes of war. Political correctness only came later.
 
I'm sorry,I've reread your post several times and I can not understand your point. Of course now in the 21st century every one has an axe to grind or remorse to be felt about the lunatic passions that was consuming the world in those days. If you can find one alive tell this story to a survivor of the Batann Death March or an survivor of one of the Japanese prisoner of war camps if any are still alive and see their reaction. This sounds like a sympathy generating spiel from Wikipedia .Personally my family was in full agreement with the war time governments desision to inteer the Japanese resident of America.I doubt you were around in those days.I was 4 years old and in my mind still can hear the celabration that went on when news of this event was made public.My God man they attacked us. Fred who? Never heard of him and my guess is he was not inteered in the war years but was a person of suspicion for espionage or worse. A large camp area can still be seen near Casa Grande Az.Local history discribes conditions in the camp. Nothing is noted as to the charges of unsanitary living conditions or food spoilage. To the contrary many of the inteered Japanese stayed around Phoeinix Az. after the war and became involved with farming in this area.There is much more to the story the public will probably never be made aware of than what you and I post here. This is a national day of recognition for the Military Service men who made it possible for our great country to be free and remain the greatest Republic on earth not one to drum up sympathy for a Terrorist peoples from the past.I expect a rebuttal,keep it civil please.I expect this to be censored.
 
One camp was "silver city" or something like that in Texas- half the detainees were Japanese, the other half were Germans--- so others were detained also. Riding buddy"s uncle was detained because of his old German passport-and the family was Samoan. Security for military can be interesting- younger brother was stationed about a month in Berlin then got called into captains office and told to pack- he was getting shipped out of Berlin by end of day for security reasons--HUH? what I do? Nothing you did, it"s your uncle in eastern zone that may be threatened to blackmail you to turn traitor-- you"re going to French border now so the reds can"t influence you. Younger brother ended up at end of "enlistment"( he was drafted) in MP company and got to confirm some of mothers side of family history. SS got Auslanddeutsch "volunteers" instead of Army/Wehrmact a lot of times, don"t call the SS outfits war criminals unless you can prove it. Japan relocation was a response to what at the time was a credible security risk-- think Bill Clinton saying Saddam had WMDs-- and wasn"t as bad as severe labor camp as used by Russians or Concentration Camps used by British in Boer War and WW1. Death rate was a lot less. Cherokee relocation death rate anyone know? US history has enough examples of civil rights violations beside Japanese detention camps. RN
 

Wow. What a stupid way to analyze it. What about all the first generation Americans that had relatives in Germany and Italy? We didn't violate their constitutional rights, and you don't mention anything about that "danger." It just reeks of racism.
 
My last Name is Haas. Do you think any of my relatives served in Europe in WWII??? Heck no. They all went to the Pacific where they fought the Japanese that you are so worried about.

I had a great Uncle that survived the Bataan death march. Also lost a cousin at Pearl Harbor. So I don't feel sorry for one minute that we relocated the Japanese during a time of war. They where feed, clothed and had a roof over their heads. Ask any WWII Vet how these fellow Japanese treated any US prisoners. I bet that none of them received as good of treatment.
 
OK guys there is more to look at than just the Japanese thing. While we incarsarated without due cause Japanese Americans we totally ignored the German and Itilian Americans. The Itilian Americans casued little or no threat but the German American Bund and other pro Nazi/Hitler groups printed papers that they sent to US services menbers serving in Europe trying to convince them that they shouldn't fight Germany. Also many were caught and charged with spying on war production and shipping and few incedents of sabatoge. German Americans did far more harm than Japanese Americas did. I can only conclude that race was a factor. A very sad page in our history.

Rick
 
German Americans were certainly discriminated against. 3 of my grandparents were German immigrants. Someone accused my grandmother of being a spy and the house was searched and a camera and radio were confiscated and never returned. My other grandfather had farm machinery stolen and got no help from the authorities. Some people hold a grudge a long time too. A generation later the town tax accessor (a WW2 vet) was a miserable SOB to my dad. He had the accessment so inflated that when a new accessor came in she lowered the taxable value of the farm 25%.
 
Sorry;not so. The government set up many German and Italian ethnicity camps around the country.In fact any ethnic group was fair target for detainment,accept Anglo/Saxon Americans and African Americans.We already had the Native Americans detained,see White Mountain Apache,Pine Ridge Lakota etc.My folks were so happy to see the Japanese Americans imprisoned they almost danced for joy,and I don't believe those two Hill Billys[no disrespect folks] had ever seen a Japanese.
 
(quoted from post at 22:46:31 11/11/11) German Americans were certainly discriminated against. 3 of my grandparents were German immigrants. Someone accused my grandmother of being a spy and the house was searched and a camera and radio were confiscated and never returned. My other grandfather had farm machinery stolen and got no help from the authorities. Some people hold a grudge a long time too. A generation later the town tax accessor (a WW2 vet) was a miserable SOB to my dad. He had the accessment so inflated that when a new accessor came in she lowered the taxable value of the farm 25%.

I'm not saying that there was no discrimination against them from individuals but for the most part because of political considerations they were left alone by the federal government. They didn't close down the Bund until sometime in 44 because they were afraid of the back lash.

My dad who fought in the south Pacific hated all things Japanese until the day he died, I don't blame him.

Rick
 
I can read. Only the Japanese had their homes and businesses taken from them and then put in what was really a prison, the discrimination some (of German descent) endured as mentioned above pales in comparison to what the American citizens of Japanese descent endured.
 

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