Royboy

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I have some .22 ammo with plain lead pits & some coated tips. What is the advantages or disadvantes. What are .22 shorts used for? tks
 
To me 22 shorts are a round to make a person mad and kick you back sides. LOL Have a pistol that shorts them but I have NEVER shot it

As for the full metal jacket type they tend to go in deeper and spread out less. The lead ones spread/mushroom out faster doing more damage
 
Each have there good and bad. 22 shorts are good for close range. 22 long rifle good for most small game and varmints
 
In .22's, there's very little difference between "plain" lead (which is typically covered with some form of lobricant/corrosion inhibitor) and plated lead, as the plating's extremely thin and serves mostly to help prevent lead buildup in your barrel and as a marketing gimmick, allowing different colors and such. Don't discount the power of .22 shorts--they're fully capable of a fatal hit on man-sized targets, and are often used for dispatching furberars or other trapped animals due to their low recoil, minimal report, and minimal fur damage. We used them for hunting frogs when younger, as there was less chance of ricochets or excessive meat damage compared to .22LR's.
 
Even for plinking I think 22 shorts are a waste of time and money. You would think that shorts would be cheaper than LR but they usually cost more. The velocity is about the same but with a 25% lighter bullet so there is no real noise reduction. Worse is that they have to travel substantially farther, than a LR, to engage the rifling which has a big effect on precision. And as such they also foul up the end of the chamber such that a LR might jam or not chamber at all. 22 Long was basically a 22 short bullet in a LR casing. Can't really find them any more, I believe because their accuracy was horrible. Below is my latest 22 bench rest rifle.

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Ah but there are some fire arms made to shoot just the 22 short and nothing else. I have one that I have never short and a 22LR will not even fit in it
 
i use the .22 shorts for plinking and when running the trap line. they dont carry as far and are not as loud as a lr round. many years ago we could buy .22 bb caps and cb caps. they were shorter than a short round and if i remember they just used the primer for power. good for rats in the corn crib.
 

I've bot some of the .22 subsonic short rounds that have a muzzle velocity less than the speed of sound so they are supposed to be quieter. They don't have that supersonic crack but they are still too loud for me to want to use on the edge of the city limits for those darn possums that show up. Ran into a guy tonight at Walmart who was buying a BB rifle. Asked him what for and he said to shoot mice who are around in droves this year. Talked to him about shooting varmints, etc. as he lives on the edge of a city limits but a different town. He said to take a 2 liter plastic bottle and tape the cap end around the barrel of a .22. Then just shoot through the plastic bottom and that would silence them.
 
(quoted from post at 23:40:13 01/18/21) i use the .22 shorts for plinking and when running the trap line. they dont carry as far and are not as loud as a lr round. many years ago we could buy .22 bb caps and cb caps. they were shorter than a short round and if i remember they just used the primer for power. good for rats in the corn crib.

I buy these, .22LR casing with a tiny 20 grain cone shape bullet.
They are very quite and about the same force as if shot via a sling shot. Powderless, primer propelled.

https://www.aguilaammo.com/ammunition/1b220337/
 
For the same noise reason I use those CCI 'Quiet' rounds in my pocket gopher gun. They are very slow (710fps I think) and are almost as quiet as a powerful air rifle (no real noise
reduction in a pistol). Problem is they are expensive and hard to find. The round nose ones put a clean hole through rodents. They have 'segmented' ones but like hollow points
can/will blow their guts all over the place.
 
Back before the shot in shot rounds came in plastic cups, I bought a used .22 revolver and had the riffling bored out.
Back then almost all farms had livestock and the barns that housed that livestock, also in those barns were Sparrows and Starlings.
I used that revolver to shoot those birds. It did a nice job and did not damage the barns.
One of my neighbors called it Sparrow Special.
 
Depends how far away. I built if for a fund raising raffle for our sportsman's club. It has no barrel tuner but will group just under 1 MOA with Eley Tenex. Both my and my wife's 100 yd guns are tuned for Lapua X-act and can group 1/2 MOA (1/2" at 100 yds) better than half the time. Been doing competition for some time now.
 
I have approx 35K rounds of CCI Mini Mag .22 LR. But only about 500 rounds of shorts. About the only good thing I have found with .22 shorts is you can stuff a lot more of them in a tube fed rifle like a Remington 552 or 572
 
there isn't the call for shorts that there is for LR... you can't run shorts thru an auto that is designed to feed 22lr.. unless you feed it one at a time.. (most people wont do that) one local farm store has had 22wmr and 22 hp shorts lately, limit 1 box of each per day.. whenever im in there i get one of each.. i have a pistol that has cylinders for both..
 
I use 22 short hollow points out of my Stevens NRA bolt action to kill those pesky red squirrels. With the long heavy barrel its pretty quite and doesn't tear up the deck.
 
Normally .22lr is my favorite round. Close to the house though, I us a Crossman .177 pellet rifle at 1,000 fps. on the tree rats. I can usually take their eyes out at picnic table to the oak tree range (15 yards).
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The idea of copper coated bullets originally was to avoid all of the gunk that stuck to the old style grease coated bullets. Most of the uncoated .22 bullets of today use some kind of dry lube, I believe. Copper coated leave less lead fouling in a barrel, eliminates the need for some kind of bullet lube, and leave no chance of picking up gunk in your pocket that could possibly scratch a barrel. How much real benifit copper coated bullets are in a .22 would seem to be open to conjecture, I would think, but at one time it was a huge advertising point used by one company over the other major manufacturer of ammo.
 
My go to yard .22 is a Winchester model 74 semi auto. 20 shots .22 short only.Tube fed through
the stock. They were made from 1939 to 1951. Mine was made in 1940 so it does not have grooved
receiver and iron sights are tough on these old eyes. It needs to find a home in some teenagers
residence.
 
Winchester .22 short only available in Models, 74, 06, 62. Lot of rifles labeled 22lr,long, short on barrel but Shooting shorts or longs in them was terrible accuracy. Too much headspace.
 
(quoted from post at 12:56:10 01/19/21) My go to yard .22 is a Winchester model 74 semi auto. 20 shots .22 short only.Tube fed through
the stock. They were made from 1939 to 1951. Mine was made in 1940 so it does not have grooved
receiver and iron sights are tough on these old eyes. It needs to find a home in some teenagers
residence.

I am a teenager heart....
 
Please leave me alone.

Who said I was talking about a rifle?? Whic i am not but again you don't know much about me
 
Good morning, royboy: Maybe I can tag along for a minute, I just want an opinion regarding 22s. I have an old family pistol that came from my dad, he had it in the 1940s so it is around 60-80 yers old. When I received it from the estate, some 22 shorts came with it.

My question is, is this old ammo safe to use in this old revolver?

BTW, it is a seven-shot revolver, which I have thought was unusual. Thanks for any info/opinion.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.
 
The ammo is fine. Just be prepared for the safe handling of squib loads and hang fires. I have had hang fires in modern ammo.

The revolver is another matter. You might want to have a gun smith check it out.

.357 ammmo is “safe”, but not necessarily safe if you shoot it in a .38 special revolver.
 
Be carful, when my grandfather died my dad attempted to unload an older revolver he had. It didn't have a loading gate or a half cock position. The hammer contacted the shell rim directly. It was loaded by pulling the pin and removing the cylinder. To be safe the hammer must be set down on an empty cylinder. Dad managed to shoot the shop vac in the utility room, my mother was less then pleased. I was called in to unload it.
 
Can't believe no one mentioned shooting. 22 longs instead of shorts or long rifles. I dont see much difference with a short or a long rifle. I miss the same with both.
 
I haven't seen 22 long for a very long time. I see shorts and long rifle but not the between round
 
What I have is one of those old Saturday night specials that you can hide in your hand 6 shot pistols
 
I don't think I've ever seen "22 long" for sale on a shelf. I found some in a boxes in a flat of mixed ammo at an auction years ago. I like using the 22 short when I am working with my son on marksmanship. I know he probably doesn't have his ear plugs in right but with shorts and Cricket Rifle it doesn't really matter.
 
Back in the mid-1960's the nieghbor kid and I used to buy .22 longs for shooting starlings. They worked better than shorts, and were a bit cheaper than LR. In those days a couple of pennies per box was big money to us kids. I haven't seen .22 longs listed anywhere in decades.
 
I’m my opinion 22 short are quiet, more than sub sonic. They require me to hand load one at a time in a bolt action. Still accurate enough at short range to hit a target .
 
I got curious the other day to see how much powder was in three .22 rounds. See the pic for the amounts of powder in a sub-sonic short, sub-sonic long rifle and regular long rifle. I shoot the subsonics in my basement at targets and occasionally do a Lee Harvey Oswald on tree rats out of my upstairs bathroom window. Reports are about equal to what my spring loaded pellet gun generate.
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