750bu wagons

looking at purchasing two brent 744 gravity wagons. when talking to my neighbor about this he said the the DOT wouldnt allow these for hauling grain to town to my local co-op. said that they exceed the weight limit, but ive never heard of a weight limit for wagons. if anyone has some info please let me kno or what they suggest.

Get a truck!!

Check this out. It says 24000 per axle part of the yearand 28000 per axle part of the year.

You may be okay with the 750bu wagons.

You must obey posted bridge limits though.
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The one big problem with 744 is it is very wide. You need tires with the right weight rating on it.

What is the Iowa weight limit per axle?
Around here it's

Single Axle (Single Tires)
9,000 kg/19,845lbs

– Single Axle (Dual Tires)
10,000 kg/22050lbs

7120lb for the wagon and approx 48750lbs in wet corn. 28 ton without brakes is a lot of weight and inertia for any tractor.

Come now if they werent legal how can they sell them. Ive pulled the next size smaller laoded high with 20% corn and the brakes work just fine you do need duals if pulling un the driveway out of the field and its a good idea in the fields also.

They have brakes work on the tounge pressure and they do work well.

If I were you I would pass on the wagons. Weight of tractor plus wagon loaded you will be in the 80000lbs range and that to much for a tractor to handle on the road. If you put this wagon behind a tandom axle truck loaded the DOT could get you for being overloaded. Here in Ohio if you pull one on the road it better be empty, Pulling one loaded could get real harry fast. Bandit

Lots of guys hauling grain that way in Iowa. Dot has cracked down on the old trucks and semi's, The dot can't touch ya hauling your own grain. I see big Case IH's hauling two and JD 8000 series doing the same and have even seen a guy hauling 2 with a 1486. Some have push/surge brakes on the tongues.

There is no weight limit on farm equipment in Ontario, and bridge limits don't apply. Like IaGary says, looks like your limit is 48000-56000 per wagon.

I've read in the farm magazines anything over 600bu probably isn't legal anywhere in the country. Some areas turn more of a blind eye to farm implements that are less than a semi....

Axle limits, and you probably have some tread width limits?

You are allowed 'x' amount of weight per inch of width of tire. For a while we would see duals on some gravety boxes in a county 2 south of me - to meet their requirements for tread width. Just looked it up, you are allowed 500 lbs of weight per inch of tire width in MN.

My county in MN, they bought portable scales for the county cars a few years ago, and they do work hard to make those scales pay off....

Often you can call a 800 number to your state patrol and get good answers, as far as state law. I've heard Iowa is good at doing that with good info for you.


In Iowa, according to a quick read of the last few pages of this flier, it appears garvety wagons in Iowa are exempt from weight limits, tho bridges might be a problem.

http://www.iowadot.gov/mvd/omve/truckguide.pdf

--->Paul

The local friendly DOT officer has been stopping the larger gravity wagons and grain carts for the last two years. You have to obey the weight laws just like any one else. You can see the damage by the grain carts all over the county. Many roads with the shoulders broken off of them by guys running loaded grain carts on the road and having to get over to let traffic go by.

He ticketed one farmer for crossing the road between two of his own fields. The farmer"s wagons and tractor weight over 80,000 lbs.( Close to 135,000 lbs) He got ticketed for gross weight and axle weight. Cost him right at $3500 for the ticket.

I usually would think that that was crazy but this farmer had ruts cut across the road Where he was spinning to pull two 750 bushel wagons up and over the road. He asked for that ticket by destroying the road.

I find it real funny how the "smart" big farmers are hauling grain. They take a $150,000 tractor with duals all way around. Then put one or two 750 bushel wagons that cost $20,000 each. So lets say two wagons plus the tractor.: 2 x $20,000= $40,000+$150,000= $ 190,000. So that is a big cost to just haul grain. You buy a few year old Semi for $25-35k and a new hopper trailer for under $35,000. So for $70,000 you can move the grain twice as fast at a much lower cost. Talked to a fellow the other day that has MX305 CIH tractor. He just had to replace all of the tires at 1200 hours of use. The cost??? $15,000 it is dualed front and back. He said that they wore the tires out hauling grain. They just bought two semi/trailer rigs.

Here in Iowa you can still haul your own grain without a CDL if you don"t cross state lines. IF you run farm tags the license in not that bad either. Then you can have a safe way to move grain.

Also have considered big wagons (probably more like 600-650 bu) and the 750's are probably legal, but how about the future? Not sure they would be grandfathered-in as DOT tightens the noose. Could always load them lighter, but that defeats buying them that big.

I've helped a friend pull 2 large kil-bro's gravity wagons with corn with his 5288 w/FWA. The tail definitely wags the dog with that much when you try to stop. He bought a used semi pretty cheap and has been using that instead. He probably has a much in the whole semi as he has in the 2 new boxes with gear and tires. Used semi's are pretty reasonable (buyer beware of course).

Already got two demco 650 wagons and the tractor (7120mfwd) handles them just fine and never had trouble stopping the brakes are quite wonderful.. We only live six miles from the co-op so a truck doesnt seem worth it..looking at two 744 brents to add to the fleet for hauling so we can move grain faster..no bridges to worry about so just needed to know if a 750bushel wagon was legal for road use.

I like your Math JD SELLER,New tractor "JUST" to haul grain??.I have 3 11-1200Bu.rigs plus several smaller combos.and don't have any more in them total then your one wagon price.(All less than 8 yrs.old.)As far as the tire deal,just yearly semi expense cost will buy a lot of tires.I need the storage space to run the combine all day(by myself) so some of the big wagon expence is charged off as it would take 5 or 6 semis to do the same thing plus trying to get them out of the fields.Too many semis are being bought due to peer pressure and keeping up with the Jones as a lot of them don't use over 1 or 2 tanks of fuel and a couple thousand miles a year.But I'am a nobody and not trying to impress anybody and yes I have a 650Bu. tandem that I didn't tag this year and may not either.

I was under the impression that wagon axles are considered trailer axles in the highway traffic act. I'd like to see it in writing that farm wagons are exempt.
As for weight limits? 30 ton of farm equipment on a 5 ton bridge is about as bright as 30 tons of highway truck on a 5 ton bridge.

I have a 600 bushel brent that I pull with a 85 hp. CaseIH. Haul all my grain to market here in So. Minnesota. As far as I know all manufacturers have brakes on wagons of that size. Mine works wonderful. Pull it up and down state highways with state troopers going by all the time; they never blink an eye.

I alreadly have two demco 650 wagons that I pull with a mfwd 7120..handles them just fine. We live bout six miles from local co-op so a truck seems pointless..lookin at the two 744 wagons to move even more grain to keep up with growing yields.

Here's the link to the MTO's website. Most important line: "Farm equipment is exempt from the maximum width, length and weight rules when operated on a road singularly or in combination"
MTO Farm Guide

Thanks. Excellent info, saved that in my files.