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Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed!

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courtland1949

06-01-2020 17:59:22




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After one week of ownership, the gloves have torn from the cabinet and are now useless. In addition, still trying to overcome the air bound issue. Have had some luck, but not 100 percent reliable. Kinda disappointed.




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JMOR

06-05-2020 11:29:50




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seefor old timers, quality meant something well built/to last a lifetime, a Rolls Royce & such. Then in '70s or '80s, along came Deming with "Quality is Free" line of BS. Unfortunately industry bought into it. He simply re-defined quality as being the minimum that a customer demands. What are your requirements? What do you demand? Pay for the quality that meets your requirements!

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Randy-Ia

06-06-2020 11:56:38




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to JMOR, 06-05-2020 11:29:50  
I've hated Deming since I learned all about him. He was a knucklehead! The father of planned obsolescence. The person building the part is the best one to inspect the part for quality and all that BS. So far from true it's pathetic. But it's the way of the world now.

I used to be an inspector in a metal fabrication facility in charge of the production lines that made cluster bomb casings for the government. With the production quotas set there would have been no way the machinists could have inspected their own parts and kept quality even reasonable. Some tried, some just did their time for the paycheck (which was very good). I doubt it's changed much in 40 years. However, random batch inspections are iffy at best, no matter who does them.

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MarkB_MI

06-06-2020 04:10:08




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to JMOR, 06-05-2020 11:29:50  
> Then in '70s or '80s, along came Deming with "Quality is Free" line of BS. Unfortunately industry bought into it. He simply re-defined quality as being the minimum that a customer demands.

That is a gross misrepresentation of Deming and his influence on manufacturers. And the idea that HF's mediocre products somehow represent the Deming philosophy is ludicrous.



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Randy-Ia

06-08-2020 13:32:59




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to MarkB_MI, 06-06-2020 04:10:08  
I wouldn't call it gross misrepresentation. It might be stretching the truth a bit however. Many of Demings theories worked when he came up with them, they also put a lot of people out of a job. They relied heavily on personal moral competency to say when what they did was wrong.

As an inspector in the 80's I knew that, in my case anyway, the machine operators would get in my face while I was showing them the out of spec parts, arguing that they were only 0.002 out of spec. When the spec calls for a +/- of 0.002 being 0.002 out means they were actually out by 4 from what was desired by the Feds. Nobody could get them to understand that 0.002 was sloppy and anything over that was unacceptable. Most of the time the parts were out of spec on the small size due to worn cutters but occasionally there was a simple error in tool bar adjustment. It didn't help that the machines were old and sloppy either. Each operator ran three turret lathes. We could run the undersized parts through again and we had a machine dedicated to do that. But the ones that had over deep cuts...bad mojo. 6,000 parts each shift per three machines, with 5 sets of three machines running 18hours a day. Make a tub of bad parts and that's boatload of money.

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t.r.k.

06-02-2020 18:48:47




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
I have one of the free-standing cabinets.

If you are fat-fisted like me, you have to work your hands into the gloves. If you just shove them in, you invite disaster. Like the other guy said, all other blast cabinet gloves are made that way.

I did do most of the modifications that were suggested in Youtube videos. I added a cyclone in series with a 5 gallon vacuum to catch (most of) the dust.

Yes, it still pluggs sometimes, but its a siphon feed so what should I really expect? And it was my fault for trying to sanblast a powder coated toy in there. I just leave a kitchen sifter in there and when the nozzle pluggs, I dump the contents in the sifter. The bits of powder coat stay in the sifter and the glass beads fall on through.

I run on 40 psi reguated air most of the time.

For what it cost-new cabinet and the upgrades, I am well pleased and it gives me options to clean parts I never had before.

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Randy-Ia

06-02-2020 12:47:19




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
I have a HF blast cabinet.

The gloves are simply attached with large hose clamps like all blast cabinet gloves that I've used are. YMMV

It's a siphon feed system, and like any siphon feed, the material has to be dry, stay dry, and never have chunks in it. That includes bits of rust or other debris. Placing a window screen with the appropriate mesh size for the material you are blasting with below the heavy screen helps some. But they will clog fairly quickly too. Siphon feeds are just finicky that way.

The air supply has to be what the nameplate calls for too. These cabinets are 12.5cfm minimum. I have a 11.5 cfm compressor, it still works good with that. But it does clog. I just keep a regular blow gun handy so I can take the tip off and backflow air through the interior tip behind the ceramic tip until the clog is gone.

HF tools are for tinkerers. Seldom does a tool come from HF that works correctly right out of the box. In addition, many of their tools have multiple part designations. One of those is likely a well made machine while the others are of such poor quality they aren't fit to be sold.

I read somewhere that all the things sold by HF under the same designations are made by very different companies. Each model number is unique to the company that manufactured it in other words. Many times a model number will show up in the reviews sections stating that it is the best of the bunch from those experienced at returning items. It takes some ferreting out though.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. The cabinet was only about $150 after all. The seams need to be sealed with silicone instead of the cheap foam they send, but everything else is just a normal siphon feed system. Not the best no matter the name on it.

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RLP in Co.

06-02-2020 11:13:14




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
Some of their tools are good and some are not, but the great thing is, they always give your money back! Don't even bother with the $12 grinders. I had 2 and they both went bad, but I at least got $12 worth of work out of them. I now have 2 of the $29 ones and they are great and I use them a lot! I have a cutting wheel on one and a grinding wheel on the other.



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Goose

06-02-2020 08:58:53




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
Here's my theory on HF tools, and I've gotten good stuff and not so good stuff from them.

I'm in the process of building a new deck on the front of our house. For a more professional looking job, my plans involve beveling the ends of some 10' and 18' 2x8s, beveling the ends of the railing posts, cutting 4x4s to length, and the usual cutting. So I spent $159 for HF's 12" sliding miter saw. I figure it's more efficient and simpler to have the saw at hand instead of having to haul the lumber somewhere to have it sawed. Possibly cheaper, too.

So far the saw has done exactly what I wanted it to do, including beveling the ends of 18' 2x8s.

When this project is done, will I ever use the saw again? Beats me. I have no projects on the horizon that would require it. Even if I never use it again, it will still bring some money back someday when someone auctions the equipment out of my shop.

That being said, I don't begrudge or belittle someone who needs to use a saw like that on a daily basis from spending several times the money for a high dollar, brand name saw.

Just my theory, as I said above.

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Idaho Digger

06-02-2020 08:25:59




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
Take it back.

At my local HF, The head is back by the defectives area. They've always got half a dozen blast returned cabinets stacked up there, I've seen them also right in front of the compactor.....



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dr sportster

06-02-2020 06:09:30




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
But the new employee t-shirts say "Quality Tools " How could that happen ?



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Square Eye

06-02-2020 09:36:05




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to dr sportster, 06-02-2020 06:09:30  
That’s easy to answer. All tools are quality. The word “quality” needs a modifier such as poor, fair, good, or excellent in order to identify the level of quality. The shirts may mislead, but they don’t lie.



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Billy Shafer

06-02-2020 06:00:51




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
It is Harbor Freight. What did you think would happen.



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rustyfarmall

06-02-2020 05:27:08




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
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I appreciate the sarcasm. I learned to avoid Harbor Freight several years ago. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.



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Danny Prosser

06-02-2020 04:48:29




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
I bought one of there $50.00 battery chargers and it worked on the first battery and when I tried to charge another one the next weekend nothing no bells whistles dead. I took it back and the girl said yeah I don't know why those don't last very long! Do you want another one or a refund? I had that really you asked that after your statement look on my face!



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MarkB_MI

06-02-2020 04:12:55




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
A Harbor Freight tool failing catastrophically after one week? I've never heard of such a thing! This is certainly a black mark against HF's sterling reputation for quality.



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Butch(OH)

06-02-2020 04:13:39




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to MarkB_MI, 06-02-2020 04:12:55  
LOL



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tomturkey

06-01-2020 19:52:32




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
Take it back...make yourself a satisfied customer.....unless of course something in your installation contributed to its failure. gobble



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Greg1959

06-01-2020 19:22:55




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
I had the bench top model and used it for years. I'm sure you can get a replacement if it is still under warranty.



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Stephen Newell

06-01-2020 19:15:25




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
From time to time I get a lemon there too. They will take it back with no question.



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Scott 730

06-01-2020 18:25:27




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
Have you looked at any of the Youtube videos yet that show modifications that will make these cabinets work better? I posted this already in your other thread last week.



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super99

06-01-2020 18:05:55




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 Re: Harbor freight blast cabinet-failed! in reply to courtland1949, 06-01-2020 17:59:22  
Take it back!!!



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