GAS I AM CONFUSED

JR Frye

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Guys my wife and I went for Breakfast this morning: Two guys sitting behind us was talking about there riding lawn mowers. One guy ask the other what kind of gas do you use in your mower? He replied SUPPER UNLEADED Plus for every 5gal I add a ½ of cup Lead concentrate, The other said he use’s Ethanol unleaded:
Guys I am really confused right now. Maybe I am using the wrong gas: I don’t know.
I use supper unleaded in my riding mower is that the right gas to use? I do know some gas’s will eat up mower carburetors and carburetors gaskets. But I did not think supper unleaded would.
WHAT’S YOUR THOUGHTS
Many Thanks Guys
JR FRYE
 
Go to the station with a 5 gal pail and buy regular octane gas. Put into your tractor and stop worrying about it. Trust me, I've been burning whatever was the cheapest in a 31 year old tractor (Cub Cadet 1650) and the Kohler engine is still not burning oil or otherwise and that's about 2500 hours on a gas engine. Most of my equipment is older and I have never lost an engine to gas or oil. Don't listen to them for they know not what they're talking about. Change oil regular and walla, no worries.
 
(quoted from post at 13:41:50 07/12/11)
Guys my wife and I went for Breakfast this morning: Two guys sitting behind us was talking about there riding lawn mowers. One guy ask the other what kind of gas do you use in your mower? He replied SUPPER UNLEADED Plus for every 5gal I add a ½ of cup Lead concentrate, The other said he use’s Ethanol unleaded:
Guys I am really confused right now. Maybe I am using the wrong gas: I don’t know.
I use supper unleaded in my riding mower is that the right gas to use? I do know some gas’s will eat up mower carburetors and carburetors gaskets. But I did not think supper unleaded would.
WHAT’S YOUR THOUGHTS
Many Thanks Guys
JR FRYE

I've been using the ethanol E10 in everything I own, including lawnmowers and weedeaters, for about 30 years now. I've never had a fuel related problem with any of them. I am now experimenting with E85. So far, no problems with that either.
 
Any gas that is fresh is fine. Some people obsess too much. Chainsaws / two strokes often require premium, check the manual. My stihl is supposed to run premium, gets regular when I don't have fresh premium. We have 0 - 10 % ethanol.
 
as long as you don't let it sit most gas is fine...the problem with the ethanol blends is that they collect moisture if they sit, when you are done with your mower for the year--drain the gas and winterize--some use stabil etc...
 
Locally the Citgo and Kwik Trip sell premium uleaded no ethanol gas- and my old Goldwing needs it since fuel pump and carbs are not ethanol certified- carb rebuild and new fuel pump 2 years back was a few $100. The 2 stroke chainsaws unless less than 2 years(?) old and marked ethanol certified need this premium also- or the regular non ethanol available at a couple specialty stations. Older lawntractors- no ethanol, newer than 1990 MAY be ethanol capable- need to check manuals. One hassle was California market until 2005 or so didn"t use much ethanol and CARB didn"t check for offroad- they used MTBE as octane booster until it was declared cancer causing a few years back. Premium isn"t needed in most small engines- but premium may be the only non ethanol gas easily available in the market area. I can get non ethanol regular in many stations in Iowa- but a couple that don"t have the extra tank will have only ethanol mix like the one nearest to older brother. RN
 
I've always used the cheapest gasoline in all I own from a '59 MF35, '88 Silverado, something-or-other riding mower, and '07 Impala. No problems. I did use aviation gas in my Cessna though. Thank God and Greyhound it got gone before gas went sky high. TDF
 
Supper unleaded? That's the kind of gas you get when you don't take Beano before your eat gassy foods for dinner.
 
In some parts of the world such as New Zealand unleaded gasoline (petrol) has been unavailable for over 11 years. Illegal to sell the stuff.
 
Anything air cooled should have premium. Run them a little lean by accident or a wee bit of dirt in the fuel. The engine will burn a piston or scuff a cylinder wall.
They have low enough consumption anyways that a couple of bucks difference in price shouldn't break you.
We use 100LL for seasonal equipment here. No ethanol to worry about.
 
I run nothing but 89 octane Conoco/66/76 fuel as I never know when the fuel may be needed for a Stihl, Echo, or Husky two stroke engine. THEY ALL MUST USE 89 MINIMUN or engine damage will happen. Also when I get fuel in a can it get Sta-Bil ethanol formula ( BLUE COLOR ) as I never know if the fuel will be used in 10 Min's, 10 hour, 10 days, 10 weeks, or 10 months. This has pretty much stopped any fuel related carb problem. My OLD Mac 80-A trimmer sat all winter with 89 fuel in it. When I went to start it for the first trim job of the year, I closed the choke pulled the rope ten time and she was running. The fuel is a 40 to one mix using Poulan/Weedeater oil from Wally World. The 2 stroke oil also has a fuel stabilizer in it.

Kent
 
For the last 5 years I've used E10 87 octain in everything from my Shindawa pole saw and weedeater to Husky chainsaws, my pickups and my AC D19. I The only problem I have is that ethanol is less fuel efficient. I always run the small engines until they are dry and never have had a problem with any of them running.
 
I run 87 octane in all 2 and 4 stroke engines. Been using the lowest grade for 30+ yrs. Some 2 stroke equipment is from the 90"s with more than 5000 hours for sure and some mowers are from mid/late 80"s with 10,000 hours and never been apart. I think dirty/missing air filters and general poor maintenance is the worst for small engines. I move up the service interval on all my equipment and am pretty tough about it and I think it works. My 2 cents.
 
Have you had any "problems" with the gas you have been using all these years? If not,why are you confused? Keep doing what you"re doing.

I"ve ran 87 octane gas in my mowers for many years and haven"t had a problem that I"ve contributed to "wrong gas" or too low octane gas.

The fellow that said he runs "lead concentrate" is mis-informed or ignorant.There"s no such thing on the market,only lead SUBSTITUTE,which is really only a waste of money and not needed.
 
Thats what you get for eaves droping more wild tales for confusion. Realy who cares what they use just follow the manufactures instructions and every thing will be fine.
 
Thats what you get for eaves droping more wild tales for confusion. Realy who cares what they use just follow the manufactures instructions and every thing will be fine.
 
rustyfarmall, did you change the jets or just dump in the E85? The reason I ask is I accidentally filled the lawn mower with tractor gas (E-85). It ran decent, but had that familiar smell to the exhaust and it ran really hot (way lean). I figured it out after a few minutes and dumped it before causing damage.
 
You're kind of mixing things up. Lead content, ethanol content and octane are three different things. Related but different.

First, the guy who said he put "lead concentrate" in his gas didn't know what he was talking about. The only way you can buy tetraethyl lead is mixed in with 100LL avgas. Forget about lead, you don't need it and you don't want it.

Ethanol content isn't something you have a lot of control over. In some states premium unleaded may be ethanol-free, while in other states ethanol is required in all fuel grades. If you can get ethanol-free gas, do so. If you can't, then you can't. You can test your fuel to see if it has ethanol in it, but don't assume your supplier will tell you the truth. They may not even know.

Octane is important, but most small engines will run fine on 87 pump number fuel. Using premium is a good idea, because it's not that much extra money for the amount you'll burn in a small engine and the extra octane gives you a safety margin in case you get a bad batch of gas. Also premium will usually have more detergent additives and less ethanol than regular. Note that most outdoor power equipment manuals list the minimum octane as Research Octane Number (RON), which is higher than the equivalent pump number. That may lead you to believe you need premium fuel when regular will do just fine.
 
I use 87 octane unleaded in everything I've got. If I use 89 octane 10% ethanol blend in my 6.8L V10 Ford it will drop 3 miles per gallon right off the top. It is thirsty enough, I'll use the 87.
 
Your confused and doubting yourself because you overheard two complete guys who you know absolutly nothing about talking about what they use in their lawnmowers?
 
It must still depend where you live as far as EPA standards and blends are concerned.

Back in the '90's is when they really got to rockin and rollin with that designer blend anti-pollution gasoline. If there were so many people that lived in your county, that helped dictate the severity of the designer gas. If industry in your county was tabbed with certain levels of pollution, that also dictated the severity of the designer gas. Back then and in the early 2000's, I lived and owned in Romeoville, Will County, IL and got murdered by that special designer anti-pollution blend. First, there were towns that exceeded 100,000 like Joliet, so designer gasoline for that. Then there was a designer gasoline refinery in Lockport/Romeoville that was a heavy polluter itself, so another level of designer gasoline for it and the three fossil power plants, and other industries. Here are some examples of that special designer gasoline...I had a mower that I had to clean the carburator after every three mows. No joke. New when I got it, mowed the grass up to three times, mower would run so bad would have to take the carb off and clean it. Got so mad after a couple of seasons of that, that I ran down to Home Depot in Joliet to buy a new mower. The guy asked me what I had in mind, and I told him my problem. He told me that he would be glad to sell me a new mower like he did many others, take my $$$, but my real problem was the designer anti-pollution gumming up my carb, most noticeable on small engines. I didn't buy a new mower from him, but instead cleaned my carb one last time, and began importing my gasoline from my other home in rural Indiana where the population was down and was few industries. Never had another problem ever with my mower gumming up and that was over several seasons. The same with both of my Harleys. Fill them up in or around Will County, and they would spit and pop and carry on badly, so I imported premium from home in Indiana as well, and they ran great. But with them I had to compromise because riding the roads of Illinois went through gas and required fillups, but the last fillups before crusing home, I would fill up with just enough to get me home, then fill the tanks with non-designer anti-pollution gasoline, and never had problems. I hear that isn't true anymore, but I know that it is because my small mowers for trimming still have no problems with the gas in rural Indiana or lower Michigan, and I know that they haven't gotten away from that lousy designer gas in much more densely and polluted Lake County, IN or anywhere boardering the Chicagoland suburbs or collar counties. To be honest with you, I'm surpised that gasoline even lights without a blow torch is so lousy burning. But, they say that its good for the environment, so good as a matter of fact that it hurts performance and economy, ultimately milage, and thats why you have to use much more of it than non-designer blends, and burning more of that pollutes much, much, much less in the same way that global warming now causes blizzards to hear it told by politicians and scientists that get federal money to pay their mortgages, so they "depend on global warming" so that they can keep generating reports that cause more funding to pay their mortgages. The bigger the report, the more funding, the bigger the home and payment.

Anyway, what kind of gas you use depends on where you live. I use premium in everything gasoline powered, except the push mowers for trimming, but its a toss up. Premium gets me better performance, but costs on an average of 20 cents per gallon. Regular costs 20 cents less per gallon, but the performance and economy aren't there. I use premium and go for performance and angering tree huggers, which generally is a good performance in itself.

Good luck.

Mark
 
Think Buick and Deere got it right. Seems like premium(higher octane)burns slower and evenly as compared to lower octane. Probably premium burns cooler. That ping you used to hear is caused by gasoline burning too fast. Dave
 
Most people are misinformed, or just plain make stuff up on their own, when it comes to gasoline and ethanol "knowledge" and "fact." Even major small engine manufacturers perpetuate these myths in their owner's manuals to cover their butts on warranty claims.

There's no sense in trying to set things straight because you won't listen to documented scientific fact and logic. The old farmers yakking away over their morning coffee at the local diner obviously know more about it.
 
In some parts of the world such as New Zealand UNLEADED gasoline (petrol) has been unavailable for over 11 years. Illegal to sell the stuff.

Surely this should read "LEADED"

No wonder there is confusion
 
(quoted from post at 18:43:27 07/12/11) rustyfarmall, did you change the jets or just dump in the E85? The reason I ask is I accidentally filled the lawn mower with tractor gas (E-85). It ran decent, but had that familiar smell to the exhaust and it ran really hot (way lean). I figured it out after a few minutes and dumped it before causing damage.

On my 1940 Farmall H I had to open the high speed idle adjustment screw to a total of 4 full turns out. Nothing else was required, although I am playing with the ignition timing. I advanced it slightly to take advantage of the higher octane and I think I can advance it even more. I don't have any specifics on how much.
 
Australia is a little ahead..... Leaded has been phased out because the lead was appearing in the blood of school children.Now use unleaded with an additive for the valves on some engines. No confusion there. I think NZ would be doing the same.
 
> Most people are misinformed, or just plain make stuff up on their own.

That's the truth. Gut feelings nnalert facts any day and the people who get paid to market products know that better than anyone.
 
You can be certain when bring home a couple 5 gallon Jerry cans of aviation fuel from the airport.
It was clean coming out of the pump. Contained no water or alcohol. Will never cause varnish or gum.
The price difference is negligible. I can't see any reason to be so cheap and try to save a couple of measly bucks. And risk a gasoline related failure.
 

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