chucksoliver77
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just heard gm ceo wants feds to raise the feds to raise the gas tax $1.00 per gallon so they can sell more volts. what do you guys think about that? chuck
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buickanddeere
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Your proof or is it a rumour?
Its NOT a rumor far as I know, Ive seen it on the news more then once (but thats no proof lol)
Its usually some rich fat cat or politician or militant vegetarian or environmental extremist that wants to raise gas prices, of course, GM wants to sell more electric cars which so far have been a miserable failure THATS WHY THE CEO WANTS ANOTHER $1.00 PER GALON TAX DUHHHHHHHHHH
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT we cant drill or open up ANWAR per the white house, while we can give Brazil money to drill GO FIGURE
John T
Its usually some rich fat cat or politician or militant vegetarian or environmental extremist that wants to raise gas prices, of course, GM wants to sell more electric cars which so far have been a miserable failure THATS WHY THE CEO WANTS ANOTHER $1.00 PER GALON TAX DUHHHHHHHHHH
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT we cant drill or open up ANWAR per the white house, while we can give Brazil money to drill GO FIGURE
John T
buickanddeere
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Same policy as western Europe? The bunny huggers couldn't ban vehicles with exhaust and safety regulations. They they turned to gas taxes "to support public transit".
John Diercks
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"Shoot him" ? A bit extreme, don"t you think? We may hold opposing political and economic views, but I don"t think in the United States we really want to stoop to assassinations to solve our "problems"
buickanddeere
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Actually most people do live in the big city.
The minor percentage of the population that live outside of area lit by street lights and served by public transit. Are hardly worth noticing by politicians and policy makers.
You don't really think there is somebody in Washigton that cares about rural policy and food? Unless it involes water for city dwellers?
The minor percentage of the population that live outside of area lit by street lights and served by public transit. Are hardly worth noticing by politicians and policy makers.
You don't really think there is somebody in Washigton that cares about rural policy and food? Unless it involes water for city dwellers?
When people watch their tax dollars taken to save GM while screwing the stockholders and now the Government Motors head bozo want more gas taxes to subsidize their electric cars that everyone knows take (coal, oil, nuclear, etc.) energy to make them roll down the road tend to make people get a bit peeved. If you have a good product at a reasonable price that people want, people will buy it. If not, people won't. Unky sam needs to stay the heck out of it.
Those electric cars don't pay any state and federal fuel taxes either in most states. Roads will surely fix themselves if only electric cars would drive on them.
We could all go all day on listing automobile and farm equipment manufacturers that went belly-up either because of crummy products, poor marketing, or bad decision making that didn't get bailouts.
People have had enough of the government screwing the country up, and although I wouldn't advocate it, someday, someone is going to be more than just vocal about it.
AG
MarkB_MI
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Let's suppose for a moment that the price of gas was 10 bucks a gallon. Would you buy it? Yes you would, because you don't really have any choice. But you would probably buy a lot less. Which tells us two things: Gas is underpriced, even at four bucks a gallon, and higher gas prices lead to conservation. What could be more patriotic than using less oil, most of which comes from countries we'd rather not have to deal with?
Tom in TN
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Mark,
If you and I were sitting down drinking a cup of coffee together, obviously, we'd be polite to one another. So, please don't interpret this as an attack or an insult. Having said that, I could not disagree with you more (said with a smile in a pleasant voice).
Progress is accomplished by reducing hindrances, not by creating more of them. If high prices hinder people from doing things that they want to do, or things that they need to do, progress is slowed down.
High gas prices don't necessarily result in conservation, they hinder people from accomplishment. The government is far too intrusive in our personal lives. Governmental intrusion takes away freedom.
I'd like to see gas prices come down significantly. The money that I now spend on gas could be utilized for much more productive activity if I didn't have to give it to the government or oil companies.
At least, that's the way I see it.
Tom in TN
If you and I were sitting down drinking a cup of coffee together, obviously, we'd be polite to one another. So, please don't interpret this as an attack or an insult. Having said that, I could not disagree with you more (said with a smile in a pleasant voice).
Progress is accomplished by reducing hindrances, not by creating more of them. If high prices hinder people from doing things that they want to do, or things that they need to do, progress is slowed down.
High gas prices don't necessarily result in conservation, they hinder people from accomplishment. The government is far too intrusive in our personal lives. Governmental intrusion takes away freedom.
I'd like to see gas prices come down significantly. The money that I now spend on gas could be utilized for much more productive activity if I didn't have to give it to the government or oil companies.
At least, that's the way I see it.
Tom in TN
MarkB_MI
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Tom,
Thanks for a polite answer. I don't like high gas prices any more than anyone else. But I'm afraid they are inevitable. The biggest problem I have with raising the gas tax isn't so much with the tax but what our government will do with it.
Thanks for a polite answer. I don't like high gas prices any more than anyone else. But I'm afraid they are inevitable. The biggest problem I have with raising the gas tax isn't so much with the tax but what our government will do with it.
"Thanks for a polite answer. I don't like high gas prices any more than anyone else. But I'm afraid they are inevitable. The biggest problem I have with raising the gas tax isn't so much with the tax but what our government will do with it."
A BIG, HUGE,SUPER-SIZED AMEN to this statement.
RICK...who has strong "MODERATE" leanings!!
A BIG, HUGE,SUPER-SIZED AMEN to this statement.
RICK...who has strong "MODERATE" leanings!!
Brian Jasper co. Ia
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The Volt was not a cheap car to develop, it sells in the $45K range. The Cruze which is the same basic car sells for half that price. If I were the head of GM, I would not want to make it tougher to sell the rest of the vehicles produced by GM.
I don't know if there is any truth to the original question, but it makes no sense to me.
I don't know if there is any truth to the original question, but it makes no sense to me.
Anonymous-0
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1936,"where does the money go?"...simple question and maybe you"re attempting to make a point. The other side of the coin is this...I work for Toyota and they have stopped production several times and never had a lay-off. The money we make stays local. The profit for the company does indeed go to Japan (but there hasn't been any profit). When there is profit and I want the foreign profit I simply, buy Toyota stock and enjoy the dividends. I make money from their paycheck and I make money from their profits via stock. You can do the same.
buickanddeere
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Yes no and maybe. Working against resistance makes the mind and body stronger. Look at the natives and welfare people who get everything easy. What do they accomplish?
Look at cars and trucks and what they were in the late 1960's. Now look at them after emissions, mileage and safety rules which were designed by the bunny huggers to eliminate vehicles. Vehicles in the 2000's drive, steer, stop better than the 1960's junk. Have more power, get better mileage and last longer.
Yes, I have heard the same thing mentioned by Pres and his followers. Very true, alternative power sorces will be slow or not developed if they have to compete with todays cheap oil.
A true message, but one that will get the messenger killed or atleast severly beaten. ;-)
There is an interesting story in the last issue of National Geographic mag about "green China".
It seems that China realizes that their only present home supply of fuel is coal, and they will burn through their reserves within 30 years.
China has always been a country to think long term, so they have been "going green on a scale that dwarfs any other countrys efforts.
China is very heavy into solar heat and electric power,plus using wind and waves to generated power.
If you burn through your cheap easy power supply without developing an alternative, your in for a world of hurt, down the road when the cheap stuff runs out..
A true message, but one that will get the messenger killed or atleast severly beaten. ;-)
There is an interesting story in the last issue of National Geographic mag about "green China".
It seems that China realizes that their only present home supply of fuel is coal, and they will burn through their reserves within 30 years.
China has always been a country to think long term, so they have been "going green on a scale that dwarfs any other countrys efforts.
China is very heavy into solar heat and electric power,plus using wind and waves to generated power.
If you burn through your cheap easy power supply without developing an alternative, your in for a world of hurt, down the road when the cheap stuff runs out..
Since prices have been high this year we've seen a reduction in consumption. That means we're driving less or buying more efficient vehicles or both. If the price goes down now people will go back to driving more with less efficient vehicles and say "well I'm glad those prices are over with".
Theres a finite amount of easy oil and we've had it. Theres lots of oil left but its HARD oil as in hard to get and the quality is lower.
I'd love to see prices go back down too but I don't expect that to happen.
Theres a finite amount of easy oil and we've had it. Theres lots of oil left but its HARD oil as in hard to get and the quality is lower.
I'd love to see prices go back down too but I don't expect that to happen.
I read on another site that atleast one state charges an up front $100 per year road use fee to any electric or plug in hybrid car registered to make sure they pay their fair share of road tax.
No problem at all for a pure electric car, a bit tougher to work out a fair fee for a plug in hybrid.
A plug in hybrid can run 100% on electric power if used only for very short trips, but may run 90% on tax paid gasoline if the owner drives only long trips.
Owen Aaland
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The largest importer of oil to the USA is Canada. The second largest is Mexico. Are they the countries countries we'd rather not have to deal with?
MarkB_MI
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Owen, you neglected to name numbers 3 through 10:
3 Saudi Arabia
4 Venezuela
5 Nigeria
6 Iraq
7 Colombia
8 Russia
9 Algeria
10 Angola
3 Saudi Arabia
4 Venezuela
5 Nigeria
6 Iraq
7 Colombia
8 Russia
9 Algeria
10 Angola
Phil in Pa
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Drill more of our own oil that we know is here.
That would be more patriotic.
That would be more patriotic.
Owen Aaland
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True enough, but roughly 40% of the crude oil imported to the US comes from Canada and Mexico.
China doesn't appear to be making mistakes of the past. It's a whole country going and buying up stuff for the good of their country. The US waits for some business to think it's a good idea and then how many congress people have their hand out for it to get off the ground. Congress just goes back to the piggy bank (tax base) to fix any problems. I think that's coming to an end.
Welding man
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They come up with crap like this and the power company where I live,announced yesterday that it is shutting down 6 coal fired plants due to the EPA regulations, eliminating 600 plus good paying jobs. I used to work at one of them,just 7 miles from where I live. If the EPA shuts down all the coal fired power plants where are they going to plug them in. All this seems like a dog chasing it's tail to me.
buickanddeere
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It"s called purposely creating a crisis.
With a "justified" shortage of power and short sighted voters sitting in the dark. And having no idea how the electrical grid works.
The utility owners, contractors and politicians. Can work some slick under the table deals and there is always cash in a crisis.
With the higher price of power due to shutting down power plants. New plants can be built and locked into even higher guarantied electrical rates because it"s a "crisis".
With a "justified" shortage of power and short sighted voters sitting in the dark. And having no idea how the electrical grid works.
The utility owners, contractors and politicians. Can work some slick under the table deals and there is always cash in a crisis.
With the higher price of power due to shutting down power plants. New plants can be built and locked into even higher guarantied electrical rates because it"s a "crisis".
Welding man
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You would have to fight the EPA in Court for 25 years to get a permit to build a coal fired power plant on the east coast. That is one reason for not shutting down the old ones. The company I worked for just spent 1 billion dollars upgrading 1 plant to meet the new standards. The customer pays for every cent of this.
MarkB_MI
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Phil, why do you think we don't drill for more domestic oil? There are plenty of drill rigs sitting idle. Answer: The price of crude is too cheap to make domestic oil profitable.
buickanddeere
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The customer does pay for every cent that goes to the legal offices, contractors and everybody else who needs their palm greased.
If there really was a crisis and city hospitals,infrastructure and public buildings were in the dark. The power trippers in the EPA and CAFE would find them selves over ruled.
If there really was a crisis and city hospitals,infrastructure and public buildings were in the dark. The power trippers in the EPA and CAFE would find them selves over ruled.
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