Cost of driving and hauling

730d se

Well-known Member
For those that still think it is our imagination that law enforcement is using us to load their piggy banks, please read this article.

"Highway robbery has taken on a whole new meaning with local and state governments now jacking up the fines to such an extent that it's leaving people destitute, and in some cases, homeless or even incarcerated.

In California, the cost of a ticket for a broken headlight nearly tripled to $100 this year, according to a report by Fox News. Meanwhile, fines for parking in front of a fire hydrant in Pensacola, Fla. were jacked up 900% to $100.

Local and state governments have long turned to issuing traffic and parking fines as a way of raising more revenue, but doubling or tripling the amount of traffic fines for modest violations seems less like "enforcing the law" and more like a form of extortion aimed at filling the dwindling coffers of local government.

Making matters worse, all of this is happening at a time when millions of citizens are struggling to eke out a living on unemployment or lower incomes. The increases are creating dire situations for those unable to pay skyrocketing fees and penalties. The Atlantic, for example, recently reported about a family whose minor traffic infractions snowballed into jail time and homelessness.

The chain of events between receiving a run-of-the-mill traffic ticket and finding yourself out on the streets are not as outlandish as they might seem. Take the scenario below for example:

1. A driver is stopped for a defective taillight. Where in the past such tickets would be cleared once the driver repairs the light, now some municipalities are issuing large fines regardless of whether the defect is fixed or not.

2. The officer asks for current auto insurance, and finding it has expired (because the driver couldn't afford his payments), issues yet another ticket.

3. Since the driver is just getting by, he can neither afford to get the taillight repaired, pay the fines (added together, in the hundreds of dollars) or renew the auto insurance, which might well have climbed now that the driver has received a couple of traffic tickets.

4. Then things snowball out of control. The driver receives a relatively minor infraction (not coming to a complete stop at a deserted intersection, illegal right turn, etc.), now the unpaid previous tickets trigger a huge penalty and another ticket. Knowing he cannot pay the accumulated fines (now easily over $1,000), he either contacts the court asking for mercy or simply ignores the summons as a hopeless cause.

5. If the hapless driver is unfortunate enough to be stopped again, his failure to respond to his previous summons could trigger an arrest and the impoundment of his vehicle.

If law-abiding citizens are losing their cars, their livelihoods or their freedom because of minor traffic infractions, it can't honestly be considered "justice."

While it's easy to understand the need for local government to raise revenue, that need does not justify raising it through "by any means necessary" traffic fine increases. There is no real deterrence value to such stupendous fines. In fact, many of these increases are essentially unknown to everyday citizens -- some discover that a moving violation ticket has been hiked up to $500 or more only when they receive the "courtesy notice" in the mail.

Since we are a nation founded on the principle of "taxation with representation," shouldn't local governments be asking the taxpayers for higher taxes at the ballot box, or making the case for higher taxes to our elected officials? It seems to me that boosting traffic fines to back-breaking levels is a way of raising money "through the back door" rather than by directly making a case for higher taxes.

In the long run, such huge fines not only serve to anger taxpayers and delegitimize local governments, but they also divert our law enforcement resources away from more important crime-fighting measures."

CREDITS: Charles Hugh Smith writes the Of Two Minds blog and is the author of numerous books, most recently "Survival+: Structuring Prosperity for Yourself and the Nation."
 
"If law-abiding citizens are losing their cars, their livelihoods or their freedom because of minor traffic infractions, it can't honestly be considered "justice."

,,,, this is absurd, if he was such a law abiding citizen he would have had insurance, and had the light fixed when he got the ticket, nobody made him drive with out insurance , he got caught driving without the insurance,, because of the light being out, the state didnt make him homeless or take anything from him,

he DECIDED to take a chance driving illegally, and got caught, what if he killed your family while driving without insurance?? you would be singing a whole different tune I am sure,

Times are tough, decisions need to be made, but dont blame the gov for every little thing that you have control over, and driving illegally is a decision that has to be made, when you get caught you pay the price..

"IF" this is a true scenario it sucks for him, but a good thing he is off the road, almost like the guy hauling a backhoe on a 1/2 ton pickup,, duh!!! only a matter of time before he gets caught, and then he will say they are picking on him..[we've all seen it on this forum. I just shake my head],again its only a matter of time before he gets caught, and you know he wont have enough insurance to cover the accident, because he is illegal to haul it in the first place,

sorry for the rant , but people need to start thinking of THEIR actions and the consequences for them, and stop blaming and relying on everybody else to fix their problems and trouble.
 
Call it what you wish, however, it is law here that you carry insurance. Officers from years ago may not have been as thorough as todays training requires. Lights are required, expecially at night, regardless of their location. Being licensed is also required. If you comply with those and you are not making immature decisions drawing attention, then you will go by un-noticed. The officer does not set the fees and fines, they only issue what is deserved. The courts make the fine schedules. Taking vehicles off the road for violations is what the public expects. These newzies should investigate more before they start looking like a tabloid.
 
When Texas instituted Mandatory liability auto insurance many years ago, it was supposed to be cheap for those with 'no-fault' meaning no moving citations or accidents. Well, guess what, it was not cheap. If anything it was more expensive than the 'voluntary' insurance. Why? Because now that it is mandatory, the thieves in the legislature can get rich by kickbacks from the insurance companies. What a ripoff? Where is our consumer protection?
 
And they also should make all Farm equiptment pass a complete and thorough safety inspection also and only be operated by a liscensed driver and complete insurance coverage, working lights, all brakes working etc. nice tight front ends no dry rotted tires and road safe. An old tractor or farm truck used for hauling silage or maunre can kill someone just as dead as a car with a broken tail light.
 
I have never seen anyone pull a backhoe with a 1/2 ton pickup.
Everyone around here has at least a 1 ton dually or a 2 ton dump
truck with a tandem axle dual wheel trailer.Several even have
single axle semis.

My late FIL pulled his Case backhoe with a 2 ton dump truck and
a pintle hitch trailer.
 
Amen to Ralph Nader... I'll bet a lot of people wish they had him over the current "Anti-Christ" in office now.

CT
 
(quoted from post at 03:00:39 11/01/09) I have never seen anyone pull a backhoe with a 1/2 ton pickup.
Everyone around here has at least a 1 ton dually or a 2 ton dump
truck with a tandem axle dual wheel trailer.Several even have
single axle semis.

My late FIL pulled his Case backhoe with a 2 ton dump truck and
a pintle hitch trailer.

""Dont know on the 580's but on the 580 b there is a hydraulic plug in on the right rear i think. If you hooked this plug in with a jumper hose to another hydraulic source you would be able to run all hoe and down rigger functions on the rear of the machine. If you got the boom, and down riggers locked up you could winch it back onto a trailer with the loader down, but watch you boom height on a raised trailer like was mentioned. We have hauled my brothers 580b on a gooseneck flatbed with a half ton pickup several times.""

This was just a few posts down asking on a non running backhoe,This is what made me make that statement,,

, I dont do it,and would never,

but on this and other forums you hear them talking about moving lots of heavy loads with very inadequate towing rigs,, hopefully its just talk, but ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lets be safe out there,
 
A BIG 10-4 on what you said. Everyone now is crying that they are victims. But I guess you can't blame them with the justice system allowing people to sue over anything and the gov't giving money to deadbeats.
 
It costs money to drive. If you can't afford insurance or to have your vehicle safe, you shouldn't be driving. If someone is really hurting for money, having a vehicle on the road certainly isn't going to help their situation. That being said, some of the fines they give out are absurd for very minor infractions. Dave
 

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