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I noticed several made in USA stickers with old glory flying strong in the wind on products that sure looked more like made in USA NOT!


Then read onward...it listed several other countries in small print.

Talk about ticking me off!
 
Define "made in USA" Between the wife, the kids amd myself we have 4 vehicles, two Fords, a Dodge and a Honda. Only one was assembled or made in the USA, I'll give you a hint it's not one of the big three. Every Crown Victoria the cops have used for the last 19 years was made in Canada. Some of it is driven by federal law, the CAFE standards for fuel economy made it so they could sell big "american" cars in Canada with out facing a penality, so they shifted production there make it were you sell it right?
 
I don't mind if they import some parts, as long as some complete vehicles are exported. The export dollars should exceed import dollars. This is fair trade.
 
to me, unless it has been manufactured and assembled in the USA, no such thing as made in the USA. just because the parts come from another country and assembled here, doesn"t constitute "MADE IN USA"...my opinion...at the same time, where is any item not imported, being how corporate greed wants to make money from sweat shop and don"t care about the born in the USA people"s jobs...
 
Trouble is,small,cheap parts used to be made for low wages in foreign countries,then were shipped here where large factories with their own steel founderies paid American workers high union wages to build durable goods here. Now,it's American workers making plastic widgits for minimum wage for foreign manufacturers to build durable goods for Americans who can't afford them anyway.
 
I have posted several times about a website:

STILLMADEINUSA.COM That lists almost anything you can think of still made in the USA. I use it constantly bu I will warn you---be prepared to pay lots more for most items. However, most times its worth the price.
 
(quoted from post at 09:20:45 10/15/11) to me, unless it has been manufactured and assembled in the USA, no such thing as made in the USA. just because the parts come from another country and assembled here, doesn"t constitute "MADE IN USA"...my opinion...at the same time, where is any item not imported, being how corporate greed wants to make money from sweat shop and don"t care about the born in the USA people"s jobs...
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Here we go with the corporate greed again.......

1. A company has to make a PROFIT to stay in business. Part of that is cash on hand to pay for materials. If they have to borrow to build they don't last long. They also have to compete against other companies. It don't do a darn bit of good to care about peoples jobs if the company has to close up because they can't compete!

2. The government has more to do with jobs going offshore than corporate greed! OSHA and the EPA have driven more jobs overseas than anything else!

3. The buying public has a lot to do with this too. People yell that Wal Mart has closed down many stores. How many stores have been driven out of business because of online sales? Bet it's more than Wal Mart has killed. I live centered between 3 towns that all have Wal Marts. One has had business pick up across the boards. One has not really changed and in the last Wal Mart drove another box store out. The same people are yelling about corperate greed yet still going and buying by price rather than by where it is made at.........while shopping online!

4. Outsourcing is not new. Go look up the Boxer Rebellion. Then ask why we had US military personnel in China from then until after WWII. It was not to protect the missionaries! More like US business interest! Outsourcing has been going on for over a century!

No I'm not a stock owner or a business man! I'm a retired soldier who is farming. But I do read more than just tractor pages!

Rick
 
FYI. Most police agencies have tried other makes then crown vics, but (generally) the cops on the ground actually perfer them over the chevs and dodges that have been proposed. and by the way Crown vics are not made in Canada.
 
You know, it gripes me to see all the stuff that is shipped in from some other off shore place, but what gripes me even more is the prepared food items that are becoming more prevalent(sp?). I polished off a jug of Mott's apple juice the other day, and after the liquid is gone from the jug, you can faintly read that the contents came from Argentina, USA and China. If they were proud of it, it would be in bold print right on the label, but no. . . I'm against more laws, but I wish the food companies were required to tell the country of origin on all food products. This "distributed by XXXXXX" ain't good enough for me. You can "distribute" anything, but you have to get it from somewhere first, and I wanta know where that somewhere is. I think congress is in cahoots with these importers.
 
Made in the USA is really a play on words if it means "assembled in USA". That means all the white collar jobs have been exported, engineering, design, tooling, even assembly line design and tools come from overseas. No white collar taxes being paid here anymore.

American union auto workers were definately overpaid, but they spent the money, paid taxes and kept our economy rolling and all these white collar jobs were there when our kids wanted to go to college and move up in the world.

Now the states subsidize the foreign companies factories with billions of dollars and get little or no taxes, the workers make about $30,000 a year which qualifies them for food stamps in some states, and the country and almost every state is bankrupt. Wonder why?

Guess we showed them huh!!!
 
Crown Vics were only made here in Ontario until this month. Factory now closed and Crown Vics are now a thing of the past. Ford has discontinued the Crown Vic.
 
Yep,I came to realize that AFTER we lost 2700 high paying union jobs here in our community. I was one to jump right in and say that "nobody's worth $18 an hour to stand there and run a screw gun". I know now that the person running that screw gun wasn't the one making that money. They were just the vessel that that money passed through every Friday on its was in to the pockets of everybody else in the community.
 
(quoted from post at 11:03:25 10/15/11) You know, it gripes me to see all the stuff that is shipped in from some other off shore place, but what gripes me even more is the prepared food items that are becoming more prevalent(sp?). I polished off a jug of Mott's apple juice the other day, and after the liquid is gone from the jug, you can faintly read that the contents came from Argentina, USA and China. If they were proud of it, it would be in bold print right on the label, but no. . . I'm against more laws, but I wish the food companies were required to tell the country of origin on all food products. This "distributed by XXXXXX" ain't good enough for me. You can "distribute" anything, but you have to get it from somewhere first, and I wanta know where that somewhere is. I think congress is in cahoots with these importers.
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They did pass the "Country OF Origin Lable" law but if you read it it only requires a lable if a certain percentage of the base ingrediants is exceeded. Remember a couple of years back when all the big Agra businesses were trying to convince the general population that if passed it would outlaw the sale of home grown veggies and or outlaw gardens at all? That's why they were putting out that disinformation, they didn't want the COOL laws to pass. These are the same Agra business that pay the fines to import powdered milk aboved the allowed limits. Cheaper to buy powdered milk from South America, reconstitute it and make cheese or "cheese food product" (single slices like Kraft)(read the lable) AND PAY THE FINE than it is to buy fresh milk for the American farmer. The government has no desire to really stop it as compared to most of the world we have cheap food. They have no desire to face the voter if food prices double. In this case there is no real reason to have to bribe them......the fear of losing thier job is enough.

Rick
 
(quoted from post at 11:31:28 10/15/11) Yep,I came to realize that AFTER we lost 2700 high paying union jobs here in our community. I was one to jump right in and say that "nobody's worth $18 an hour to stand there and run a screw gun". I know now that the person running that screw gun wasn't the one making that money. They were just the vessel that that money passed through every Friday on its was in to the pockets of everybody else in the community.
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Yea but if the company can't compeat in the market paying those kinda of wages one of 2 things will happen. They will move production off shore or go broke and close anyway.

Rick
 
Exactly. The last ones they produced went somewhere like South Africa?. They were the preferred choice in alot different countries. Just wait, Ford will re-tool a plant in the States to make them again. Hard to imagine Ford's going to quit making such a popular car.
 
The good ole UNITED STATES OF MEXICO,Its sad but its true,America is changing and all we can do is hold on and complain.My grandchildern says Im just to old fashion

jimmy
 
(quoted from post at 12:14:24 10/15/11) Exactly. The last ones they produced went somewhere like South Africa?. They were the preferred choice in alot different countries. Just wait, Ford will re-tool a plant in the States to make them again. Hard to imagine Ford's going to quit making such a popular car.
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According to Ford they are done.

Rick
 
We have some cheap barstools that we use in the kitchen around the island. Made in Indonesia. Started with six but they all eventually crapped out. I finally busted them up to burn. Lo and behold, the ball bearing swivel mounting the seat to the legs was stamped Chicago, Il.
 
Buy a clutch facing for JD A at JD dealer that comes in a wrapper with JD all over it. Look on the back of disc itself...."made in Peru" . I'll bet some of the aftermarket ones are actually made here in USA.
 
They established a town in China called USA. When it says made in USA, it's China. If it says made in THE USA, it may be American made.
 
You are right about the Crown Vic's. My son is a police man in a small town. They have tried a Dodge with a Hemi, fast but is in the shop all the time and the brakes just last 6000 mi. He said the Ford's just go 20000.
 
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My brother used to work at borg-warner..
It was not unusual for them to get products from Japan,take them out of their boxes,repackage them in boxes with-made in usa-stamped all over them....And ship them out.........the boxes were made in the usa...
 
Crown Vics, Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town cars (for the last 10 years after they closed Wixom Michigan) were made in St Thomas, Ontario Canada. If your VIN number starts with 2 it's made in Canada, if your VIN starts with 3 it's made in Mexico. US made vehicles have VIN numbers that start with 1 or 4. I see our local UAW is back in action, turned down three contracts, finally approved one- now they can only be forced to "work" 8 Saturdays a year, members on TV still bitching on how "the company screwed them" and is unfair taht they have to work overtime. Oh buy the way it's Oshkosh Truck, they make stuff for our military. Maybe the line workes at Oshkosh might like to go to the middle east and work 6-7 days a week for salary, get shot at, face IEDs....
 
Noticed recently that one of my drills was marked "Engineered and tested in the USA". No telling where it was made. No other markings.
 
(quoted from post at 21:09:55 10/15/11) Crown Vics, Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town cars (for the last 10 years after they closed Wixom Michigan) were made in St Thomas, Ontario Canada. If your VIN number starts with 2 it's made in Canada, if your VIN starts with 3 it's made in Mexico. US made vehicles have VIN numbers that start with 1 or 4. I see our local UAW is back in action, turned down three contracts, finally approved one- now they can only be forced to "work" 8 Saturdays a year, members on TV still bitching on how "the company screwed them" and is unfair taht they have to work overtime. Oh buy the way it's Oshkosh Truck, they make stuff for our military. Maybe the line workes at Oshkosh might like to go to the middle east and work 6-7 days a week for salary, get shot at, face IEDs....
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Dude thats a 24/7 thing not 6-7! Yea I'd like to see those guys over there getting a E1's pay too!

Rick
 
The Ford Mustang transmission parts are made in Ohio. Then, they box up all the parts, ship them to France, assemble the transmissions in France, and then ship the assembled transmission back to Michigan and install the transmission in the factory.

Ford's reasoning behind all this retardedness???

They want to stabilize their French customer base, by providing jobs in that country to inspire customer loyalty.

So, wasting fuel and time and money instead of just running some TV commercials in France... No wonder the economy is so bleak... We are a bunch of idiots.
 
I bought a small oxy acetylene torch with the Victor name on it.Comes on a cardboard display no country of origin listed on the torch or regulators.The shipping box had some fine print.Torch parts are made in China,regulators assembled in Mexico.Hose and spark lighter are marked made in Usa.regulators and torch parts have no china marks on them.Victor Co has done their best to hide the counrty of origin.The bottles have no origin marks on them.Outfit cost 300 bucks,Could have bought a china torch for 100 bucks and rented some larger bottles.Vise Grips the original ones are made in China and still sell for US prices.Saw some vise grip pliers on a bubble pack marked made in USA on the handle, turn the pack over and see a tiny sticker that says made in china .You can peel the sticker and have a usa tool.My 96 Ford truck has metric nuts and bolts , I have some metric wrenches but always have to go and buy more.My Ford truck was assembled in Canada with metric bolts and has been getting chinese parts when I have to fix it.I needed some grade 8 bolts,they were from Taiwan .
 
Orange juice and salad dressing comes into the us in 50 gallon blue plastic barrels.I expect the apple juice came in the same way.We buy cider pressed at a local orchard by a fellow I know.He wont use drops and uses UV light.We have helped each other over the years when tractors broke down and my son and grand son have worked in the orchard.My son helped him plant the first trees many years ago.His orchard is one of the few places where local people can get work.I wont buy import apples or juice.Buying local is one way we can get out of this mess.There was a time when people wouldnt drive 60 miles to save 6 cents on a bar of soap.
 
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