OT Need help stopping a 10000+ pig factory

Thank you for any suggestions that you make on this concern. The farm right to the west of me has applied for a permit from the dept. of agriculture state of Illinois for a 10,000+ pig confinement. The owners are the local farmer, Professional Swine Management LLC and 5 out of state investors. The problem is the state is courting mega factory agriculture. The Illinois Epa is successfully by-passed by stating the hog waste will be on site contained. Once permitted the pig factory can increase by 50%.
These factory farms ruin the environment, depress farm values, and smell up the area.
 
That's today's society for u, rather than many farms raising a few 100 pigs, we will have 1 factory farm raise many thousand! Good luck with that mess.
 
Best way to control what happens to the land next to yours is to buy the land.

These factory farms do a better job of managing the manure run off then the little hog farms of 30 years ago. We ran hogs out in open lots and every rain the runoff went right down the waterways and ditches.

They have to or they are fined.

Yes the smell is bad when the wind is in the wrong direction that's for sure.

Gary
 
Check your local zoning ordinances. A number of years ago, someone wanted to put in a feedlot across the road from my house. According to local zoning, no new feedlot could be established within one mile of an existing residence. There were 11 existing residences within a mile of the proposed location. End of story.
 
You won"t do it by yourself. canvass your area for views.
The alternative is to line the boundary with those automatic perfume sprays.
 
You have to look at the flipside too. Those people are trying to make a living, investors included. With today's hog prices, you need massive amounts of pigs to make it all work or you need to contract feed for someone else, but someone needs to be giving out these contracts. Growing 100 pigs won't feed you or your family, let alone a corporation and 5 investors. If manure is spread or injected in a sensible manner, it really won't ruin the environment, and it makes for a good crop. With all due respect, you may have to suck it up.
 
I can see both sides but with the population growing there is a growing demand for cheap food. The bottom line is the big guys can produce it cheaper. Technology is advancing where odor can be lessoned. I used to grow 80000 broilers in 4 houses and sometimes the odor was pretty bad. Nowdays they can help the odor with the diets of the animals and how they handle the manure. I really don't blame you for not wanting the operation close by but it probably won't be as bad as you think and it will provide a few jobs for someone willing to work. In our area an operation like that would also be a huge source of tax revenue.
 
The real issue is that hog farms have no emissions standards. I work on industrial facilities to control emissions so that they do not smell and do not pollute.

It is actually fairly inexpensive to control these smells. An industrial plant would suck the air through scrubbers or incinerators to rid the air of the undesirables.
 
If the prevailing wind is away from you it might not smell too much. Is one hog equal to five humans for waste? Ithink thats what I raed.
 
I have a two twenty-five hundred head buildings north west of me. They are about a half of a mile away cross country. The only time I smell them is when they inject the manure each fall or spring, few days at the most.

The ones of you on here that want the little pig lots that raise just a few forget the smell from them. I used to have a few hundred finishing hogs on this farm. They smelled worst than the large buildings do. Also like the other posting have said. The smaller producers many times do a worse job of controlling their manure.
 
I remember riding the bus through the country back in the day, about every 4th place stunk to high heaven.

Now, the big operations smell bad when applying manure in spring or fall, and once in a while, but nothing like the little 100 head hog farms did.

Agree with you there, people just don't remember. The smell was so comon you didn't notice....

--->Paul
 
Do you raise grain???? If you do don"t complain about a big user of the crop you raise. As for them ruining the environment. I have seen many more little hog farmers make messes than large ones. I also remember sows laying on half their litters before gestation grates. So it is cruel to have the sow not lay on the piglets?????

As for factory farming. Why don"t you go buy ten sows and then raise the pigs to finish weight. Do that twice each year. Then quit all you other income and live off of your profit from the hogs you raise. We will see how long you would last until you had a larger operation. Most of these "factory farms" are just individual farmers trying to improve their income to survive or bring their kids back into the operation.

Used to be every farm had live stock. Mine still does. Guess WHAT? there are smells. So now we have people without any live stock that don"t want the country smells in "their" area. I say to those complaining about that. MOVE TO TOWN!!!
 
If the manure is being injected properly, no way you should smell it for even a day. Pit agitation, especially hog manure, can be rather ripe, but if you smell the field, the owner is losing N big time, and it is not being injected deep enough or more likely, not covered properly. I had a liquid dairy setup for about 20 years, pit was 300 feet from the house, couldn"t smell agitation, and never smelled the field unless the custom op was cutting corners.
OP needs to run those knives 10-12 inches deep, with decent covering discs.
 
Bingo! Your assessment about large farm environmental requirements vs lotsa small farm smells, poor disposal, etc., is right on. Too many times I"ve seen small local farmers pile manure in the pasture, next to a creek, when they can"t get on the field during Spring thaw. Where does that run to? Most middle-size and larger ones here are way more responsible. The big guys need to file and follow manure management programs, find enough acres to apply only so many gallons per acre, while the smaller ones are not regulated or monitored. Generally, the average full-time farmer is a responsible person, but some stretch the limits.
 
You know, or anybody knows, animal husbandry smells! It's what you want to get by with and what you can handle. The bigger hog guys probably smell less than the little guy but don't sell the little guy short! Some can do a darn good job at what they do! Also if you can get some of that fertilizer for your ground it's a darn sight cheaper than the CO-OP!
 
Move to town and leave the farmers alone . Food has to come from somewhere I am a small farmer rancher but I'd rather have a pig farn for a neighbor than a cidiot that thinks they can move to the country and then complain about farms
 
I can see by the comments here that nobody here has ever lived close to a factory hog farm.

Basically, you're screwed. Guaranteed the company behind this dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's long before they made the project public. These projects are protected by laws ostensibly intended to protect small farming operations.
 
That is gonna smell bad.
Can you sell out your farm/land to this business?
How many acres do you have?

I think that you and your neighbors need to form a group to stop it.

I am all for the small farmer that wants to raise livestock, but 10K pigs with all the mess and operations....Yuck.
 
In order to make money they will have to collect and use methane from the manure to provide energy. To do this they need to have the lagoon covered with a rubber membrane which traps odors. I wish I had one near me that I could get manure from for my fields.
 
I have lived next to one of those operations for years and the only problem was the owner saw himself as a businessman and not a farmer so relations with surrounding farmers was not the best. One good thing though was his manure spreaders where the liquid injection type so it kept the smell down. When the hog industry crashed in ontario he took the government buyout and sold it all off. The new owner is a dairy man and can't use the old barns so they will sit abandoned for a few years to depreciate in value and will then be demolished so I have peace for a while to come.
 
If, as is likely, the investors have done their homework, it is unlikely that you and your neighbors will be able to do anything to stop the project.

In times past, some folks have had some success with common law nuisance but it is unlikely that you will have much success pleading such in a farming area. Such actions are, however, routinely used to prevent such operations near the latest subdivision.

The State will accommodate the operation for the sake of tax revenue even to the point of changing existing law. It's all about taxes.

Dean
 
Start getting your well tested on a weekly basis, every week. Once the pollutants spike in your water after the waste sludge is drilled into every square foot around you, you might have a case for restitution.
As for the smell, nothing short of air emission monitoring stations on your land to record levels.
Jay
 
Is this a 10000 head FINISHING site or 10000 head isowean PIG site. What I'm getting to is know your terminology when you make a stand against something or you will not sound credible and they will ignore you. An ISOWEAN, or NURSERY site feeds little pigs from just a few days old up to 40-70 pounds. A FINISHING site takes them to slaughter weight. By then they are commonly called HOGS. When does a pig become a hog? I'm a little ignorant on that myself.

A FARROWING site is where the SOWS give birth to PIGS. I have a hunch this is a finishing site. The city folks who call HOGS pigs and feeder cattle COWS sound so far out of their element that they are laughed at and ignored by real farmers.

Like it was said, you are up against some guys who have done their homework. People with the kind of money they have to invest know how to do their homework or they wouldn't have that kind of money in the first place. Jim
 
Go checkout PSF in Mercer Co Missouri. See all the things theyve had done to them and all the things theyve done trying to make a few happy.
 
What do you want communism or a nanny state to wipe your nose at every little sniffle?
It's the US free market capitalism where anybody with brains and ambition can be a business operator/owner. You want to hold that back?
 
Just how close to you live to the site? I live with in 2-3 miles of 3 large hog confinment barns, however, not nearly the size you talk about. There is no way you can stop it, providing the group has done it"s homework. Pigs stink, there is no way to sugar coat that. Depends a lot on your direction from the barns, if you are going to smell it everytime a NW wind blows. Smells different than conventional (straw bedding) type of operation, more of a sewer gas smell. It will really stick for a couple of days when they inject the manure. If you have farm land you might be able to buy manure. I have been on a farm and around hogs all my live so I am used to this. If you live 2 miles away, I would not worry, a mile away if the wind rarly blows from that direction would be OK. But if it was across the road, I"d move, the smell and the noise (squeeling pigs and traffic) would be too much for me.
Brian(MN)
 
Move to another abundant, nanniest area like Boulder, Colorado, San Fransisco, CA or even to another Socialist country then you'll be happy. What has happen to free enterprise???
 
Sell the place when you still can and get the h3ll outa there.
10.000 pigs is gonna smell to high heaven no matter what they say.
 
I don't mind someone making a profit and not sharing it with me, I do mind someone making a profit and sharing the costs with me. LCFOs (large confined feeding operations) bring odors, dust and flies, impacting the neighbors righs to peaceful and quite enjoyment of their property, driving down values. It is also going to bring a lot of heavy truck traffic, damaging roads that were not designed for it, making moving farm equipment more dangerous, ect. It is also going to bring in illegal workers, with that comes more crime, drugs, problems in the schools, and generally a burden on the on local education, social services and law enforcement that the owner of the facility could care less about. They certianly don't live there, but they are willing to redistribute the costs to the locals. Redistribution of costs is the same as redistribution of profits. I am supprised you support it.
 
(quoted from post at 02:38:12 05/22/11) Thank you for any suggestions that you make on this concern. The farm right to the west of me has applied for a permit from the dept. of agriculture state of Illinois for a 10,000+ pig confinement. The owners are the local farmer, Professional Swine Management LLC and 5 out of state investors. The problem is the state is courting mega factory agriculture. The Illinois Epa is successfully by-passed by stating the hog waste will be on site contained. Once permitted the pig factory can increase by 50%.

Unless they need a zoning variance, or you can prove they're going to build in a flood plain or the owners have questionable environmental records in their other business ventures, you can't stop them. You may not have a say at all, depending on where you live and what rules are in place.

These factory farms ruin the environment
A couple have done stupid and illegal things, most don't. Same as with any business, there are people who think they can get away with anything, and those reflect badly on all of the rest.

depress farm values
You're going to have to prove that, too.

and smell up the area.
Smells like money to me. Some of the best fertilizer ever comes out of animal's backsides. [b:17faf066f2]Where do your emissions and waste go?[/b:17faf066f2] Hog odors beat the smell of a sewage treatment plant in my book every time. You won't be able to stop a livestock operation based on possible/potential/existing odors, and whether those odors enter your property or not.

I always ask everyone who doesn't want one of these mega-animal setups in their backyard where they were and how much support they gave to the smaller family farm setups when they were still around/going under left and right? The answer is always "well, mmmmm, not a whole lot." The fact is that most people could care less where their dinner comes from, so long as there is meat in the butcher case at the store. The "little guys" were taken for granted, and now, sadly, most are gone. Livestock has to be raised somewhere.

State of Indiana recently decided that people who have been spreading manure properly (many for 40+ years) needed to take a "Purdue test" (and some had to pay for the privledge) to "learn" how to spread manure.

County has a whole list above and beyond state regulations, including not being able to have a well within 100 feet of were an animal might take a dump. I'm pretty sure the hydrant has to be 100 ft. away. Do you want to pasture a few steers? Want to raise a dozen feeder pigs? Truck in the water, or buy stock in a garden hose company. Horses are "pets" and not "livestock", so the rule doesn't apply to them. Another strike against the little guy, with little or no scientific reasoning.

Farms with less than 600 hogs in Indiana face no state regulation. They can dump manure on the road or the ditch and there isn't much the state can do to them. You can have 1 million horses, (they don't crap at all, do they?) and face no regulation. Some politicians have small farms, and many have horses, therefore these regulations were obviously set up over those thresholds.

I dislike mega-livestock operations as much as the next guy. They are here to stay until the business changes. Odds are they'll get bigger and bigger. Someday, the system will explode, and take the mega-packers down with it.

I also had smoked pork sausage for lunch today. Very tasty.

AG
 
Property rights is another joke. My farm has 161 ac.been in the family for 3 generations. The farm right next to me is 125 acres with 75ac. tillable. Purchased in 2007 with a $1,830,000 mortgage on farm worth $500,000. How many of you know-it-alls would borrow $1,830,000 on 75 acres tillable? I could have bought it if I wanted to be financial irresponsible.
I guess I should have asked farm owners for the advice and not a bunch of know-nothings.
When the family farms are gone; and all your food comes from factory farms. You will be paying whatever they want to charge. I have no problem with farmers doing what they want with their land.
I have problems with a in debt farmer putting a farrowing operation that a large out of state corporation provides the sows, gilts, feed, and takes the baby pig to be finished; paying the farmer for the number of pigs produced at the end of the year. Leaving the management to another one of their companies but letting the farmer get the lawsuites, and EPA fines.
How many of you want that type of deal. I will put you in touch with Smithfield Foods out of Virginia.
 
Travel around the world and check out the local's opinions of Americans.
I ran a farrow to finish hog operation for a couple of decades.
 
b&d you live in a country that is so dependant on the USA and your favorite pasttime is throwing sticks at America!I know you will report this post to Kim like you did the last one,but you dont live here so shut up or become a cititzen and oh yea maybe be wiling to shed some blood for our country cause according to what I found you never served in your country
 
Please keep us informed on what happens with this.

Also, let us know what type of operation it is, Slaughter house too or just raising pigs to go to a slaughter house?

I am not a farmer and I have never lived near a farming operation like you described, maybe plant a 100 pine trees so that you can at least have the smell of Christmas trees with the pig p**p.
 
You know I dont really care what you think of America you can be a little azz all you want just as long as you get our tax dollars right
 
(quoted from post at 18:48:51 05/22/11) Property rights is another joke. My farm has 161 ac.been in the family for 3 generations. The farm right next to me is 125 acres with 75ac. tillable. Purchased in 2007 with a $1,830,000 mortgage on farm worth $500,000. How many of you know-it-alls would borrow $1,830,000 on 75 acres tillable? I could have bought it if I wanted to be financial irresponsible.

Congratulations on keeping the farm in the family. I honestly believe a man's home is his castle. The neighbor's house isn't your castle, too.


When the family farms are gone; and all your food comes from factory farms. You will be paying whatever they want to charge. I have no problem with farmers doing what they want with their land.

I don't know where you've been, but since 1998's hog price raping, a large percentage of "family" hog farms are long gone. The last couple of years have removed some more. Many others got in bed (contracted) with packers to stay alive. They wanted to keep their 3rd. + generation farms, too.

My dad sold 250 lb. fat hogs one December for $8/hundred wt. ($20 for the whole dang hog). Ma bought a Christmas ham for $25. I think we got screwed over royally there.

You were paying what "they" (the store) wanted you to then and you are today. You will pay what "they" want tomorrow, too. [b:c974cae259]Unless you hand a check or green money to a farmer and leave with a hog, you're not buying anything from the family hog farmer.[/b:c974cae259] I have yet to see a package of bacon in the store with my dad's name on it, yet the gov't wants eventually to have each and every animal independantly identifiable, and the farmer to pay for that too. Hog farmers sell hogs, not pork. Checkoff funded programs intentionally confuse people on this, to keep money advertising money rolling in for the packers from the farmers.

I have problems with a in debt farmer putting a farrowing operation that a large out of state corporation provides the sows, gilts, feed, and takes the baby pig to be finished; paying the farmer for the number of pigs produced at the end of the year. Leaving the management to another one of their companies but letting the farmer get the lawsuites, and EPA fines.
How many of you want that type of deal. I will put you in touch with Smithfield Foods out of Virginia

You're confusing farming and business, which really are the same. Why a farmer's debt load is an issue with you, I don't know. You're not renting him ground on your farm or anything. If I were go to a bank, and want to start a 1000 sow farrow to finish operation, they'd laugh at me. If it were set up as above, it could be done. They'd really laugh at a new 100 sow farrow to finisher wanting financing. Most operations now are not farrow to finish, and everyone has a "specialty'. Here lies the dilema: does someone do something like above, or do they leave the farm? When the folks leave the farm, the majority leave it for good. As much as it would please me to see them return of the days of a everybody having 20 sows or 10 milk cows, the majority of those are gone, and if current trends continue, aren't coming back. There are minimum pick-ups for milk in some places, and in some areas there is no market for animals other that direct contract with packers. If you're an independent with 25 or 50 good fat hogs a month, they may not even buy them.

These large setups always lay the liability on the farmer. That's a stupid business decision to get into in my opinion. Again, I dislike mega-livestock operations, too, and never would get myself involved in an operation like you describe. If someone else wants to, I can't stop them.

AG
 
Ag in IN you are correct in it is none of my business what his mortgage amount is. Sorry.
But when a farmer tells his neighboors that he paid too much for the farm and he is in debt.And that why he is applying for a permit. I take a active interest in what is going in next to me. Upside down loans in the housing market is what has caused so much hardship for the American families. Greed and irresponsibility will continue unless it is stopped
 
My Dad raised hogs all the time I was growing up. After I was old enough I had chores to do morning and night. We had cows and chickens which I had to help with as well. I never thought the smells were all that offensive and still don't. I have walked into a lot of houses that the smell was much more offensive. Maybe we should start and origination the goes around and checks houses that locate close to farms for bad odors that will offend the hogs.
 
We've got a 3000 sow operation about 1/2 mile
from us. They run the manure through a central
pivot irrigation system, and like to do it on
holliays, like Mothers day, Memorial day, 4th
of July, Labor day! Gag a maggot? The maggots
all go scooting upwind when they "Spray Manure"
It sure ruins a "Holiday cookout", but then
there aren't many city slickers mooving out here
to raise a pet horse on 1 acre, eather!
 
I would be the last person to go sniveling to Kim because jddriver said something.
I would say ask Kim but she doesn't have time or the stomach for such silliness.
 
You had better hope jddriver never pulls a quick stop. You two would look terrible strange with your head stuck up jd's a$$.
 
(quoted from post at 20:25:25 05/22/11) Ag in IN you are correct in it is none of my business what his mortgage amount is. Sorry.
But when a farmer tells his neighboors that he paid too much for the farm and he is in debt.And that why he is applying for a permit. I take a active interest in what is going in next to me. Upside down loans in the housing market is what has caused so much hardship for the American families. Greed and irresponsibility will continue unless it is stopped

The guy is a fool. You have that part figured out. A fool and his money are soon parted. His is long gone, and that hasn't increased his wisdom level any. Wait a while, you might own the place, yet.
Many bankers are idiots, as has been proven in the last 5+ years. On the ag end, they want million dollar+ loans instead of 10 hundred-thousand dollar loans. 1 or 2 guys taking you for a hundred grand each isn't good. 1 or 2 guys take you for a million +, well, we all know where this is going. Eventually the idiotic theory of "too big to fail" will apply to choice larger farmers, too. They'll get a bailout, and the little guy will get screwed.

The vast majority of people will never embrace the idea of fiscal responsibility when our country has no intention of following this theory.

The good news for you is that probably half of these places never get built. There is a dairy south of here that never got built. I think all of their permits have expired. People came up with any argument they could dream up. The argument was even made during a hearing that the calves could make a break for it and stampede the nearby town. A local ag banker stood up against it. A week later he was fired. At least the bank wanted someone who supported agricultrue signing farm loans.
Sad thing is after the county officials couldn't stop this from being built, they dreamed up a bunch of rediculous new rules that unless you can afford a 7-figure lawyer, there probably will be absoluely no new animal agriculture growth at all, even on a small scale in our county.

Uncle Sam will not be seriously regulating/enforcing existing regulations on animal odors or farm dust any time soon. The one thing that keeps us peasants (middle class) in check is readily available and relatively cheap food. If that goes away, look out.

AG
 
AG in In you are right on. I do not want 1 farmer to suffer because of the backlash against mega confinements. And that what will happen when politicans react. They do next to nothing to regulate the new forms of agriculture but will put all kinds of regulations on all the farmers when the thing goes south. Thank you everyones imput John
 

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