tie down chains?

karlinpa · Nov 24, 2020

heard today pa dot checked a man with trailer and told him his chains werent dot compliant they didnt have dot tags on
them is this true? never heard of this

SkipperII · Nov 24, 2020

I'm not aware of any DOT tags on chains. Here's a quick reference. https://www.columbusmckinnon.com/en-us/resources/blog/the-low-down-on-chain-tie-downs/ But I use straps for hauling wall block, and pavers, and they do require tags.

504 · Nov 24, 2020

Sure, Chains are marked(stamped) if they are not tagged or stamped, then they revert back to common capacity. Gold colored chain is coded as grade 70(transport chain) I like 5/16 grade 70.easy to throw and easy to get around axles and draw bars. I also keep a set of 3/6 for the heavy stuff.

SVcummins · Nov 25, 2020

Some chains actually have a metal . Most have a g70 stamp and gold colored if they grade 70 which is what they call transport chain : you could get some g120 chain which is blue if you want to really tie something on

karlinpa · Nov 25, 2020

come to think about it i work part time for towing co and i did see blue chains on the large truck wreckers and we have gold chains on the smaller trucks but all my farm chains all sizes are old and rusty as they are 20 0r so yrs old probally not for lowboy anymore

J.Wondergem · Nov 25, 2020

The only chains that I've seen that have metal tags are for lifting with overhead cranes, an hoists.

john in la · Nov 26, 2020

You could use rope to tie down the load if you want to. As long as you use enough of it to cover the weight

No way it will stand up in court if he was ticketed for his chains.

kevinj54 · Nov 26, 2020

Graded transport chains are stamped into every few links.

kevinj54 · Nov 26, 2020

(quoted from post at 07:58:46 11/26/20)
Graded transport chains are stamped into every few links.

showcrop · Nov 28, 2020

Karl in PA, YT is the best place that you con go to to get false information on transportation laws. You will get a lot of "I was always taught", and "A DOT inspector told me" or "I was always told". For the correct information read it yourself at Cargo Securement rules FMCSA.

BarnyardEngineering · Nov 30, 2020

(quoted from post at 06:28:52 11/28/20)

Karl in PA, YT is the best place that you con go to to get false information on transportation laws. You will get a lot of "I was always taught", and "A DOT inspector told me" or "I was always told". For the correct information read it yourself at Cargo Securement rules FMCSA.

1. Good luck trying to convince a DOT officer that they're wrong.

2. FMSCA does not cover state idiosyncrasies.

showcrop · Nov 30, 2020

(quoted from post at 09:14:02 11/30/20)

(quoted from post at 06:28:52 11/28/20)

Karl in PA, YT is the best place that you con go to to get false information on transportation laws. You will get a lot of "I was always taught", and "A DOT inspector told me" or "I was always told". For the correct information read it yourself at Cargo Securement rules FMCSA.

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1. Good luck trying to convince a DOT officer that they're wrong.

2. FMSCA does not cover state idiosyncrasies.

Barnyard, thanks for backing me up on what I posted!

kevinj54 · Nov 30, 2020

Well said guys.

It is cheap enough to buy the needed books from JJ Keller and have the info with you!!!!!!!!!

SVcummins · Dec 6, 2020

And that my fine feathered friend is why the YTDOT was
brought into being .

dpendzic · Dec 6, 2020

how do you determine the size of the transport chains? i/4 the weight of the tractor? or 1/2 the weight for the 2 front chains and back 2 chains? I see transport chains come in 1/4" size

kevinj54 · Dec 6, 2020

(quoted from post at 09:45:15 12/06/20) how do you determine the size of the transport chains? i/4 the weight of the tractor? or 1/2 the weight for the 2 front chains and back 2 chains? I see transport chains come in 1/4" size

You look at regs and choose the tie downs from the chart.

You will see working loads and proper tie down methods.

dpendzic · Dec 6, 2020

how do you determine the proper working load needed?

showcrop · Dec 6, 2020

(quoted from post at 06:45:15 12/06/20) how do you determine the size of the transport chains? i/4 the weight of the tractor? or 1/2 the weight for the 2 front chains and back 2 chains? I see transport chains come in 1/4" size

dpendzic, FMCSA cargo securement rules.

dpendzic · Dec 7, 2020

thanks but i am not subject to those rules as i am not involved with interstate commerce
just want to figure out what is recommended to tie down a 3000 tractor in NY state

kevinj54 · Dec 7, 2020

(quoted from post at 18:32:47 12/07/20) thanks but i am not subject to those rules as i am not involved with interstate commerce
just want to figure out what is recommended to tie down a 3000 tractor in NY state

Pretty much if you take that load out you ARE subject to the rules.

I see way too much stuff fall off Joe Blows rig on the road.

Get the book and do it right.

showcrop · Dec 8, 2020

(quoted from post at 15:32:47 12/07/20) thanks but i am not subject to those rules as i am not involved with interstate commerce
just want to figure out what is recommended to tie down a 3000 tractor in NY state

Dependzic, your response is difficult to understand. Could you explain why you would not want to go by the Federal rules?

Are you thinking that New York rules would be significantly different from Federal rules?

Generally speaking, state or local rules will be the same as Federal unless the state or local rules are tougher.

dpendzic · Dec 8, 2020

NY state has some pretty crazy rules at times--I have won in court when i have proved them wrong, since i have automatic expert status in NY state courts---the standard in the construction industry is to add 50% to the dead weight in the direction of impact
which i would think the two rear chains should be designed for--so 3000Lb x 1.5 dived by 2 = 2250lb per chain

DoubleO7 · Dec 8, 2020

(quoted from post at 11:31:17 12/08/20) NY state has some pretty crazy rules at times--I have won in court when i have proved them wrong, since i have automatic expert status in NY state courts---the standard in the construction industry is to add 50% to the dead weight in the direction of impact
which i would think the two rear chains should be designed for--so 3000Lb x 1.5 dived by 2 = 2250lb per chain

And your asking us here why ???

SVcummins · Dec 12, 2020

Two half inch grade 70 chains and two binders

SVcummins · Dec 12, 2020

A ford 3000 is sell below the ten thousand pounds rule two 5/16 grade 70 chains and two ratcheting binders and you’ll be set so long as you Know how to use them

dpendzic · Dec 12, 2020

what tensile load will those chains have?

SVcummins · Dec 13, 2020

...
Chain for tieing down your tractor

john in la · Dec 13, 2020

[b:654c4848f0]I am not subject to those rules as I am not involved with interstate commerce[/b:654c4848f0]

LOL!!!!
You realize cargo securement is a safety rule that applies to everyone.
Just like everyone needs lights and a seat belt.

[b:654c4848f0] what tensile load will those chains have?[/b:654c4848f0]

That is in the FMCSA cargo securement rules that do not apply to you.

dpendzic · Dec 13, 2020

Thanks---got it!!--.8g in the forward direction and .5g in the lateral and rearward direction. And if you are using unmarked chain the WLL is to be based on grade 30 proof coil chain---this is far less than the loads i was considering.

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