We are creating our own problems!!!!!!! (Long rant) LOL

JDseller

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All of us wanting the "cheapest" deal is creating a much worst local business climate. WE all want the cheapest we can find in the whole wide world. THANK YOU Internet!!! We give lip service to quality but in reality too many of us look at price only.

Take this web site. ( I am not bashing this site. I like this site I am just using it as a example) You can look at their business several ways:

1) If you order here you are moving your money away from a more local supplier. Now in this case it is still in the US. Too many times it is out of the country. IT still is changing the economic flow if your local community. Many of us that live in the rural area complain about there not being any stores left in our towns. Guess who caused this??? US!!!!! It started out as the bigger grocery store had meat a nickle a pound cheap, Lowes lumber 10% cheaper than the local lumber yard, and etc. Businesses will still service customers if they will pay enough for them to make a profit.

2) This site provides this forum for many of us old tractor guys for no charge. I hope we try to do business with them to help them stay in business. I wonder if a similar site had the same exact products BUT at 5% less in price. How many would still buy here???? I will say that rural people cut their own throat too many times. We are raised from birth to save and seek out the best deal. What we forget is the the best deal is not always the cheapest one. I often buy my hardware items at the local lumber yard/hardware store. Yes I pay more but I want them to still be there when I don"t want to drive sixty miles round trip for some small item. YOU HAVE to give them more business than just the little stuff or they will not be there in the future. I do not want Home Depo and Lowes to be the only place that I can get things. Try to get the washers for a fifty year old water hydrant at Home Depo some time.

We complain that the America of today is not the same as the one we grew up in. That is a correct statement. The problem is that we made the changes that we don"t like. We started going to the other stores because they where cheaper. All of the time thinking to our selves "It would not hurt anything. It was just this little thing. Plus everyone else will still buy locally" Well too many of us thought that way. So the local guy goes out of business.

I want each of you to think about the following situation. I worked at a Implement dealer. We where old school. We tried to keep what we sold in stock, not just order it when ever someone wanted one. One of the pieces of equipment was Buffalo TMR wagons. We kept one of each model in stock. That tied up about $150,000 in inventory. We had another dealer about fifteen miles away that did not stock any new feeder wagons. He kept a few parts but not one new wagon. I had a farmer call me and wanted to try out one of the TMR wagons, his was broken down and was a different brand. So I dropped everything and ran him down a wagon so he could do his evening feeding. He called me two days later. He really liked the Buffalo TMR wagon and wanted a price to trade. I figured up a price. I was making a $2000 dollar profit on a $30,000 wagon. HE waited for two more day to call me back. So he had been using a brand new TMW wagon for four days for free. He said to just leave the wagon at his farm. He was going to buy it off of the other dealer??????? WTF He said the other dealer was $1000 dollars cheaper. That dealer told him he would just transfer the wagon from us and sell it to him. I bet he would, $1000 profit and no inventory or setup cost. Well I jumped in the dealership"s roll back truck and went straight down to the farmer"s place. I walked right up to the TMR wagon and unhooked it. He was trying to load it. I just put the jack down and pulled the hoses/PTO off. I told him he had had better move his tractor or I would drag it out of the way. I hooked up to the wagon. He was yelling at me that I could not take "his" wagon. He had already paid the other dealer. I said that was between him and the other dealer. We owned this one not the other dealer. Plus it was up to us not Buffalo whether we transfered a piece of equipment. I also told him I knew that Buffalo had a eight week back log on getting a new TMR wagon. I wished him luck getting his money/wagon out of the other dealer in time to feed the rest of his cattle that day. So he was trying to "save" $1000 on a wagon that We had paid for and let him Demo for free. I guess making a 7-8% profit was too high for him.

What many of you don"t know is that with many short line companies the dealer must pay for the equipment/parts within 10 days of invoice to get the deal discount. We sold a manure spreader line that we would have to pay for the spreaders we had not even gotten yet because they had shipped but where in transit. Plus very few short line companies floor plan new equipment any more.

That dealership slowly quit keeping new short line equipment because of farmers like the one I told you about. So is it the dealership"s fault when the farmer refuses let him make enough of a profit to stock it???? How many of you just have to save that three cents on a gallon of gas but then complain that the local service station quits selling gas??? Sound familiar???

I want to hear what you think on this. I just had to order some sweeper parts from a thousand miles away because the local dealer we bought ours from is no longer in business. He said everyone was just buying the cheap junk at Wally World and getting a new one every few years. No one would pay the extra money to get one that would last. So I ordered $5.95 of parts and paid $6.25 to get it shipped. I would have gladly have given the local guy $20.00 just to have it fixed today.
 
I'm with you 100%. If I can get it from a local place that's where I buy. I'm in my local hardware every week, local family owned auto parts gets all my business if they have it. I went to NAPA once about four years ago. Wally world maybe twice a year. Home Depot maybe four. All my modern Ag parts come from nearest dealer if they have it. I haven't been to a chain restaurant in probably 15 years, except for fast food at lunch once in awhile. My local business prospered for 25 years because other local businesses bought from me so I have always returned the favor.
 
I agree 100% with what you have said and the problem that exists today has been a LONG time coming. Nobody looks at the long term at all for anything, even major purchases. I'm sure all of us that run old tractors can agree that they just don't make much of anything like they used to.
I'm afraid though that there is not much we can do to change it now. I have tried over and over to shop locally for parts for my tractor, snowblower, outboard motor, vehicle etc. etc. Sometimes I can get the parts quickly and that is well worth the little extra I might pay. More often than not the dealer will say "yeah we can order it for you, probably take a week to ten days to get here". Well I can order it too and it will be here a lot quicker than that.......cheaper too.
 
I agree with you about 50% of the time.

But the other 50%, seems the local businesses go out of their way to offend me when I try to buy local.....

Seems to be s shared blame there.

--->Paul
 
(quoted from post at 09:08:22 06/14/11) All of us wanting the "cheapest" deal is creating a much worst local business climate. WE all want the cheapest we can find in the whole wide world. THANK YOU Internet!!! We give lip service to quality but in reality too many of us look at price only.

Take this web site. ( I am not bashing this site. I like this site I am just using it as a example) You can look at their business several ways:

1) If you order here you are moving your money away from a more local supplier. Now in this case it is still in the US. Too many times it is out of the country. IT still is changing the economic flow if your local community. Many of us that live in the rural area complain about there not being any stores left in our towns. Guess who caused this??? US!!!!! It started out as the bigger grocery store had meat a nickle a pound cheap, Lowes lumber 10% cheaper than the local lumber yard, and etc. Businesses will still service customers if they will pay enough for them to make a profit.

2) This site provides this forum for many of us old tractor guys for no charge. I hope we try to do business with them to help them stay in business. I wonder if a similar site had the same exact products BUT at 5% less in price. How many would still buy here???? I will say that rural people cut their own throat too many times. We are raised from birth to save and seek out the best deal. What we forget is the the best deal is not always the cheapest one. I often buy my hardware items at the local lumber yard/hardware store. Yes I pay more but I want them to still be there when I don"t want to drive sixty miles round trip for some small item. YOU HAVE to give them more business than just the little stuff or they will not be there in the future. I do not want Home Depo and Lowes to be the only place that I can get things. Try to get the washers for a fifty year old water hydrant at Home Depo some time.

We complain that the America of today is not the same as the one we grew up in. That is a correct statement. The problem is that we made the changes that we don"t like. We started going to the other stores because they where cheaper. All of the time thinking to our selves "It would not hurt anything. It was just this little thing. Plus everyone else will still buy locally" Well too many of us thought that way. So the local guy goes out of business.

I want each of you to think about the following situation. I worked at a Implement dealer. We where old school. We tried to keep what we sold in stock, not just order it when ever someone wanted one. One of the pieces of equipment was Buffalo TMR wagons. We kept one of each model in stock. That tied up about $150,000 in inventory. We had another dealer about fifteen miles away that did not stock any new feeder wagons. He kept a few parts but not one new wagon. I had a farmer call me and wanted to try out one of the TMR wagons, his was broken down and was a different brand. So I dropped everything and ran him down a wagon so he could do his evening feeding. He called me two days later. He really liked the Buffalo TMR wagon and wanted a price to trade. I figured up a price. I was making a $2000 dollar profit on a $30,000 wagon. HE waited for two more day to call me back. So he had been using a brand new TMW wagon for four days for free. He said to just leave the wagon at his farm. He was going to buy it off of the other dealer??????? WTF He said the other dealer was $1000 dollars cheaper. That dealer told him he would just transfer the wagon from us and sell it to him. I bet he would, $1000 profit and no inventory or setup cost. Well I jumped in the dealership"s roll back truck and went straight down to the farmer"s place. I walked right up to the TMR wagon and unhooked it. He was trying to load it. I just put the jack down and pulled the hoses/PTO off. I told him he had had better move his tractor or I would drag it out of the way. I hooked up to the wagon. He was yelling at me that I could not take "his" wagon. He had already paid the other dealer. I said that was between him and the other dealer. We owned this one not the other dealer. Plus it was up to us not Buffalo whether we transfered a piece of equipment. I also told him I knew that Buffalo had a eight week back log on getting a new TMR wagon. I wished him luck getting his money/wagon out of the other dealer in time to feed the rest of his cattle that day. So he was trying to "save" $1000 on a wagon that We had paid for and let him Demo for free. I guess making a 7-8% profit was too high for him.

What many of you don"t know is that with many short line companies the dealer must pay for the equipment/parts within 10 days of invoice to get the deal discount. We sold a manure spreader line that we would have to pay for the spreaders we had not even gotten yet because they had shipped but where in transit. Plus very few short line companies floor plan new equipment any more.

That dealership slowly quit keeping new short line equipment because of farmers like the one I told you about. So is it the dealership"s fault when the farmer refuses let him make enough of a profit to stock it???? How many of you just have to save that three cents on a gallon of gas but then complain that the local service station quits selling gas??? Sound familiar???

I want to hear what you think on this. I just had to order some sweeper parts from a thousand miles away because the local dealer we bought ours from is no longer in business. He said everyone was just buying the cheap junk at Wally World and getting a new one every few years. No one would pay the extra money to get one that would last. So I ordered $5.95 of parts and paid $6.25 to get it shipped. I would have gladly have given the local guy $20.00 just to have it fixed today.

Okay, so now that you have gotten that out, do you feel any better? I don't blame you one bit for what you did. You were probably more upset about having to do it that way than he was.You are exactly correct, that is the way it is today and it isn't going to go back to where it used to be.
I would bet that you left a lasting impression on that farmers mind. You will certainly be the talk of the neighborhood. More than likely sales will go up. When all is said and done, things are like they are because it has become such a cut throat world.

One of my favorites is when I buy a new tool/appliance , they want to sell me the extended warranty. I always ask them why "is there something wrong with it" ? Oh well I can go on and on. It is however that way and it ain't going to change in my lifetime.
 
we sell online all over america and most of the time the local dealer will NOT look up the part due to there not being enough mark up or all he has is a kid on a computor that has NO idea what a 30 yr old piece of equipment looks like or cares --we sometimes sell due to local dealers wanting 1000% profit --so they usually cut their own throat--we just proivide the knife
 
I agree with you for the most part. I do a lot of business with the local hardware store. My time and gas are valuable to me and his prices are competitive. For the same reason I sometimes buy things online, especially if no one close by sells it. I usually drive past Walmart a short ways to a smaller store that is competitively priced and I can get in and out much quicker. On the other hand, Lowes is my closest lumber yard. And I've never been able to get a machinery dealer to bring anything out for demo, so I dont feel as if I owe it to buy from the closest dealer.
 
You should have sent him a bill for the rent on the 4 days use. After he used it for 4 days you no longer had a new wagon,you had a Demo and now you are expected to take less for it.Being in business for yourself doesn't have many benefits anymore.
 
Sold Kubotas for quite a while...had the same issue with one particular dealer just accross the NY/Pa border into Pa...no certified techs, no real parts dept. and almost no inventory. Between him and the big internet outfits we had a heck of a time making any profit. We had all certified techs, a HUGE parts Dept., years of affiliation with Kubota and Case Ag/CE experience back into the '40s. We also guaranteed every new Kubota owner that for the length of their warranty, we would transport for free for repairs, and provide a loaner machine (not necessarily a new Kubota,) but something that would do the job you were doing until repairs were completed. They would still beat us up over a few measly hundred dollars! Guys would buy from several hundred miles away to save $500!
When the service call came it was "yeah we'll pick it up when we get a chance, it'll be at the end of the shop line 'til we complete all of our own custome repairs!"
Nasty secret: BUSINESSES ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY...OR THEY AREN'T IN BUSINESS!
 
Well said! I recently bought a disc mower from a local, long time dealer even though he was a little more expensinve. It's his only dealership, unlike so many of these multiple store ag dealers today and I wanted to help him survive.
 
Its called Freedom and Capitalism the buyer can buy from who they want and the sellers operate their businesses the way they want.If you don't like that system try N.Korea or Cuba where the Gov't tells the businesses and the buyers what to buy,how much to pay etc etc sounds like you'd love it at one of those places.
 
I think your example is a little unfair. There are a few bad seeds in every industry and business. Just because you know a wife beater down the road does not mean we are all wife beaters. That farmer is building a reputation for screwing people over as he did you and will find himself sitting alone at the local pancake feed. Did you ever notice how people who swindle other people all the time are usually worse off then the rest? They should be better off but they are not.
 
I think you're missing the point, Traditional- JDseller OWNED the wagon- Buffalo couldn't just "transfer" it to someone else, leaving JD with no profit on the deal. I can't believe anyone would have the nerve to even consider such a shenanigan.

Unless JD didn't actually own it, and it was on flooring from Buffalo- then I would imagine the flooring contract allowed them to move the stuff around. Unethical, but not illegal, in that case. JDseller should still have been reimbursed its setup, flooring and delivery costs.
 
He took a chance when he took the wagon over if he wanted to be paid for the use of the wagon if the farmer decided not to buy, then that should have been in an agreement up front.If a dealer brings me a piece of equipment and says try it out
'no strings attached' then I'll take them at their word 'NO strings attached'.Lots of dealers us this tactic to get a piece of equipment on a farm then try to make the farmer feel obligated to buy because he used the equipment.
 
That horse is already outta the barn here. There were 6 lumberyards in this county 20 years ago. Now there is only Lowes, HD, and Menards. There were several tractor dealerships, now only a branch of a Mega Deere outfit and 1 small guy selling MF & Mahindra.
 
I agree charge the guy rent and pick up and delivery of it too. Car dealers often trade inventory back and forth but I don't think AG dealers do unless they are friends/related and have an agreement. Equipment dealers usually have a revolving line of credit so they can keep equipment in stock. Often times, the manufacturer will give them a certain amount of time before they have to start making payments on it. It could be 30 days up to a year depending.

There are bad customers too that will take advantage of dealers when ever they can. My dad sold golf course equipment and gave lots of demo machines to his customers. One new golf course was notoriously bad. They'd want to demo a few different machines at once for 2 weeeks or more at a time. They did this with about 3 different dealers. What they were trying to do was get all their work done without having to pay out any money. They'd get a demo from one dealer, then when that demo was taken back, they'd demo a similar machine from another dealer. After a month or 2 they'd want to demo something else from the first dealer. My dad was in the business for a long time and figured out what they were doing. He was still hoping they'd buy from him so didn't completely cut off demo's. If they wanted to demo something, they'd get it for 2 days max. and he'd be back to pick it up. If they wanted to demo something else right after, there wouldn't be any available for demo. Of course the guy wanting all the demo's wasn't happy with this arrangement. Anything they did buy, they took over 90 days to pay for and balked at the price no matter how good of a deal it was. My dad finally put an end to any demo's at all for them and didn't call on them very often anymore. The golf course bought some equipment from my dad but most from another dealer that practically sold stuff at cost. A lot of stuff is sold by tender and all the dealers know what other equipment sells for when the tenders are read. A dealer/salesman loses integrity when they sell something for thousands less than what it normally sells for because a customer has played them. If a customer has a big order or a package deal is when there should be a price adjustment. Not because of a manipulative customer or a cut throat dealer with no integrity.
 
There is two sides of this coin. You should have told him he would be paying rent on this machine but if he bought it from you you would not charge him the rent.
As a farmer for 40 years I have seen businesses succeed and fail same as farmers some make it some don't. But the major difference as a farmer I don't set the price of my product like a imp dealer can. Back in the 70s several dealers were caught price fixing. Among them was a local dealer from our home town. When the word got out about it he retired early as no one would trust him.
So while you did in fact get taken by one farmer who was a shyster in a way you left yourself wide open for that very problem.
One last example we wanted to trade tractors but didn't know which color would work the best for us so we got one of each color and tried them out. We had a agreement with each dealer that we would pay rent for the one we returned then no one could complain. Both were local dealers that we supported as we got good support from them.
 
I deliver parts part time for a local NAPA store. One day one of the car repair shop owners ranted to me about people going to Walmart for car tires or other things, then when there's a problem they come to HIM for service because they couldn't get satisfaction at Walmart! That would take self control not to tell them what you're thinking!
 
Dealers don't usually give demo's unless either they think the customer is serious and there's a fairly good chance they'll purchase the item or the customer has been a loyal customer in the past and the dealer is helping them out of a bind. One exception is if there is demo for multiple potential customers. Say a brand new style of implement came out and the dealer wanted to show it to as many customers as possible. He calls up one his better customers and asks if he could demo a machine on his farm and have other farmers come and try it as well. You can't just walk into a dealer and say you want to demo something. It's not that easy or no one would ever buy anything.

In JD's example, the farmer was clearly being an a$$. He got use of the wagon for 4 days from JD and then calls another dealer to see if he can get a better price? The other dealer was also being an A$$. You can't just switch inventory with another dealer and trying to undercut another dealer when you don't even the same thing in stock takes a lot of nerve.
 
There's nothing wrong with side by side demo's or trying competing machines to decide which one you like better. It's done all the time. Do you pay rent for a test drive if you don't buy the car? The problem is customers that try to swindle the dealers and dealers with no morals or standards. It takes years to get a good, honest reputation but can take seconds to ruin it. Unfortunately there's still a lot of shysters around. Paying a little more but getting much better service if you need it is also something a lot of people over look. There a saying for that. The bitter taste of poor quality/service remains long after the sweet taste of a low price.
 
(quoted from post at 09:08:22 06/14/11) All of us wanting the "cheapest" deal is creating a much worst local business climate. WE all want the cheapest we can find in the whole wide world. THANK YOU Internet!!! We give lip service to quality but in reality too many of us look at price only.

Take this web site. ( I am not bashing this site. I like this site I am just using it as a example) You can look at their business several ways:

1) If you order here you are moving your money away from a more local supplier. Now in this case it is still in the US. Too many times it is out of the country. IT still is changing the economic flow if your local community. Many of us that live in the rural area complain about there not being any stores left in our towns. Guess who caused this??? US!!!!! It started out as the bigger grocery store had meat a nickle a pound cheap, Lowes lumber 10% cheaper than the local lumber yard, and etc. Businesses will still service customers if they will pay enough for them to make a profit.

2) This site provides this forum for many of us old tractor guys for no charge. I hope we try to do business with them to help them stay in business. I wonder if a similar site had the same exact products BUT at 5% less in price. How many would still buy here???? I will say that rural people cut their own throat too many times. We are raised from birth to save and seek out the best deal. What we forget is the the best deal is not always the cheapest one. I often buy my hardware items at the local lumber yard/hardware store. Yes I pay more but I want them to still be there when I don"t want to drive sixty miles round trip for some small item. YOU HAVE to give them more business than just the little stuff or they will not be there in the future. I do not want Home Depo and Lowes to be the only place that I can get things. Try to get the washers for a fifty year old water hydrant at Home Depo some time.

We complain that the America of today is not the same as the one we grew up in. That is a correct statement. The problem is that we made the changes that we don"t like. We started going to the other stores because they where cheaper. All of the time thinking to our selves "It would not hurt anything. It was just this little thing. Plus everyone else will still buy locally" Well too many of us thought that way. So the local guy goes out of business.

I want each of you to think about the following situation. I worked at a Implement dealer. We where old school. We tried to keep what we sold in stock, not just order it when ever someone wanted one. One of the pieces of equipment was Buffalo TMR wagons. We kept one of each model in stock. That tied up about $150,000 in inventory. We had another dealer about fifteen miles away that did not stock any new feeder wagons. He kept a few parts but not one new wagon. I had a farmer call me and wanted to try out one of the TMR wagons, his was broken down and was a different brand. So I dropped everything and ran him down a wagon so he could do his evening feeding. He called me two days later. He really liked the Buffalo TMR wagon and wanted a price to trade. I figured up a price. I was making a $2000 dollar profit on a $30,000 wagon. HE waited for two more day to call me back. So he had been using a brand new TMW wagon for four days for free. He said to just leave the wagon at his farm. He was going to buy it off of the other dealer??????? WTF He said the other dealer was $1000 dollars cheaper. That dealer told him he would just transfer the wagon from us and sell it to him. I bet he would, $1000 profit and no inventory or setup cost. Well I jumped in the dealership"s roll back truck and went straight down to the farmer"s place. I walked right up to the TMR wagon and unhooked it. He was trying to load it. I just put the jack down and pulled the hoses/PTO off. I told him he had had better move his tractor or I would drag it out of the way. I hooked up to the wagon. He was yelling at me that I could not take "his" wagon. He had already paid the other dealer. I said that was between him and the other dealer. We owned this one not the other dealer. Plus it was up to us not Buffalo whether we transfered a piece of equipment. I also told him I knew that Buffalo had a eight week back log on getting a new TMR wagon. I wished him luck getting his money/wagon out of the other dealer in time to feed the rest of his cattle that day. So he was trying to "save" $1000 on a wagon that We had paid for and let him Demo for free. I guess making a 7-8% profit was too high for him.

What many of you don"t know is that with many short line companies the dealer must pay for the equipment/parts within 10 days of invoice to get the deal discount. We sold a manure spreader line that we would have to pay for the spreaders we had not even gotten yet because they had shipped but where in transit. Plus very few short line companies floor plan new equipment any more.

That dealership slowly quit keeping new short line equipment because of farmers like the one I told you about. So is it the dealership"s fault when the farmer refuses let him make enough of a profit to stock it???? How many of you just have to save that three cents on a gallon of gas but then complain that the local service station quits selling gas??? Sound familiar???

I want to hear what you think on this. I just had to order some sweeper parts from a thousand miles away because the local dealer we bought ours from is no longer in business. He said everyone was just buying the cheap junk at Wally World and getting a new one every few years. No one would pay the extra money to get one that would last. So I ordered $5.95 of parts and paid $6.25 to get it shipped. I would have gladly have given the local guy $20.00 just to have it fixed today.

I don't quite agree with all of that. Back in the 70's the government started making farmers pay minimum wage to hired help so that they could collect more in taxes. That caused a lot of the older guys to quit farming because there was no more cheap labor. That in turn closed other farm related businesses like elevators and small dealer. So now the folks in small town had to find work elsewhere. In a local town here that meant driving 20 miles to work. They got off at 5 when the local town stores are closing up for the night. So the worker who wants to finish a home improvement project tonight has to shop in the big town before going home. All because the small town shop owner didn't change to meet a changing job environment to be convenient to his customer.

Small town here had a Ford car/tractor dealership. It's gone. So is the elevator. Both employers would allow employees time to run to the hardware store during the business day. Now both are gone. Yet the hardware store (who's owner complains about lack of local support) closes his door at 5PM. Now here is the funny part. The towns population has gone up by about 250 people from 1972 to today. There were 2 grocery store, now one (stays open till 8 in the winter and 9 in the summer). 2 hardware stores, now one sad one. 2 gas stations, now one. A new boat dealer......gone......Clothing store, gone....and all this happened before Wal Mart came in 20 miles away.

Rick
 




This poem was written by a man named Joe West a good many years ago. Still has a certain ring to it.

BARGAIN DAYS

I guess it was just like pullin’ teeth, but I finally said I’d go down to that new super discount store just north of Tupelo;

It was the biggest store I’d ever seen--- couldn’t see the end of the aisle---and this nice old lady met us at the door and said “Welcome!” , with a smile.

Well, I noticed the dog food right away, and it had a real good price. I loaded up two 50-pound sacks and said, “Man, this place is nice!”

Well, I got me some plugs for my old truck, and saved $2.00 on all eight. Then I loaded my buggy with shovels and diggers, a hammer, some pliers and a rake.

I was all excited as I told my wife, “I saved $3.00 on this motor oil alone.” She said, “Now ain’t you glad you came? You can’t get these prices back at home.”

That’s when it hit me like a slap in the face: I’d only thought of myself. I rolled my buggy back around the store, puttin’ those things back on the shelf.

I thought about the gang at the feed store, and how they’d always helped me out----how they let me feed those 90 days when my checkbook had lost its clout.

Mr. Booth down at the hardware store, and how he came to let me in, that cold and rainy Saturday night when I was broke, and down in the field again.

Dick down at the auto parts store, when he didn’t get that part, let me use his brand-new pickup truck so I could get my hay up before dark.

Well, I suppose I missed some bargains that I had right in my hands, but when I left the store that day I was a much, much richer man.
Joe West
 
JDseller,
Like others on here, I've bought a lot of stuff online and I also buy locally. The Internet sure has changed how we shop, hasn't it?

I'm a pretty conscientious shopper when it come to equipment, tools, parts, etc. and I'll comparison shop just about everything. Drives the wife crazy because I don't look at the price of food in the store and she'll know whether a can of tuna is a good buy or not. If I want tuna, that name brand can on the shelf is in my cart.

I do appreciate that local stores need to make a profit, but I've bought auto parts from smallish places in California, South Carolina, all over the US. Why can't my local guy compete with someone else in the States? (who is local to SOMEBODY) Most of the parts are manufactured overseas, anyway.

The decision on "where-to-buy" is never a slam dunk. It's on a case by case basis and the local guy DOES get preference if his price is close. However, at the end of the day, it's MY money coming out of MY pocket and if I overpay no matter WHO I buy it from, then I'm not being fair to myself OR my family in spending our hard-earned dollars wisely.

As for your example, I got a good chuckle imagining the scene where you picked up the wagon. good for you!
 
It seems that the dealerships created this climate when they started shipping items back and forth between them. If they wouldn't do it the short line companies would have nothing to sell or demo.
 
How many employees did those farmers have who had to "pay minimum wage to hired help"? How familiar are you with the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)?
 
JD.........I sure hope you're taking notes about "what you should have done"........years and years after the event.
 
Good post.

Anyone that starts extolling the virtues of the "mom and pop" stores usually hasn't worked for one or dealt with them when they can't shop during "normal" business hours. I remember my older sister clocking out at 5:30 then working for another hour off the clock to "close". She was also expected to babysit (for free) because the owner was good enough to give her a minimum wage job.

I watched a similar store owner “DEMAND” that the school athletic teams be outfitted with their shoes (the same made in China POSs that Wal-Mart had for 1/3 the price) that all students had to buy so they had the same “uniform”.
 
Sir--I would like to comment on your post. I live in a small rural community (Nebraska) all my 57 years, where I still farm the 160 acres that my dad started in 1940.

I don't think it's totally a question of price, but a question that sometimes the "wonderful small town merchant" isn't always just the nicest guy to do business with. Alot of these people are not the nice noble guys that common perception sometimes makes them.

I have had an off-farm job for years, and one of the places I worked at recently was a large grocery cooperative, "one of the largest in the midwest". And let me say out of 20 years of jobs it was one of the most toxic work environments I have ever experienced. The company policy was one of extracting the maximum amount of work from employees for the least amount of money. And this was a policy set directly by the Board of Directors---all small town grocery owners. And their excuse for any complaints was "we're competing with Walmart, you know!".

Some of the things they would do was put receptionist's who answered the phone on salary, so that they could make them work unlimited hours (like Saturdays) without paying overtime. The people in the warehouse (called "pickers") had their union busted by the Board. The management would even monitor how long employees stayed in the bathroom.

The employees used to joke about the monthly board meetings, calling it the "Lexus Club" because these guys would show up in the parking lot driving their Lexus cars. And if you think the Waltons of Walmart are bad, they are NOTHING compared to the local guy who inherited some money and buys a few local small town grocery stores. For the attitude of exploitation and ruthless bottom line mentality they are hard to beat. And if they complained about Walmart and the other "big" stores, it had more to do with jealously and the fact that someone was rocking their money gravy-train; rather than concern about any economic damage to the community.

And let me tell you about the local implement dealer in my town. For years he made BIG bucks with charging the little farmers (such as my dad)plenty for parts and labor. He showed his devotion to the local community by loading up all the money he made and retiring to a high-priced home in Arizona.
 
You know JDSELLER it isn't all the way you have presented it. Around me we used to have 4 JD dealerships within 50 mile now there is just one and it changed owners. Not because local stopped shopping there but because JD demanded new buildings and greater dealer stocking. Jd shutdown one dealer that had the best repairmen. Another couldn't service his loan because of the JD demands and the third absorbed him. Now that poor guy is tired of the JD BS and sold to a new comer. His business plan is to sell what's in stock and not restock so now it's a long wait. Highest prices on used equipment in three states.
Example: took a Gator in for service cause it just wasn't acting right, said it would be ready in a week, came back in 2 weeks they hadn't started so I loaded it up and won't go back.
 
I priced a new john deere skid loader from a jD dealer i like about 30 miles from my house.They told me they couldn't give me the best price because i was in a closer dealers territory.I told them i would buy a new holland then.They didn't care,so i bought one.
 
Most of the mom and pop stores i remember were lousy places to work and just as bad to buy from.The owners were rude,take it or leave it,usually laced with profanity.
 
If he knew the farmer good enough to give him use of the wagon he should have known the chance he was taking.He needs to put his Big Boy britches on and get over it.And if he thinks another dealer won't undercut him to get a sale he is living in a fantasy World.Don't expect anyone else to look out for you.
 
(quoted from post at 12:38:14 06/14/11) How many employees did those farmers have who had to "pay minimum wage to hired help"? How familiar are you with the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)?

Somewhat familiar with it.....
The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938[1] (abbreviated as FLSA; also referred to as the Wages and Hours Bill[2]) is a federal statute of the United States. The FLSA established a national minimum wage,[3] guaranteed 'time-and-a-half' for overtime in certain jobs,[4] and prohibited most employment of minors in "oppressive child labor," a term that is defined in the statute.[5] It applies to employees engaged in interstate commerce or employed by an enterprise engaged in commerce or in the production of goods for commerce,[6] [b:f0e1033f6d]unless the employer can claim an exemption from coverage.[/b:f0e1033f6d]


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The 1961 FLSA Amendment added another method of determining a type of coverage called enterprise coverage. Enterprise coverage applies only when the business is involved in interstate commerce and its gross annual business volume is a minimum of $500,000. All employees working for these “enterprises” are then covered by the FLSA so long as the individual firms of the "enterprise have a revenue greater than $500,000 per year.[/b:f0e1033f6d]

And what is the real topic here
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The Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act (MSPA), passed in 1983, was designed to provide migrant and seasonal farm workers with protections concerning pay, working conditions, and work-related conditions, to require farm labor contractors to register with the U.S. Department of Labor, and to assure necessary protections for farm workers, agricultural associations, and agricultural employers.[/b:f0e1033f6d]

Most of em that I knew had one full time farm hand who was paid a salery plus housing then hired extra help when needed. The full timer didn't get minumum wage, I know I was one of em. When I joined the Army and quit the farmer I worked for hired antoher guy to replace me but had to let em go by 85. Got told he had to pay minumum wage with overtime plus had to charge the worker for room and board and himself was taxed on that income. I knew a few guys around here who made a living just working for any farmer when needed. In the summer they were busy sun to down and still had 3-4 days a week worth of work in the winter.

Rick
 
Yeahbut undercutting is one thing, undercutting to sell a wagon the other dealer DOESN'T EVEN OWN is sleazy...
 
Like the others say there is plenty of blame to go around.
For lawnmower stuff I buy online because of my local guy. This is one of those places that doesn't want to service anything they didn't sell. He's got little signs on 3x5 cards all over the place that say things like "If you didn't buy it here we don't hurry to service it" or "Have your service receipt when you come pick up your machine, we have many red ones, we don't know which one is yours".

I've bought some parts from him over the years but anytime I have to order anything its a big production that ends with "We'll call you when it comes in" and me never getting a call. So I go back a week or two later and they haven't ordered it or the order number I've got (on their stationary) is meaningless.

I wanted to buy a chainsaw a few years ago, they had a used Echo I thought was a nice looking machine so I asked about it. He wouldn't even pull it off the shelf, "Are you looking to buy today? I don't want to waste my time." I turned around and walked out, went 30 miles out of my way and bought a brand new Husky. Took it right back and showed it to him so he'd know where I bought since he was too good to talk to me. Saw another couple walk out while I was explaining. Managed to not even yell...
 
One thing nobody has considered thus far that I've seen is the fact that we just don't have the $$$ to sling around indiscriminately anymore.

Can't pay for "service" because 99.9% of the time we will never need it, and 99.9% of the time that money could be put to better use on something else, or simply never existed in the first place.

It's a changing world. You need to keep up or end up like the dinosaurs.
 
I bet you do more business locally as he lets his neighbors and friends know about your friendly service.
 
Now that really sounds like a guy that has no idea how to keep a business going. More like how to run it into the ground.
 
Growing up in the 60's , Mom would buy us shoes from a local small town shoe store, a wonderful german couple ran it , and all they sold was shoes.
In the early 70's Shopko came to the larger town 10 more miles away. Mom got me two pair of shoes cuz they were such a bargain. One pr lasted a day, and the other lasted around two weeks.
Mom is now 88 and still a bargain hunter. I myself go to small private stores of all kinds , and "try" to purchase the USA stuff.
Don L.
Don L.
 
We don't have any control over what is offered. The Chinese junk invasion was decades ago and our government decided it was alright, unlike governments of other countries.
 
Thats the way it works like it or not.If he'd of really been smart he'd of told the farmer he'd meet the other guy's price.And made $1000 and not lost a customer and some of the ex-customer's friends and relatives.And not brought back a used wagon to the dealership that he probably had to knock off a thousand to sell it anyway.Sometimes you got to make the best of a bad situation.It ain't a perfect World
 
Well you are right in this case.But the first time you need something "locally"that you would have to drive a long ways to get,they rob you for it.Then you have to decide if its worth spending the money on gas or just buying it and taking the beating.I hate to tell you but you are 30 years too late.People quit taking the beating long ago.When I was trucking,if they wanted much more than what it was in Kansas City which is 100 miles away,I would just drive to Kansas City.I dont mind paying them a profit,but Im not going to be robbed either.
The whole thing is greed.They dont want any competition so the big companies lie and cheat and steal to get all of it they can.They are the ones who put the mom and pops out back when there were a lot of them.
Another thing is,back in the 1990s,trucking ,I made lots of money,now its not the same,the fuel company gets most of what truckers did get, and parts are higher,oil is higher, tires are higher ,and insurance is higher,but wages havent gone up.So nobody,if their business is like trucking,and I know it is,has the money to spend any more.When things are tight like this, that 10 dollars you save on something looks like gas to get you home or tomorrows lunch and supper if you are at home.
Also that farmer that tried to pull that deal with somebody else wasnt the only problem you had,what about the"other" dealer?You needed to have a real long talk with him over that stuff.Greed and they will stab you in the back,and who knows,maybe his kids are hungry is why he did it.This is not how America is supposed to be and its way too late to start blaming us workers for the mom and pops trouble,we probably carried them a lot longer than we should have.Of course nobody wanted to hear about stuff like this 15,20 or 30 years ago.They were just going to change everything,and everybody got greedier and greedier.You did have lots of families living on and running farms of 200 acres.It would be a real meager living on 200 acres of poor land nowdays.Now they farm half of the county,and just like your story,they are out to save every penny they can.A lot of them wont even hire help hardly.I dont know if they cant afford it or they just want it all to themselves.Also you arent going to get guys to drive tractor trailers and big 4 wheel drive tractors for 7 dollars an hour either.Why would they.If you can drive a truck you can get 15 dollars or more an hour and do it on the way home about anywhere,from seeing the farmer who wants to pay crap wages.If you can run big machinery why not get into heavy equipment and make lots of money.
So the people you are dealing with is a lot of the story here.Both sides are guilty,and its too late for them.The mom and pops have priced themselves out of business,little towns roll the sidewalks up at 5 pm and maybe half a day Saturday,When I was a kid everyplace was open until 9pm Saturday and some places were open Sunday.The town people quit caring and the farming community went somewhere else.
Also about the first time a farmer comes to town and cant buy any nails,or steeples,or wire thats not 3 prices too high, or posts,or feed,what good is the town to him?He goes somewhere else and doesnt waste time at the worthless local store any more.
Also why do these mom and pops have to be so high priced?Now this stuff is available at a cheap price,but the mom and pops cant buy it because they dont buy stuff a trailer load at a time.
There are lots of ways it could all be fixed besides blaming the consumer.You have to remember the customer is always right,and if the customer aint buying what you offer,it might just be your fault.
 
There's nary a difference between unrestrained Capitalism & Communism -- both will mow down the society they're in with an unbridled, dogmatic enthusiasm that their way is the only one true way.
 
I buy USA made and locally as much as possible and available. If you brought a wagon to me and I liked it I would buy it from you basically regardless of the price because it iss the right thing to do and I should have done my homework on price etc. to start with. That extra $1000.00 cost is fully tax deductible and would save me $350.00 in federal tax and around $50.00 in state tax, meaning it only cost $600.00 anyway. I hate paying taxes, period. I would much rather do business with someone who is turning the money over and providing jobs than to throw it down the never ending tax rathole.
 
Tell me about it - A kid I worked with wanted me to show him how to sharpen his chainsaw. I didn't have a file small enough, so we ran by the local saw/lawnmower shop. The owner looked at the chain and told me that he hated to even sell a file to me if I treated a chain that badly. I ended up buying a $2 file from him, but I cancelled my plans to buy a $4000 Dixon mower from him. The Grasshopper dealer a few miles up the road is still in business, and the local smart*** is closed. Is it any wonder?

I do sympathise(SP) with JDseller - I couldn't have treated him like that after him helping me out of a bind.
 
I would not have said a thing if he had told me I was too high or he was buying some other brand. He was trying to scalp me on the wagon he wanted but was trying to swindle it through another non stocking dealer. The other dealer handles about thirty lines of equipment. Only keeps a few in stock. He is mainly an order taker. Has a rack of order books. That is not fair to the dealer that displays and demo the product to cause the sale. The incident did get me to have Buffalo drop the other dealer.

Also we rarely rented a TMR wagon. You never can charge enough to cover the abuse and clean up if some one rents them. We had a policy that we always kept a wagon for our customers to use until we could get theirs going. You can"t wait days to feed high production dairy cattle. Usually a demo was two or three feedings. That gave the customer time to see is he wanted it.

As for the One stating he bet I did not sell much more equipment around the farmer. Well the last two years I sold at that dealership I averaged twenty new TMR wagons each year. The farmer in the area knew we would treat them well.
 
Funny, sounds exactly like my experiance with a Gater and the consolidation of the JD dealerships.
 
Funny, sounds exactly like my experiance with a Gater and the consolidation of the JD dealerships.
 
Quoting the late cartoonist, Walt Kelly, "We have met the enemy, and he is us!" There is a recent post seeking an alternative to a New Holland PTO knuckle because it is too expensive from New Holland. However, if we wait a while, there will be another post from someone who is shocked to discover that the manufacturer no longer supplies parts for their tractor (or baler or ...)
 
A lot of the small stores have been ripping off people for so long, the think it's their God given right. That's why God made Lowe's and Home Depot. Isn't greed wonderful?
 

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