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Re: ethanol gas

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Goose

07-24-2020 15:49:14




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This thread made my day.

I've used E10 for 40 years, or ever since it came out, in everything from farm tractors to chain saws, weedeaters, etc. and I can honestly say I've never had a problem I could blame on the ethanol.

I inadvertently let a wheeled string trimmer sit outside all last winter with ethanol in the tank. It started on the second pull this spring and ran perfectly with what was in the tank.

I think a lot of problems are blamed onto ethanol when they're actually caused by something else. Plus there's an endless amount of barroom and coffee shop disinformation going around about ethanol. Someone says E10 will damage two stroke engines because it burns hotter than pure gasoline, another study says ethanol burns cooler. I prefer to believe a credible study.

The owner's manuals for both of my Stihl chain saws simply advise against using gasoline with more then 10% ethanol. So that's what I use in them. They both sat for close to two years while I had back surgery and followup problems. They both started right up this spring on what was in the tank.

And so it goes.

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DR. EVIL

07-27-2020 09:38:20




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 Re: ethanol gas in reply to Goose, 07-24-2020 15:49:14  
A quick Google search shows that the "Experts" think as much as 3% of gasoline sold as motor fuel is E-0, non-lethal containing gasoline. BUT, gasoline retailers in Iowa claim that E-0 is 14% of the gallons they sell. North Carolina seems to be the largest user of E-0, but WISCONSIN has the highest number of retail E-0 outlets. They really can't pin down an exact number of gallons of E-0 gas that's sold because typically the ethanol is added to the gas as the tank trucks going to the stations are loaded, but they hint that something more than 5% is the actual number. I got in a really heated argument on a forum years ago when somebody said only 5% of the nation's corn crop was used to make ethanol to add to gasoline. My research showed in was between 35 and 40%. Using corn to make ethanol to stretch our motor fuel supply seems silly, that only raises the cost to feed livestock, which increases meat prices. Articles I've read say a plant called "Sawgrass", typically found in the Florida Everglades has absolutely NO other use, and could be processed to make a higher amount of ethanol per ton of plant matter processed. But we use corn because farmers grow too much of it. International Harvester tested running DT-466 engines on 100% ethanol back in the late 1970's. The idea was that farmers would grow corn and distill it on their farm to power their equipment. Ethanol is a great motor fuel, makes crazy horsepower, need to change oil more frequently. Drag racers and sprint car racers have been using it for 60-70 years.

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DR. EVIL

07-25-2020 10:59:52




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 Re: ethanol gas in reply to Goose, 07-24-2020 15:49:14  
I'm not going to get into ethanol is good or bad discussion, just say I buy Kwik-Trip 91 octane RECREATIONAL 100% gasoline because it's formulated to stay good for a long time, all winter in fact.
I do want to relate some information about oil mixed with ANY kind of gasoline. I read an article in CYCLE MAGAZINE back around 1970, maybe '72 by GORDON JENNINGS, he was Cycle's feature technical editor back then. He built and tuned racing 2-stroke engines for all the factory race teams and most of the greatest motorcycle racers ever back then. He researched all his articles well, He claimed that the oil added to gasoline for 2-stroke engines lost about 25% of it's lubricity in a week. He recommended NOT using pre-mix that was over a month old. And 2 year old premix, I bet it would not even burn if you threw a lit match in a puddle of it. Running that thru your saws was about like running straight gasoline. Dad had an open 5 gallon can of gasahol years ago, We were running it in the '51 M. But I tried to set some old boards and stuff on fire with it. I could NOT get it to burn with my Bic lighter. I splashed a bit of MY good gas, 91 octane recreational gas on the old stale gasahol, flicked my Bic and we had a bon fire.

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denny k

07-24-2020 18:23:52




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 Re: ethanol gas in reply to Goose, 07-24-2020 15:49:14  
AMEN, I agree with you 100% I too have used it in everything 2cycle and 4 cycle or 40+ years also. I even ran a 3 1/2 hp. B & S lawnmower on E-85 one summer. Ran great.



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MarkB_MI

07-24-2020 16:59:06




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 Re: ethanol gas in reply to Goose, 07-24-2020 15:49:14  
> I think a lot of problems are blamed onto ethanol when they're actually caused by something else.

Right. If you leave gas in a small engine for several months, chances are you're going to have some problems. It doesn't matter that much whether the gas has ethanol in it or not. And since 99.999 percent of the gasoline sold in the US contains ethanol, naturally ethanol gets the blame.



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