Long axles hauling private

BarnyardEngineering

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Rochester, NY
Hauling my own tractor on my own trailer with my own truck (dually pickup with gooseneck), but it's got the long axles sticking out.

If you're commercial you've got to get overwidth permits to be legal, or run after dark and hope you don't get caught.

Several years ago we hauled a grain drill that had a drawbar welded on the back for pulling a packer, which made it 9'6" wide when placed sideways on the trailer. Called the Sheriff's, the State Trooper's, the DMV... Nobody could help us on what to do, if we needed a permit, or how to get one. We ended up hauling it on a Sunday, and nobody said boo.

The difference here is this tractor is across state lines, but thankfully not through any of the dreaded "I" states...

Any words of wisdom, or wisecrack remarks? YTDOT and anti's welcome to comment.
 
If it is over 8 foot 6 inch wide then it is and oversized load once you place it on a trailer , it does not matter if it's your tractor and hauling for yourself or having a big truck haul it for you .Now if you drive it MOST states will allow 14 ft behind a farm tractor as long as you have the flashers out to the end of what you pulling or driving . Here in Ohio we can TOW ag equipment up to 14 feet behind a tractor / truck on it's TRANS PORT wheels but shame on you if you place and item on the trailer and to haul 8.6 your trailer better be 8.6 wide if it is less then that is as wide as you can HAUL . The load must not excede the width or the trailer.
At one time Ag and oil filed equipment was exempt up to 10.6 being hauled and could be hauled 24 hours a day except holidays . Then someone figured out hey we are loosen MONEY here on permit fees and POOF over night everything changed and now you need a permit , they USE to offer a Blanket permit for a year up to 10.6 and it was easy to get all ya had to do is show proof of million dollar liability insurance and a NEED to the permit and give them MONEY . Anything over 10.6 then ya had to get a PERMIT for that load each time you made the move up to 12 foot if wider then they got funny about where and how and when plus ya had to have and escort along with routes to be used . Then they would look over your planned route of travel and make changes .
 
at 9'6 your still a foot oversize and a smart cop will get ya, at the very least make sure to have red flags on the axle ends so other drivers can see them, if somebody hits the axle ends, the leagle fees will buy you several tractors,
 
I don't understand what your issue is?? But many states have an exemption for moving farm equipment. (like the grain drill) Is your trailer to wide? or is it the tractor. (most older tractors were not) and if its that big I doubt you would be moving it with a pickup.
 
The problem: Tractor is 118" wide at the axles. Sticks 8" off each side of the trailer.

Trailer is a standard 20K tandem dually gooseneck behind a dually pickup.

In the case of the grain drill, it was 9'6" long from the tip of the tongue to the tip of the rear drawbar. Sideways on the trailer, it made the load 9'6" wide. Overwidth.

My experience is, NOBODY in authority can tell me, a private guy with his own trailer moving his own stuff, what I need to do to "legally" tow these overwidth loads. Everything applies to commercial haulers.
 
Ok I get it now, far as I know there are no exemptions for private vs commercial. Not sure if item is on trailer if a farm exemption would cover it vs towing it. We have all moved stuff slightly over width and figured it as "everything is legal long as you don't get caught". You would want to read the wide load laws for your state ad that will tell you. Stuff like banner on front, flag at each corner, escort up front and so on. Is there any way to make it legal? are you just moving it a few miles?
 
I bought a 500 bushel grain cart need to haul it
across 3 states called the real dot and they said I
need a permit so I?ll get permits before I go
 
Moving it over 1000 miles, across a few states. Way too much time on the road to avoid contact with DOT.

"Everything is legal as long as you don't get caught." Yeah, that's the attitude we took with the grain drill.
 
Barnyard: it may be to your interest to "get a permit" of some sorts as it may be a get out of jail free card (it was for me) in a past situation. Nest up sometimes if you get a fine you have to chalk it up as "cost of doing business" I would look at my route to see if there is anyway to minimize exposure to DOT.
 
Commercial or Private; Pinto car or tractor trailer.
If you are over 102" wide on the federal highway system or 96" on some state roads you need a over size permit.

The only way you would not need a permit is if you can fit into a loop hole because you are a farmer and that usually does not apply once you put the tractor on a trailer.

Weight; size; lighting; speed; are all safety rules.
And safety rules apply to everyone.
 
As soon as you put it on a trailer you need a
permit,there is no exception for farmers when it is
loaded on a trailer. Pull it and stay off the interstate
and you don?t need one. BTW. Most oversized
permits are pretty cheap
 
Why not use your computer and look up state by state your going through and look up their oversize law
requirements. There are some differences from state to state.
 

Come on now Barnyard REALLY????? and you can make your 'puter work for you???? When I have an oversized load I just call my state DOT and they set me up and with neighboring states too. Or I can call my local independent permit company. The trucking companies all have to get their permits. The old "nobody can tell me" means only that you are not asking. If you don't own your own home or property go ahead and take the risk.
 
showcrop like I said one quick call to the real dot
and he gave me all the answers I was looking for I
need a permit because I?m 12 feet wide bring it by
and we?ll look at it and issue the permit
 
Does your state's online CDL manual say anything about when permits are required and how to apply for one? Looking online would eliminate the phone calls.
 
504 The real dot told me I needed a permit to take 12 feet down the freeway wheels on tne ground . One phone calls all it takes and rely on the ytdot for important information
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Well, we made THREE phone calls, and all we got was "I dunno." County Sheriff's, State Trooper's, and DMV. None of them knew anything about overwidth. State DOT are the guys who fix and plow the state roads. As long as you're not tearing up their road, they don't care. Troopers staff the inspection stations, so you'd think they'd have a clue.

I've tried the state DMV website but all they want to do is sell me custom license plates.
 
You need to call the port of entry or the state
department of transportation none of th people you
called know anything about that stuff . Go to the
state you are in type say Wyoming department of
transportation get the number call and in about 3
minutes you?ll have an answer
 
(quoted from post at 11:25:49 01/30/19) Well, we made THREE phone calls, and all we got was "I dunno." County Sheriff's, State Trooper's, and DMV. None of them knew anything about overwidth. State DOT are the guys who fix and plow the state roads. As long as you're not tearing up their road, they don't care. Troopers staff the inspection stations, so you'd think they'd have a clue.

I've tried the state DMV website but all they want to do is sell me custom license plates.

Call Keller trip Permits 1.800.231.5266
 
If you call state police you have to ask for the( motor carrier division) they are the ones that know the
laws.
 
Get the Permit ! Under 40-50 miles you might get away with it But More than that its a Big ???????????????????????? only other way is to Drive it ? heard of a guy who Drives Tractors From Texas to N.Y. /Mid West to N.Y. Crazy To Me .
 
Barnyard: If they are not over 102 wide no permit needed. If in WI if you stay off the interstate and are farm not over 10ft no permit needed per WI permit office. For IL if AG with a wheel base no permit needed. Any place else permit needed. If you are in IA and think you will use it more than once in a year get the annual permit $25.00 Single Trip is $20.00 You will also need permits for the locale you travel in to the state highway. Though I don't know anybody who gets them except in Baltimore MD, from the port, as the fine is more than the permit.
There are places like Transport Permits in Des Moines IA that will get them for you. Of course for a fee. They have a couple other offices in IA I don't work with only the Des Moines office had a bit of an issue with a high load with them one time.
The width counts from the end of axles on each end. You would be surprised how many people just measure the tires.
 
(quoted from post at 11:55:29 01/31/19) Barnyard: If they are not over 102 wide no permit needed. If in WI if you stay off the interstate and are farm not over 10ft no permit needed per WI permit office. For IL if AG with a wheel base no permit needed. Any place else permit needed. If you are in IA and think you will use it more than once in a year get the annual permit $25.00 Single Trip is $20.00 You will also need permits for the locale you travel in to the state highway. Though I don't know anybody who gets them except in Baltimore MD, from the port, as the fine is more than the permit.
There are places like Transport Permits in Des Moines IA that will get them for you. Of course for a fee. They have a couple other offices in IA I don't work with only the Des Moines office had a bit of an issue with a high load with them one time.
The width counts from the end of axles on each end. You would be surprised how many people just measure the tires.


Caterpillar guy, he already told you that it is 118 inches
 
Showcrop : You obviously didn't read my whole reply or misunderstood it. I was referring to the max width with more than that needing a permit. Then detailed the states that had other lesser requirements for farm equipment.
 
(quoted from post at 16:35:32 01/31/19) Showcrop : You obviously didn't read my whole reply or misunderstood it. I was referring to the max width with more than that needing a permit. Then detailed the states that had other lesser requirements for farm equipment.

Well, I thought I understood that 118 inches exceeds the 102 inch max width.
 

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