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I'm a school teacher and I can tell to that the younger generation is, as a whole, just as good as gold. Different sure, but every generation is different. These kids are growing up in a world that no one could have imagined was coming. They will be just fine, and so will we.
Anonymous-0
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Guess you ain't half bad.............. Nice to see a half full glass amongst all the half empties........
Anonymous-0
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38 folks died. 22 seals, 8 that were prolly the crew, a civilian interpreter, and 7 Afghan Commandos.
A bit ago a frequent poster referred to today"s military inductees as having no direction in their lives, thus opting for the service. How wrong he was. Each of these SEALS represented years of dedicated training, like all others in Special Ops. Terrible loss, hard to replace.
Anonymous-0
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You musta been down in the basement listnin to that 20 year old college kid that's in control of his life and badmouthing the losers that serve and sacrifice while he serves burgers and offers advice on miltary strategy......
I wasn't saying that every person In the service did not have a sense of direction. I was saying that I wished more kids my age had a better work ethic and didn't use the military as a fall back when they couldn't make anything else work.
That being said. I send a prayer to those that have died in this terrible tragedy.
That being said. I send a prayer to those that have died in this terrible tragedy.
Anonymous-0
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sucks when some clown spouts off badmouths and gives comments on something/someone that he don't know the facts on .....don't it? You're still young enough to learn and use discretion in what you say and do. Don't miss the chance.
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There is an email tab at the bottom of all my posts.....
Traditional Farmer
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The real shame is their lives were lost in a War thats going nowhere and has become a total waste for the US and only kept going because the politicians can't figure out how to leave.
Billy Shafer
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They know how to leave. They just don't wanna do it.
1972 Nam Vet.
1972 Nam Vet.
In today's world, it's hard and probably rare that you get a HS diploma and walk out into a job that will give you a career path. But college is not for everyone. My daughters all went to college right out of HS. One had a boyfriend that didn't know what he wanted to do and was kind of aimless about his life. She broke up with him partly due to his partying and lack of purpose. He went into the Air Force and after 2 yrs came out with focus and purpose. He is finishing college and applying to Med school. They're back together now and it appears to be a good lasting relationship. Going into the military was a great move for him and several others that I know.
I don't think it's a bad thing that kids who are not sure what they want to do in life opt for the military. The military teaches young people skills that were routinely taught in apprenticeship programs that are dwindling.
I also don't think the military is simply a "job-training" program. I admire those that serve with dedication and put their lives on the line like the servicemen who died over the weekend. Very sorry for the loss to their families and our country. I just don't think our leaders consider the individual consequences of their decisions to exercise our military might.
By this I mean that the current war in Afghanistan bears a striking resemblance to the war of my youth (Vietnam). It is a quagmire with little likelihood that we'll be able to declare a "victory" on any day in the future and leave with the knowledge that what we're doing there will have a lasting impact. This is in contrast to Iraq which appears to be able to sustain a civilized society after we leave. I just don't think the Afghan people have the will and backbone to stand up to the Taliban when the chips are down.
I don't think it's a bad thing that kids who are not sure what they want to do in life opt for the military. The military teaches young people skills that were routinely taught in apprenticeship programs that are dwindling.
I also don't think the military is simply a "job-training" program. I admire those that serve with dedication and put their lives on the line like the servicemen who died over the weekend. Very sorry for the loss to their families and our country. I just don't think our leaders consider the individual consequences of their decisions to exercise our military might.
By this I mean that the current war in Afghanistan bears a striking resemblance to the war of my youth (Vietnam). It is a quagmire with little likelihood that we'll be able to declare a "victory" on any day in the future and leave with the knowledge that what we're doing there will have a lasting impact. This is in contrast to Iraq which appears to be able to sustain a civilized society after we leave. I just don't think the Afghan people have the will and backbone to stand up to the Taliban when the chips are down.
The problem with leaving is that the terrorist are not the NVA. The terrorist/taliban will claim a huge victory if we just up and leave and use it as a recrutiing tool.......that in turn will cause us more problems down the road. I don't think there is an easy solution at this point and time short of putting a small nuke in someplace.
And yea I'm one of those guys who served cause I'm a loser and had no direction in my life.........me thinks someone needs to get a grip!
Rick (US Army ret)
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Not bad being a loser with a pension and some benefits and still young enough to do something else if you want huh????? Sure wish I'da stuck it out to retirement but hindsight is 20/20...
LOL no not bad. I found out I liked it and getting to play on tanks even made it better! But to some I'm just another guy on government dole....I think that they don't look at the fact the government made a contract with me and are just filling out their end of the contract....I'd like to see some of them on long deployments, working 10 to 18 hours days to pick up their welfafe checks!
Rick
I have the greatest respect for those who serve our country,they do things i never would want to do.but I also worry that there is no way out of this mess over there.and there will be no clear winners.The middle east is a different world than here.like lawrance said "you dont buy loyalty in the middle east,you rent it".you kill one enemy and you make two more.and dont forget we are fighting an idea just as much as soldiers.thats nearly impossible to defeat anytime.while we keep swearing we are not fighting a religeous war, over there religeon( make that FAITH,not religeon,HUGE difference) ,is so closely ingrained in those folks daily lives its very hard to seperate.and regardless of how or when we pull out they will claim victory.I pray for our soldiers,of all branches,they have a extremely tough row to hoe there,and it must be extremely frustrating.
I dont really agree that the afgan people dont have the backbone to stand up,they stood up to the russians for years,they are standing up to the US very well now.and they have stood up for most of their history very very well.The problem there is in no way a lack of courage.The problem is a fuedal way of everyday life.and a belief system thats been ingrained for centuries.you forget,the afgan people did not declare war on the US,a very small group with hatered towards us did.WE are the interlopers in their country,We demanded that the taliban assist us,WE are fighting the taliban simply because they did not bow to our wishes,and turn over al-quida.Until then we could have cared less what they did,and in fact supported them! Thats the real problem here ,how do you change these people who have fought invaders for most of their history?how do you tell a young person 10-12 years old or younger that you killed his father because he didnt agree with us, and then walk away leaving him to listen to the people he respects most tell him ,every day ,day and night otherwise?no ,theres no clear answers there,in that place.we ,and are our soldiers are unfortunatly just someone passing through.to win a war you have to win both physically AND mentally.very hard to do there.you simply dont walk into the hindu kush and change folks mind set.
I think the whole key to this is education. Their idea of education for the masses is teaching then to memorize the Koran.......boys only. They don't teach the average person to read or write. But how do we impose our idea of education on them.....or but what right do we do this. Just like out trying to impose our idea of government on them. Hey if they want a king let em have a king.
Just my thoughs on it...
Rick
What stopped the fighting in Germany & Japan? We & the English destroyed the will of the people to fight. Could be done there too. Nobody willing to do it & deal with the fall out. And I don't just mean the radio active part.......mounds of civilian casualties, etc. plus the USA is still dumping cash in those places 70 years and going.
Unlike Americans the Afghans know their history. The watched the US quit in Vietnam and what it allowed to happen to is former allies. While millions died they saw the audience at the Academy Awards cheer the news that the South Vietnam has fallen.
The Afghans know that the Americans will leave (external_link promised they would) and they will be left to deal with the Taliban.
A couple things to consider, the US force in Afghanistan is an all volunteer force that signed up during conflict knowing they have a high probability of going. In Vietnam the armed forces were about 75% volunteer and 25% drafted, but the "greatest generation" only had about 40% volunteer to fight WW2.
The Afghans know that the Americans will leave (external_link promised they would) and they will be left to deal with the Taliban.
A couple things to consider, the US force in Afghanistan is an all volunteer force that signed up during conflict knowing they have a high probability of going. In Vietnam the armed forces were about 75% volunteer and 25% drafted, but the "greatest generation" only had about 40% volunteer to fight WW2.
i've said that all along,that education is the key, but what education? who determines the curricluem,us ,them ,a mixture of the two?.but then again how do you educate a entire population when as soon as our military force moves out,the local folks in power moves in and either kills the teachers who teach (so called ) western studies, or burns the schools completly?its simply a hard call.most folks dont realize that not so long ago they were building the inferstructure of their country,had one of the highest educated publics in the world ,higher even than our own.when the russians moved in they were well on their way to becoming a real country on the world scene,despite having less rescources than most.and we also tend to forget it was the US that set the taliban up in power DESPITE a large portion of the afgan public being against it.while we mourn for our nations soldiers who were killed there,you really have to remember that quite a number of those lost this weekend were afgans,volunteer soldiers just like ours,with even more at stake, fighting for their freedoms right along side our own.I think we tend to forget them ,,
Tx Jim
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Hey Dave what does "prolly" stand for? Is that a German word?
Anonymous-0
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You still got your feelings hurt cause you felt I insulted your intelligence.... get over it. So you went to college..Good on ya, college in TX is about thge same as junior high in most other states tho ain't it? Don't get the big head.
And don't get all huffy, just pokin a little fun.
Tx Jim
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I guess you graduated from Harvard or Yale? Here I thought I was being nice by not bringing up "spell check"!!!!!!!!! Look who's getting their undies bundled in a wad. So I guess you can't take a little ribbing. :lol:
Anonymous-0
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That's the hard part about internet forums, folks can't see each other and the expressions..... I very seldom get (at least stay) upset, and almost never get upset about folks' posts on a forum. I just say what I have to say at the moment and move on. Don't do any good to hold a grudge cause I'd just forget what it was about.......We're good.
Anonymous-0
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Naaaa, I graduated from high school with 124 other idiots............. Looking around, listening, and reading what some of you edumacated folks do kinda makes me glad I decided to join the army and stay dumb......
They should've send a nuke in there first time around and turn the place into a glass ashtray.
Afganisthan has not been conquered since Alexander the great(i don't know why they called that murderous phsicopath "great",..but)
These afghan people are a few bricks short of a load(must be the living like a mountain goat i guess).The only english words they know is Kill and deceit.
Afganisthan has not been conquered since Alexander the great(i don't know why they called that murderous phsicopath "great",..but)
These afghan people are a few bricks short of a load(must be the living like a mountain goat i guess).The only english words they know is Kill and deceit.
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