tractorsam
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Such is the way of the current world, rob the people of tomorrow for today's short term gain. Fortunately you can do something about it, not that it'll be easy. On the other hand, you can't save everything. Sam
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I agree 100%. There's lots of them today but it can't last. Its already driven prices up on tractors that could be fixed up but won't be because the initial cost is too high. I'm someone that can't afford to shell out a lot of money as a lump sum but can spend a lot to fix a tactor if its spread out over a couple of years.
Ultradog MN
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You can't save them all.
I personally think that this is probably the last generation that will so in to restoring old tractors. Another 20 years or so with ever increasing land use restrictions, polution controls and a generation that is more into the TV then wrenching on old iron and you will begin to see whole restored tractors going to the smelter.
Maybe not your fancy, rare tractors but your common ones, Farmall Hs, Ford Ns, Allis Bs or JD Bs will a lot of them go.
Last fall I was talking to a guy who works on 60s/70s muscle cars. He was saying that the prices of those cars probably reached their top value a few years ago and will never fetch their top prices again.
He said that the generation of guys who had one as a kid or wished they could have one as a kid - when they were new - have taken such a big hit in their IRAs etc that they can't afford them now. So the prices have fallen by 40% in some cases.
I personally think that this is probably the last generation that will so in to restoring old tractors. Another 20 years or so with ever increasing land use restrictions, polution controls and a generation that is more into the TV then wrenching on old iron and you will begin to see whole restored tractors going to the smelter.
Maybe not your fancy, rare tractors but your common ones, Farmall Hs, Ford Ns, Allis Bs or JD Bs will a lot of them go.
Last fall I was talking to a guy who works on 60s/70s muscle cars. He was saying that the prices of those cars probably reached their top value a few years ago and will never fetch their top prices again.
He said that the generation of guys who had one as a kid or wished they could have one as a kid - when they were new - have taken such a big hit in their IRAs etc that they can't afford them now. So the prices have fallen by 40% in some cases.
John M
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The biggest problem, IMHO, is that someone thinks that they are worth more than what they actually are! The sit there until they are basically scrap anyways, the owner passes, the kids haul it off! I see it happen regularly. The price of John Deere tractors has gone through the roof, so every tightwad old geezer thinks his is worth twice what he paid for it, no matter what make!
John that isn't always the case. A local dealer here sells a lot of tractor on consignment. He had an IH 560 gas. Rubber was about 50%. Missing the side panels and batter access panels. Kid selling it was finishing up his dads estate. He wanted 5K for it. Told me when I called him that it was old and therefore collectable. I told him to get the missing stuff, put new rubber on it and a pant job and I would give him the 5K.
I see a lot of young people involved in collecting too. Ya gotta remember less than 1% of the American population collects. I don't....I'm a user!
Rick
fixerupper
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Maybe a little of the reason they are scrapped is the owners don't want to hassle with the low life scammars who make advertising a tractor an unpleasant experience. Or they don’t know what its worth. They just want it gone and out of sight. Jim
fixerupper
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Maybe a little of the reason they are scrapped is the owners don't want to hassle with the low life scammars who make advertising a tractor an unpleasant experience. Or they don’t know what its worth. They just want it gone and out of sight. Jim
37chief
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There is a point where something is worn out beyond repair. Here where I live there is hardly any interest in old tractors. I am cleaning up around our place and have scrapped a couple old A/C crawlers. and drag discs, not so much for the money, but we just have too much stuff that will never be used. I have several more old A/C Model M crawlers I will sell for the scrap value if someone wants one. Just bring your trailer to California. Stan
Traditional Farmer
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Well I'll tell you why I've scrapped alot of parts tractors that still had some good parts on them.Most collectors are pretty much cheapskates that wanted me to go over and take an hour to pull a $20 part and then they cry and try to get it cheaper.I'm getting $300 for a 3000lb chunk of tractor so why would I hassle for maybe a few extra $$$ off of it and have to deal with 5-10 people to get it? When I can drag it on the trailer haul it 5 miles to the scrapper get paid and a no hassle done deal in less than an hour.
I am afraid my grandkids will be more interested in vido games then old tractors. After all they could get hurt out there on the farm and what about all the bugs that could bit you while walking through the weeds. If the dads don't farm, its going to be hard to get the younger kids interested. To bad, To bad.
Billy Shafer
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I have seen the same thing in the old car world. People think they have a rare car or think it is worth more than it is. I know a guy that has a 67 Ford Pickup. Asking 10.000 for it and it is a basket case. I am sure it will end up in the scrap yard at some time.
mark in boonville ny
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makes me sick to my stomach scrapping good usable stuff. cars trucks and tractors. id rather get less for it than let it go for scrap. i wish there were salvage yards than scrap yards because most stuff would go there instead which is much better. or atleast if scrap yards let people buy the stuff out of there yards like parts and whole machines.
old
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What really bugs me is the guys who put ads on places like Craig's List wanting old farm equipment and car and trucks etc. They offer to clean up scarp iron etc but what do you get well you get ripped off they now know what you have an wait for you to not be home. And yes It is getting very bad see old equipment being cut up all the time. Me I do take in a bit here and there but what I take in there is no way to make it good for any thing. Took in a few radiators not long ago but they where so bad there was no way to fix them
Traditional Farmer
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Face it salvage yards are where people go to buy something at rock bottom prices not pay a fair price so its easier to scrap than deal with John
Q Public these days who think because they have a couple $$ in their pocket they call all the shots.
Q Public these days who think because they have a couple $$ in their pocket they call all the shots.
I hear ya on that, not only tractors either, I had completely restored a 1985 Dodge power ram 4x4, stuck almost 8 grand in that thing, bought a new ford and the wife said it had to go, new id never get my money out of it, let it go for 1500, that was three years ago, well this spring someone at work came up to me and says hey did you get rid of the green dodge, i said yep sold it about three years ago, they say well its on the top of the scarp pile in green bush now! Lights roll bar tires and all were still on it, had big kc daylighters on the roll bars, nice afermarket mag wheels, what a shame. The wife works with the kid that bought it and evidentally he hooked up the kc lights, turned em on, had a short and burnt the whole wiring out of it, if i had known i would have bought it back, i have a complete harness here for it! Just makes me sick to my stomach when i heard it was there! BOB
fixerupper
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I like Thurlow's post.
I don't collect junk. My farm is neat, clean and orderly on the outside. Just don't look in the buildings. It's a danger zone in there!
Old machinery that's left out in the fencerow to rot away in the weeds without any intention of fixing it up someday isn't doing anybody any good. If it's grandpa's F-20 and it has nostalgic value, then it should either be cared for properly by the family, sold to someone who will take good care of it or be hauled to the scrapper. A scrapper can be either a dismantler for parts or a smelter. Sounds blunt and maybe I'm a little too practical. Oh well!
Last winter I scrapped a good 105 Deere combine that I had to move out of the shed to make room for some newer machinery. I wasn't going to let it sit out and rot away so I advertised it for two weeks with only one faint nibble, then it was cut apart and ground up. Patience isn't one of my virtues. By next year it will have made the round trip to China and back in the form of some cheap trinket products but at least it's being used again. Jim
I don't collect junk. My farm is neat, clean and orderly on the outside. Just don't look in the buildings. It's a danger zone in there!
Old machinery that's left out in the fencerow to rot away in the weeds without any intention of fixing it up someday isn't doing anybody any good. If it's grandpa's F-20 and it has nostalgic value, then it should either be cared for properly by the family, sold to someone who will take good care of it or be hauled to the scrapper. A scrapper can be either a dismantler for parts or a smelter. Sounds blunt and maybe I'm a little too practical. Oh well!
Last winter I scrapped a good 105 Deere combine that I had to move out of the shed to make room for some newer machinery. I wasn't going to let it sit out and rot away so I advertised it for two weeks with only one faint nibble, then it was cut apart and ground up. Patience isn't one of my virtues. By next year it will have made the round trip to China and back in the form of some cheap trinket products but at least it's being used again. Jim
I think there are way more tractors around to be scrapped then people willing to restore them. More supply then demand.
There are plenty of pre-WWII cars, trucks and tractors around. Some still in fence rows. Obviously many vehicles slipped through the cracks during the big push to scrap steel for the war effort.
I don't see the scrapping going on today ending the collectors hobbies.
I wish everything was saved too. But, it just don't work that way. I see at least one auction a year of a huge collection of old tractors or cars, most go for scrap. Or guys grab one or two parts, then it goes.
Just my thoughts.
Rick
There are plenty of pre-WWII cars, trucks and tractors around. Some still in fence rows. Obviously many vehicles slipped through the cracks during the big push to scrap steel for the war effort.
I don't see the scrapping going on today ending the collectors hobbies.
I wish everything was saved too. But, it just don't work that way. I see at least one auction a year of a huge collection of old tractors or cars, most go for scrap. Or guys grab one or two parts, then it goes.
Just my thoughts.
Rick
RandyB(MI)
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I have found that most will do whatever they can to find an owner who will give more than scrap and scrap when that fails. One thing GOOD about scrappers is that they seem to have unlimited time on their hands to locate and dig this stuff out that otherwise would never be found! I don't mind paying for that service if it is something I have been wanting and no time to search the countryside. So I say to the scrappers , "keep digging that stuff out of the fence rows , just pass it by us hobbiests first". I'm dealling with one such individual right now and I'm glad he dug them out.
if someone is getting up there in years or that has no plans on using and fixing stuff that someone could scrap out. get rid of it to someone who would restore or make good use of the parts. before someone who is'nt into old tractors and cars wants to get rid of the old tractors,equipment, ect. to the scrapper after you die.
This part of the country there is just simply put more old tractors than their are buyers. When these farms change hands the collection of old ih m & Hs that are in the fence row go to the scrap yard at $ 245.00 per ton. I guess a lot depends on what part of the country you are in. Tennessee was a meca of small farms in the 50 & 60 so lots of old tractors still around.
Many people get tired of the cheap skates trying to buy for nothing. I had a running 1990 Olds 98 car. It ran and drove fine. AC and about half the power windows did not work but would have been a good work car. I tried to sell it for $500. Had several come buy and try me at $250. I got tired of it. Removed the good battery and loaded it up. Got $595 cash money no argument at the scrap yard.
Good friend used to make a fair living parting out Ford tractors. HE always had 20-30 setting around. HE quit selling to walk up customers two years ago. They wanted to give him half the junk Chinese price for good original parts. He now sells the rebuild-able core to a reman company and the better items he puts on Ebay at a buy it now price. If it does not sell in so long it goes to scrap. He told me he is making a much better living with far fewer hassles.
Good friend used to make a fair living parting out Ford tractors. HE always had 20-30 setting around. HE quit selling to walk up customers two years ago. They wanted to give him half the junk Chinese price for good original parts. He now sells the rebuild-able core to a reman company and the better items he puts on Ebay at a buy it now price. If it does not sell in so long it goes to scrap. He told me he is making a much better living with far fewer hassles.
buickanddeere
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Old tractors, vehicles, boats, tools and other collectibles. They appeal to those aged 35-65 who are feeling nostalgic for something from their youth. And these collectors are in a position where they have spare pocket money. Have room for projects, grew up on a farm and still have good health?
So just how much of the population out there would be interested in 1940's -1960's stuff?
Old collectors are now selling off 1930's to 1960's stuff due to age, health, $$$, death etc.Over supply into a dwindling market. Into a collector's market which is interested in 1960's-1980's items that were a big deal when they were young.
Car shows around here have a little of the old 1950's stuff but consist mostly on 1960's to 1980's vehicles.
Who wants old junk like a model T, model A, post war coupes or 57 Chev's etc ?
So just how much of the population out there would be interested in 1940's -1960's stuff?
Old collectors are now selling off 1930's to 1960's stuff due to age, health, $$$, death etc.Over supply into a dwindling market. Into a collector's market which is interested in 1960's-1980's items that were a big deal when they were young.
Car shows around here have a little of the old 1950's stuff but consist mostly on 1960's to 1980's vehicles.
Who wants old junk like a model T, model A, post war coupes or 57 Chev's etc ?
While I have a love for old iron also I recognize that there are those who feed their families with the fruits of their labor. Many are not worth saving and for those parting out and making spare parts available to the hobby, that is a win win for both sides. I for one am thankful for those outlets that supply our hobby with good used obsolete unavailable new, parts. Don't be to hard on the guys who scrap trying to live day to day and meet lifes financial and moral obligations like feeding his kids and making monthly payments as we all do, at least we are not giving him welfare and food stamps.
You did offer a fair price and nobody took it. I can see that. But unfortunatally most of these people want twice the price to a collector thta the scrap yard will give them and then they deliver it to the scrapyard. I had a guy that wanted $2500 for a stuck motor rotted rims Super MD Needed totally rebuilt. Said if I didnt take it he was taking to scrapper tomorrow. Even at todays prices he didnt get more than $600 for it if even that and he delivered it to the yard.
All these scrapping people on here say they get tired of collectors trying to take advantage of them and dicker on price when the scrapper gives them top dollar and no dicker. Well from my expierence it it those who scrap that try to take advantage of collectors and then when we cant pay their ransom prices they sneer at us and then scrap it to be spiteful.
Short of the one of a kind, limited production, odd ball, etc., the antique tractor market as we knew it has seen it's best days for several reasons.
B & D lays it pretty well. There is a dwendling number of folks with extra money that even know what these old tractors are all about. For instance, you have to dig deep in the younger generation to find anyone that even knows the term "pony motor", why it was used, etc. They could care less.
I guess we should start saving up all of the Ipods we can find, that is all they will really understand down the road.
B & D lays it pretty well. There is a dwendling number of folks with extra money that even know what these old tractors are all about. For instance, you have to dig deep in the younger generation to find anyone that even knows the term "pony motor", why it was used, etc. They could care less.
I guess we should start saving up all of the Ipods we can find, that is all they will really understand down the road.
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